Out of body Experiences

supermarket :) · 06-12-2002, 11:36 PM

Is there any scientific explanation for these? I never really cared about them, until I started getting pre-OBE's.

My world and life has been FILLED with more paranormal , uneasy, not to easy to be explained phenomena, and this is one of the more outstanding ones.

I will be laying in bed, usually happens more when Im sick, and my whole body starts to tingle. Then I hear a pulsing around my head, and before I know it, i cant move my body at all except sometimes I can open my eyes.

Everytime it happens, I FREAK OUT badly, and try to yell and scream, and as soon as I can snap out of it, I move my body and jump up and start yelling.

Its hard to explain to the family that I couldnt move my body for so long. I read its called sleep paralysis, but that doesnt explain the actual OBEs Ive had.

I can feel myself lifting from my body when this happens, and the pulses get stronger. It honest to god (expression, im athiest) feels like something is forcing me out of my body to show me something.

06-13-2002, 01:12 AM

I wouldn't call what i've been through an OBE but i have sort of had like this dream, i think it is(this only happens when i'm sick, weird), but i'll kinda be out of my bed and above me and i'll be in some kind of really bad nightmare but i can't even explain it. I don't think it's like what you had though.

Hedons · 06-13-2002, 11:50 AM

Supermarket,

RE: OBE's

You asked if there is any scientific explanation for these?

OBE's cause a distinct type of brain wave pattern on an EEG. Beyond that, not too much has been scientifically determined. There have been several experiments investigating them. One is currently being done at the University of Florida. <a href="http://cref.tripod.com/page1.html" target="_blank">http ://cref.tripod.com/page1.html</a> Experiments usually consist of a target image that the OBE'er is supposed to identify when they're having an OBE. The results haven't been rather inconclusive at best.

Regarding your feeling while in pre-OBE state. Does it feel like this?

It is as if your body is dissolving away in to its surrounding into a state of energy. As you sink further and further into it, the energy field becomes more and more intense. It is a wonderful feeling, almost too wonderful. As you progress, your mind overloads in this wonderfully intense feeling and you force yourself to come back to full consciousness. When you do, it physically feels like the feeling you have when you wake up from a nightmare, except you know there was nothing inherently scary about the experience. The only fear associated with it is your own fear of what lies further into this altered state of consciousness. You want to find out more about what lies ahead, but it almost feels as if you might be unable to come back.

Is it like that?

This is how I describe my experience when I get into a deep meditation state. I experienced this before I even knew what an OBE was. Getting to this point is a distinct step in consciousness. I have yet to get past this next step in consciousness. I keep snapping myself out of it. The intensity is too much. But I keep getting a little further each time.

I remain sceptical that what I am experiencing is a pre-OBE. It could just as easily be an introspective aspect of consciousness. I'll keep trying to find out though.

-Hedons

supermarket :) · 06-13-2002, 10:40 PM

[quote]Originally posted by hedons:
Supermarke t,

RE: OBE's

You asked if there is any scientific explanation for these?

OBE's cause a distinct type of brain wave pattern on an EEG. Beyond that, not too much has been scientifically determined. There have been several experiments investigating them. One is currently being done at the University of Florida. <a href="http://cref.tripod.com/page1.html" target="_blank">http ://cref.tripod.com/page1.html</a> Experiments usually consist of a target image that the OBE'er is supposed to identify when they're having an OBE. The results haven't been rather inconclusive at best.

Regarding your feeling while in pre-OBE state. Does it feel like this?

It is as if your body is dissolving away in to its surrounding into a state of energy. As you sink further and further into it, the energy field becomes more and more intense. It is a wonderful feeling, almost too wonderful. As you progress, your mind overloads in this wonderfully intense feeling and you force yourself to come back to full consciousness. When you do, it physically feels like the feeling you have when you wake up from a nightmare, except you know there was nothing inherently scary about the experience. The only fear associated with it is your own fear of what lies further into this altered state of consciousness. You want to find out more about what lies ahead, but it almost feels as if you might be unable to come back.

Is it like that?

This is how I describe my experience when I get into a deep meditation state. I experienced this before I even knew what an OBE was. Getting to this point is a distinct step in consciousness. I have yet to get past this next step in consciousness. I keep snapping myself out of it. The intensity is too much. But I keep getting a little further each time.

I remain sceptical that what I am experiencing is a pre-OBE. It could just as easily be an introspective aspect of consciousness. I'll keep trying to find out though.

-Hedons<hr></blockquote>

hedons, you hit the nail on the head! never in my life, after communicating with others, reading books on OBE's and both meditation, and viewing 100s of websites, has ANYONE ever described the feeling I get as accurately as you!

That was perfect. The feeling is great, until it becomes a major pulsing, and I become scared, Im not sure why, I guess at the feeling of not being in control of my own body.

But yes, that is 100% what I get.

Hedons · 06-18-2002, 03:15 PM

On Yahoo Groups there is a club called OBE-L.

Check it out if you're interested in learning more about OBE.

-Hedons

Hedons · 06-18-2002, 04:07 PM

Supermarket,
Here is a FAQ I found RE OBEs.

<a href="http://www.mach1audio.com/out-of-body/techniques/qa.htm#i" target="_blank">http ://www.mach1audio.com/out-of-body/techniques/qa.htm#i</a>

Below is one of the questions I found to be of interest. I'll have to try it out.

-Hedons

"Every time I feel I'm about to separate from my body, a wave of intense fear overwhelms me. How can I overcome this?"

This wave of fear is a common, instinctual response to a new experience. One of the best ways to overcome it is to immediately begin repeating a safety affirmation such as "I'm safe and secure," "I'm protected," or "I'm safe and calm." Any brief, positive statement that helps you relax and feel secure will be effective. As you repeat your affirmation, begin to direct your attention away from your body. This can easily be achieved by thinking about another area in your home or by saying to yourself, "I float away from my body." After a couple of successful experiences, your fear will diminish and eventually disappear.

06-26-2002, 04:54 AM

Are these happening when you're in an awake state?

I've had three dreams during sleep in which I felt myself go through death... all of them had to do with an explosion, in the first one I was in some sort of suicide cult that exploded the building we were in...I felt everything around me blacken, and like a huge weight was pressing on my chest and I couldn't breathe...but just as I thought it was too much, I just seemed to sink deeper into nothing...not sink, but more like everything around me melted away and I was melting deeper into this nothingness... and I just woke up really suddenly, and I remember the weird feeling I had as I realized that I didn't really die. It took me a few moments to figure out that it was just a dream.

The other two dreams were of an atomic bomb, or a meteor, or some kind of huge total obliteration explosion. In the first dream, I was outdoors, and saw the bomb falling...in the second I was in a building with big windows and saw the bomb through the windows. In both dreams I watched it fall to the earth, explode in an amazing mushroom cloud, and then I would wake suddenly as fire rushed toward me, just before I was consumed by flames from the bomb.
In both those dreams, I had the same feeling when I woke up, like, "woah, I seriously thought I was dead."

I don't know...these dreams creep me out sometimes, especially since they have this reoccuring theme of an explosion

06-26-2002, 05:54 AM

yea, i remember when i went through something JUST like you described. It was scary as hell, I thought a ghost or something was trying to take over my body to tell you the truth or something like that - im getting chills just thinking about it, or maybe its the air conidtioner blowing on me.. but anyway.. yes, i think i did some research and found that it might be sleep paralysis... it was fucking insane though. I also heard these spraying sounds and shit - wow, i dont want that shit to happen to me again. freaky stuff. i flipped that day.

supermarket :) · 06-26-2002, 03:23 PM

[quote]Originally posted by Danielle:
yea, i remember when i went through something JUST like you described. It was scary as hell, I thought a ghost or something was trying to take over my body to tell you the truth or something like that - im getting chills just thinking about it, or maybe its the air conidtioner blowing on me.. but anyway.. yes, i think i did some research and found that it might be sleep paralysis... it was fucking insane though. I also heard these spraying sounds and shit - wow, i dont want that shit to happen to me again. freaky stuff. i flipped that day.<hr></blockquote>

yea, except i used to get them couple times a week. now i havent gotten one in months

Hedons · 06-26-2002, 04:11 PM

It is possible that OBE's are merely self induced hallucinations.

Just food for thought.

-Hedons

06-27-2002, 07:44 PM

Oddly enough, after reading this post and such and responding... I just experienced sleep paralysis for the second time ever. Just thought I'd share.

supermarket :) · 06-27-2002, 09:34 PM

[quote]Originally posted by hedons:
It is possible that OBE's are merely self induced hallucinations.

Just food for thought.

-Hedons<hr></blockquote>

Id hate to answer a rhetoric question, but truthfully, no, they arent a self induced hallucination because almost everyone who has them (referring to the people who deliberately have them) experience the sounds (yes I know auditory hallucinations are possible), and also experience the feeling throughout their body.

Thinking more about your post, I think you may have been regarding the ACTUAL OBE only, not the other part of the experience. Well then yes, thats very possible, but I still dont understand how some people claim to see things they have never seen before? Like hidden places, etc.

06-12-2002, 11:36 PM	#1 (permalink)
supermarket :) -2012- Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Scaryetta, GA Posts: 7,619 Thanks: 0 Thanked 5 Times in 2 Posts	Out of body Experiences Is there any scientific explanation for these? I never really cared about them, until I started getting pre-OBE's. My world and life has been FILLED with more paranormal , uneasy, not to easy to be explained phenomena, and this is one of the more outstanding ones. I will be laying in bed, usually happens more when Im sick, and my whole body starts to tingle. Then I hear a pulsing around my head, and before I know it, i cant move my body at all except sometimes I can open my eyes. Everytime it happens, I FREAK OUT badly, and try to yell and scream, and as soon as I can snap out of it, I move my body and jump up and start yelling. Its hard to explain to the family that I couldnt move my body for so long. I read its called sleep paralysis, but that doesnt explain the actual OBEs Ive had. I can feel myself lifting from my body when this happens, and the pulses get stronger. It honest to god (expression, im athiest) feels like something is forcing me out of my body to show me something.

06-13-2002, 11:50 AM	#3 (permalink)
Hedons Ribbed for her pleasure! Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Chicago Burbs. Delta(x) times Delta(p) is greater than or equal to h-bar over two. Posts: 4,645 Thanks: 23 Thanked 189 Times in 101 Posts	Supermarket, RE: OBE's You asked if there is any scientific explanation for these? OBE's cause a distinct type of brain wave pattern on an EEG. Beyond that, not too much has been scientifically determined. There have been several experiments investigating them. One is currently being done at the University of Florida. <a href="http://cref.tripod.com/page1.html" target="_blank">http ://cref.tripod.com/page1.html</a> Experiments usually consist of a target image that the OBE'er is supposed to identify when they're having an OBE. The results haven't been rather inconclusive at best. Regarding your feeling while in pre-OBE state. Does it feel like this? It is as if your body is dissolving away in to its surrounding into a state of energy. As you sink further and further into it, the energy field becomes more and more intense. It is a wonderful feeling, almost too wonderful. As you progress, your mind overloads in this wonderfully intense feeling and you force yourself to come back to full consciousness. When you do, it physically feels like the feeling you have when you wake up from a nightmare, except you know there was nothing inherently scary about the experience. The only fear associated with it is your own fear of what lies further into this altered state of consciousness. You want to find out more about what lies ahead, but it almost feels as if you might be unable to come back. Is it like that? This is how I describe my experience when I get into a deep meditation state. I experienced this before I even knew what an OBE was. Getting to this point is a distinct step in consciousness. I have yet to get past this next step in consciousness. I keep snapping myself out of it. The intensity is too much. But I keep getting a little further each time. I remain sceptical that what I am experiencing is a pre-OBE. It could just as easily be an introspective aspect of consciousness. I'll keep trying to find out though. -Hedons __________________ New and improved! Now with flushable applicator.

06-13-2002, 10:40 PM	#4 (permalink)
supermarket :) -2012- Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Scaryetta, GA Posts: 7,619 Thanks: 0 Thanked 5 Times in 2 Posts	[quote]Originally posted by hedons: <strong>Supermarke t, RE: OBE's You asked if there is any scientific explanation for these? OBE's cause a distinct type of brain wave pattern on an EEG. Beyond that, not too much has been scientifically determined. There have been several experiments investigating them. One is currently being done at the University of Florida. <a href="http://cref.tripod.com/page1.html" target="_blank">http ://cref.tripod.com/page1.html</a> Experiments usually consist of a target image that the OBE'er is supposed to identify when they're having an OBE. The results haven't been rather inconclusive at best. Regarding your feeling while in pre-OBE state. Does it feel like this? It is as if your body is dissolving away in to its surrounding into a state of energy. As you sink further and further into it, the energy field becomes more and more intense. It is a wonderful feeling, almost too wonderful. As you progress, your mind overloads in this wonderfully intense feeling and you force yourself to come back to full consciousness. When you do, it physically feels like the feeling you have when you wake up from a nightmare, except you know there was nothing inherently scary about the experience. The only fear associated with it is your own fear of what lies further into this altered state of consciousness. You want to find out more about what lies ahead, but it almost feels as if you might be unable to come back. Is it like that? This is how I describe my experience when I get into a deep meditation state. I experienced this before I even knew what an OBE was. Getting to this point is a distinct step in consciousness. I have yet to get past this next step in consciousness. I keep snapping myself out of it. The intensity is too much. But I keep getting a little further each time. I remain sceptical that what I am experiencing is a pre-OBE. It could just as easily be an introspective aspect of consciousness. I'll keep trying to find out though. -Hedons</strong><hr></blockquote> hedons, you hit the nail on the head! never in my life, after communicating with others, reading books on OBE's and both meditation, and viewing 100s of websites, has ANYONE ever described the feeling I get as accurately as you! That was perfect. The feeling is great, until it becomes a major pulsing, and I become scared, Im not sure why, I guess at the feeling of not being in control of my own body. But yes, that is 100% what I get.

06-18-2002, 03:15 PM	#5 (permalink)
Hedons Ribbed for her pleasure! Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Chicago Burbs. Delta(x) times Delta(p) is greater than or equal to h-bar over two. Posts: 4,645 Thanks: 23 Thanked 189 Times in 101 Posts	On Yahoo Groups there is a club called OBE-L. Check it out if you're interested in learning more about OBE. -Hedons __________________ New and improved! Now with flushable applicator.

06-18-2002, 04:07 PM	#6 (permalink)
Hedons Ribbed for her pleasure! Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Chicago Burbs. Delta(x) times Delta(p) is greater than or equal to h-bar over two. Posts: 4,645 Thanks: 23 Thanked 189 Times in 101 Posts	Supermarket, Here is a FAQ I found RE OBEs. <a href="http://www.mach1audio.com/out-of-body/techniques/qa.htm#i" target="_blank">http ://www.mach1audio.com/out-of-body/techniques/qa.htm#i</a> Below is one of the questions I found to be of interest. I'll have to try it out. -Hedons "Every time I feel I'm about to separate from my body, a wave of intense fear overwhelms me. How can I overcome this?" This wave of fear is a common, instinctual response to a new experience. One of the best ways to overcome it is to immediately begin repeating a safety affirmation such as "I'm safe and secure," "I'm protected," or "I'm safe and calm." Any brief, positive statement that helps you relax and feel secure will be effective. As you repeat your affirmation, begin to direct your attention away from your body. This can easily be achieved by thinking about another area in your home or by saying to yourself, "I float away from my body." After a couple of successful experiences, your fear will diminish and eventually disappear. __________________ New and improved! Now with flushable applicator.

06-13-2002, 01:12 AM	#2 (permalink)
som_ting_wong420 Guest Posts: n/a	I wouldn't call what i've been through an OBE but i have sort of had like this dream, i think it is(this only happens when i'm sick, weird), but i'll kinda be out of my bed and above me and i'll be in some kind of really bad nightmare but i can't even explain it. I don't think it's like what you had though.

06-26-2002, 04:54 AM	#7 (permalink)
unicorn Guest Posts: n/a	Are these happening when you're in an awake state? I've had three dreams during sleep in which I felt myself go through death... all of them had to do with an explosion, in the first one I was in some sort of suicide cult that exploded the building we were in...I felt everything around me blacken, and like a huge weight was pressing on my chest and I couldn't breathe...but just as I thought it was too much, I just seemed to sink deeper into nothing...not sink, but more like everything around me melted away and I was melting deeper into this nothingness... and I just woke up really suddenly, and I remember the weird feeling I had as I realized that I didn't really die. It took me a few moments to figure out that it was just a dream. The other two dreams were of an atomic bomb, or a meteor, or some kind of huge total obliteration explosion. In the first dream, I was outdoors, and saw the bomb falling...in the second I was in a building with big windows and saw the bomb through the windows. In both dreams I watched it fall to the earth, explode in an amazing mushroom cloud, and then I would wake suddenly as fire rushed toward me, just before I was consumed by flames from the bomb. In both those dreams, I had the same feeling when I woke up, like, "woah, I seriously thought I was dead." I don't know...these dreams creep me out sometimes, especially since they have this reoccuring theme of an explosion

06-26-2002, 05:54 AM	#8 (permalink)
DanielleLgh Guest Posts: n/a	yea, i remember when i went through something JUST like you described. It was scary as hell, I thought a ghost or something was trying to take over my body to tell you the truth or something like that - im getting chills just thinking about it, or maybe its the air conidtioner blowing on me.. but anyway.. yes, i think i did some research and found that it might be sleep paralysis... it was fucking insane though. I also heard these spraying sounds and shit - wow, i dont want that shit to happen to me again. freaky stuff. i flipped that day.

06-26-2002, 03:23 PM	#9 (permalink)
supermarket :) -2012- Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Scaryetta, GA Posts: 7,619 Thanks: 0 Thanked 5 Times in 2 Posts	[quote]Originally posted by Danielle: <strong>yea, i remember when i went through something JUST like you described. It was scary as hell, I thought a ghost or something was trying to take over my body to tell you the truth or something like that - im getting chills just thinking about it, or maybe its the air conidtioner blowing on me.. but anyway.. yes, i think i did some research and found that it might be sleep paralysis... it was fucking insane though. I also heard these spraying sounds and shit - wow, i dont want that shit to happen to me again. freaky stuff. i flipped that day.</strong><hr></blockquote> yea, except i used to get them couple times a week. now i havent gotten one in months

06-26-2002, 04:11 PM	#10 (permalink)
Hedons Ribbed for her pleasure! Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Chicago Burbs. Delta(x) times Delta(p) is greater than or equal to h-bar over two. Posts: 4,645 Thanks: 23 Thanked 189 Times in 101 Posts	It is possible that OBE's are merely self induced hallucinations. Just food for thought. -Hedons __________________ New and improved! Now with flushable applicator.

06-27-2002, 07:44 PM	#11 (permalink)
DanielleLgh Guest Posts: n/a	Oddly enough, after reading this post and such and responding... I just experienced sleep paralysis for the second time ever. Just thought I'd share.

06-27-2002, 09:34 PM	#12 (permalink)
supermarket :) -2012- Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Scaryetta, GA Posts: 7,619 Thanks: 0 Thanked 5 Times in 2 Posts	[quote]Originally posted by hedons: <strong>It is possible that OBE's are merely self induced hallucinations. Just food for thought. -Hedons</strong><hr></blockquote> Id hate to answer a rhetoric question, but truthfully, no, they arent a self induced hallucination because almost everyone who has them (referring to the people who deliberately have them) experience the sounds (yes I know auditory hallucinations are possible), and also experience the feeling throughout their body. Thinking more about your post, I think you may have been regarding the ACTUAL OBE only, not the other part of the experience. Well then yes, thats very possible, but I still dont understand how some people claim to see things they have never seen before? Like hidden places, etc.

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