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I fail to see why so many people associate Jesus with christianity. Or the bible with jesus.

I don't believe it's ever been written or told that jesus preached christianity.

In my eyes, he preached about energy (god) and how our actions effect our relationship with this god (energy). In my eyes, he teached the same principles and views as Buddha, just in a different form. This is how I see it...

When I explain that to people, they always say "thats not what christianity was about or believes in". That may be true, but Jesus Christ wasnt a christian.

Christianity is a religion based on a book, written by people's interpretation of what Jesus had to say. Nothing more....

The bible is nothing more than people's writings, not Jesus's.


I think what we think Jesus preached, and what he actually preached, may be very different. I dont believe the bible has much to do with him at all, and I certainly think it's been changed or altered the past few years.

What do you guys think

Dissident

<a href="http://www.yahooka.com/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=g et_topic&f=9&t=00079 5&p=" target="_blank">The Hidden History of Jesus</a>

sput·nik

i think you should re-read the bible and make note of every declarative statement related to human behavior, and then tell me again how the words of christianity are based on having a relationship with the energy of the world.

the laws of physics and how they govern our social lives are vastly different than doctrines and mandates on social interaction.

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[quote]Originally posted by sput·nik:
<strong>i think you should re-read the bible and make note of every declarative statement related to human behavior, and then tell me again how the words of christianity are based on having a relationship with the energy of the world.

the laws of physics and how they govern our social lives are vastly different than doctrines and mandates on social interaction.</strong><hr></blockquote>

again, thanks for proving my topic. I never mentioned energy being related to christianity, the only thing I said about christianity is that its teachings are based upon a man and a bible.


I said JESUS probably preached about energy, but called it god.

Dissident

im a fan of the Old Testament myself

the 'eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth' era

the era of IAM

good shit

George W. Bush

Why do people associate Buddhism with Buddha?

Buddha wasn't a Buddhist.

penguin

jesus was trying to get people back together with the god of their ancestors, things got a little misinterpreted when he died and christianity was born, then things got even more off track

jesus got a lot of his sermons and stuff from india, but was trying to revive the old hebrew temple

evad the prophet

Super, you're high!
If you're going to make your point using funny semantic interpretations of the words, then i think you gotta be careful about what words you choose in your explaination. [quote]"In my eyes, he teached the same principles..." <hr></blockquote>
"he teached" sounds funny to me. Why not "he taught" or even funnier, "he done teached"?
I'm not trying to be a grammar bitch, it just seemed funny to me, but it doesnt have any effect on the meaning.

This i don't understand: [quote] "Jesus Christ wasnt a christian."<hr></blockquote>
Okay, that's true, but does it somehow negate Christianity? Was Marx a marxist or was Jacob a jacobite? Was Freud freudian? Ok, i see GWB has already covered this.

All this is just to say that i realize i may be way off on my interpretation of what you're saying, but it seems to me that your overall meaning is that christianity has nothing to do with Christ, what's in the bible isn't what Jesus really said, and somehow you know what Christ really teached.
Have you found some gold tablets or something?

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[quote]Originally posted by penguin:
<strong>jesus was trying to get people back together with the god of their ancestors . . . trying to revive the old hebrew temple</strong><hr></blockquote>

I would agree that your susinct description is accurate.

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ted

[quote]Originally posted by (-Market-):
<strong>
I think what we think Jesus preached, and what he actually preached, may be very different. I dont believe the bible has much to do with him at all, and I certainly think it's been changed or altered the past few years. What do you guys think</strong><hr></blockquote>

There is much logic to your view. Certainly Christianity has taken, and in its most vehement followers still takes, a very judgemental view of people, and certainly it has and does do all it can to identify and war against evil. Christ said 'resist not evil' and 'judge not lest ye be judged.' This is a message that many Christians repeat regularly; "We are called by Christ to withhold judgement, but . . ." and then you get the buckets and barrels of prejudice and invective.

There are many reasons to think Jesus was not trying to start a new religion but revive a moribund one, and academics have written libraries full of speculation about the years wandering in the desert, when he might well have gone to India or beyond. Zample, some of the parables, and possibly even the idea of teaching by parable, came from the early Buddhists. That parable I wrote earlier about, the Sower of Seeds, is one such Buddhist teaching.
But these possibilities necessarily assume Jesus's non-Godhood; if he really was He, then He knew what He was doing. Me, I don't buy it.

Either way, your point is well taken. The modern Christian faith, to the degree it is represented by the Fundamentalists (who have had a huge effect on even the more sedate Protestant faith) and the Catholics have left very little of Christ in their Christianity. Even their belief that Christ told them that every word in the Bible is absolutely true is not in the Bible; all Jesus said was that every word in the book would exist to the end of time, which they interpret to mean that nothing in the Bible should be interpreted, that all meaning is obvious. Which is ludicrous.

I wish Jesus had written something. It's all so second-hand; it is possible that Mathew and Mark may have at least heard him preach, but it's unlikely; nobody knows for sure, but few honest researchers believe that any of the Gospels were written by observers of the events written about. I wish he'd said why one shouldn't resist evil; I have my own ideas, but I don't know what he meant. It seems likely to me he said a bunch of stuff that was really wise and smart, but that the people who told his stories to the people who wrote them didn't understand much of it, and it got messed up. Just as likely, though; there never was a true Jesus (and by the way, his name wasn't 'Jesus' - that's not a Jewish name, it's aparently the best the Greeks could make of 'Joshua') but instead a group of religious zealots at a time when the Jews were expecting (as they still are) a Prophet (and it was also the beginning of the Age of Pisces to astrologers, which meant to almost all learned men of the time) and the result of all this was that many movements of many Christs merged to become one Christ movement, and his 'teachings' a distillation of many teachers. An interesting idea, I've always thought; such a process would logically winnow out unworkable ideas ("God says not to bear children!") and favor the concepts that most strengthened those followers ("Love the Lord Thy God with all your heart and soul and mind, and love your neighbor as yourself.")

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supermarket :)

thanks to the few who understood what i was getting at..

and thanks to those who didnt quite agree or understand my perspective,


anyway, GWB I know what you are saying, but that isnt entirely accurate. Buddha still taught a bunch of people exactly what is being taught today under buddhism - so although the name might not have existed (it actually might have) buddhism WAS around and WAS being taught by buddha directly. Christianity is different as it's mainly based on a book about jesus. I dont think there is much beyond the bible that christianity believes in, maybe I'm just ignorant on christianity to that extent, although I think my family is christian.


But hey, I think some things in buddhism are misunderstood too, from what buddha originally taught.

oliver.sawtell

[quote]Originally posted by (-Market-):
<strong>But hey, I think some things in buddhism are misunderstood too, from what buddha originally taught.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Agree with this!!

Many "Buddist" nations try to forget the 8-fold-path and the wheel. And adopt more "western" approaches to a religous practice. Sadly Buddism is misunderstood, in many ways the Hippies and the 60's movement in general did more damage than good.

A good for instance is in ritual, buddha did not preach ritual in any shape or form. Indeed he sort and became a "buddha"; purely through meditation alone.

Personnally I've prefered to describe buddism (to those who ask) as a philosophy and not a religon. Since the basic precepts of buddism, are the quite the opposite of most Religions (No God, No Heaven, No Hell, No Eternal damnation, No Everlasting Life).

GirlsHateMe_

To be a Christian means to be "Christ like" as in "Jesus Christ".

So they are accociated you dumb peices of shit, man if all of you would take your heads out of your asses for two seconds and actually take the time to understand the bible, maybe you wouldnt ask dumbshit questions that have no validity.

Dr. Greenthumb

maybe if you took the time to 'understand' the bible, you would see that everyone understands it in a different way...

DrChronic

"maybe if you took a step back to look at the big picture you would realise that all religions are just part of a conspiracy to keep the majority of there country in order, think about it, why do you think that each religion is appealing to its relevant culture (ok perhaps because there culture is based around the religion but .... shurrup) neway im not saying its true but it could be, stranger things have happened

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My thoughts on this matter are that Jesus wasn't Christian and Buddha wasn't a Buddhist.

I couldn't believe Christianity at all until I became a Buddhist. I think if you really compare what Jesus and Buddha REALLY taught, it's almost exactly the same.

The scriptures and Bible was written by MEN.. full of contradictions and dogmas of the church of that time. Buddhists have learnt how to interpret scriptures and view them skeptically.. Buddha even taught people NOT to just believe in scripture passed from generation to generation.

So what am I? I practice the type of meditation Buddha taught (vispanna <a href="http://www.dhamma.org).." target="_blank">www. dhamma.org)..</a> I believe in what Jesus said.. I follow the 4 noble truths and the 8 fold path? what am I?

I think as soon as you attach a label to your beliefs you are, in a way, restricting them.

Everyone has their own spiritual, individual karmic path. I feel that if more people treated it
as -their own- way, they'd be a lot happier and more spiritual.

soniCVoid

Should we kill?
Ex. 20:13 Thou shalt not commit murder.
Ex. 32:27 Thus saith the Lord God of Israel, put every man his sword by his
side...and slay every man his brother...companion. .neighbor.(See also 1 Sam.
6:19; 15:2,3; Num. 15:36)

Ex 20:5 "...for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God..." (see also Ex
34:14, Deut 4:24, Josh 24:19, and Nah 1:2)
Gal 5:19-20 "Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which
are...jealousy..." (See also 2 Cor 12:20)

Should we tell lies?
Ex. 20:16 Thou shalt not bear false witness.(Prov. 12:22; Rev. 21:8)
1 Kings 22:23 The Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy
prophets, and the Lord hath spoken evil concerning thee. (II Thess. 2:11;
Josh. 2:4-6 with James 2:25)

Should we steal?
Ex. 20:15 Thou shalt not steal. (Lev. 19:13)
Ex. 3:22. And ye shall spoil the Egyptians. (Ex. 12:35-36; Luke 19:29-33)

Shall we keep the Sabbath?
Ex. 20:8 Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy. (Ex. 31:15; Num. 15:32,36)
Is. 1:13 The new moons and the Sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot
away with; it is iniquity. (John 5:16; Matt. 12:1-5)

Shall we make Graven images?
Ex. 20:4. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of
anything that is in heaven...earth...wat er. (Lev. 26:1)
EX. 25:18 And thou shalt make two cherubims of gold, of beaten work shalt
thou make them.

Are we "saved" through works?
Eph. 2:8,9 For by grace are ye saved through faith...not of works. (Rom.
3:20, 28; Gal. 2:16)
James 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by
faith only.(Matt. 19:16-21)

Should good works be seen?
Matt. 5:16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good
works. (I Peter 2:12)
Matt. 6:1-4 Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of
them...that thine alms may be in secret. (Matt. 23:5)

Should we own slaves?
Lev. 25:45-46 Moreover of the children of the strangers that do sojourn
among you, of them shall ye buy...and they shall be your posession...they
shall be your bondmen forever. (Gen. 9:25; Ex. 21:2,7; Joel 3:8; Luke 12:47;
Col. 3:22)
Is. 58:6 Undo the heavy burdens...break every yoke. (Matt. 23:10)

Does God change his mind?
Mal. 3:6. For I am the Lord; I change not. Num. 23:19 God is not a man, that
he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent. (Ezek. 24:14;
James 1:17)
Ex. 32:14. And the Lord repented of the evil which he had thought to do unto
his people. (Gen. 6:6; Jonah 3:10; Sam. 2:30-31; II Kings 20:1-6; Num. 16:20-35)

Are we punished for our parent's sins?
Ex. 20:5 For I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of
the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generations. (Ex. 34:7)
Ezek. 18:20 The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father.

Is God good or evil?
Psa. 145:9. The Lord is good to all. (Deut. 32:4; James 1:13)
Is. 45:7 I make peace and create evil. I the Lord do all these things. (Lam
3:38; Jer. 18:11; Ezek. 20:25)

Is God Peaceable?
John 14:27 Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you. (Luke 2:14;
Acts 10:36)
Matt. 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth, I came not to
send peace, but a sword. (Matt. 10:35-37; Luke 22:36)

Was Jesus trustworthy?
John 8:14 Though I bear record of myself, yet my record is true.
John 5:31 If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.

Shall we call people names?
Matt. 5:22 Whosoever shall say Thou fool, shall be in danger of hellfire.
Matt. 23:17 (Jesus said) Ye fools and blind.

Has anyone seen God?
John 1:18 No man hath seen God at anytime. (Ex 33:20; Tim. 6:16; John 6:46;
I John 4:12)
Gen. 32:30 For I have seen god face to face. (Ex. 33:11, 23; Is. 6:1; Job 42:5)

How many gods are there?
Deut. 6:4 The Lord or God is one Lord.
Gen. 1:26 And God said, let us make man in our image.(Gen. 3:22; I John 5:7)

Are we all sinners?
Rom. 3:23 For all have sinned. (Rom. 3:10; Psa.14;3)
Job 1:1 There was a man... whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and
upright. (Gen. 7:1; Luke 1:5-6)

When was Jesus crucified?
Mark 15:22 and it was the third hour, and they crucified him.
John 19:14-15 And about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold
your King! But they cried out...crucify him!"

Shall we obey the law?
I Peter 2:13 Submit yourself to every ordinance of man.
Acts 5:29 We ought to obey God rather than men.

sput·nik

nice quotes sonicvoid.

sorry i misunderstood your original post super.. to be honest, i dont know the history of everything so my opinion would be mostly out of my ass. i believe what i said, but obviously it doesn't refer to jesus, specifically.

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[quote]Originally posted by DrChronic:
<strong>"maybe if you took a step back to look at the big picture you would realise that all religions are just part of a conspiracy to keep the majority of there country in order, think about it, why do you think that each religion is appealing to its relevant culture (ok perhaps because there culture is based around the religion but .... shurrup) neway im not saying its true but it could be, stranger things have happened</strong><hr></blockquote>

I totally agree. Religions are there just to keep the masses in line; to destroy any true belief and make people conform to the beliefs that their religion forces upon them.

At the end of the day, religions aren't the worst thing in the world because they can actually do a lot of good - e.g. people who would otherwise kill other people if they hadn't found religion.
But religions can and do turn people into closed-minded ingnorants who won't look at something from a different perspective.

And don't get me started on holy war...

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-civil-disobedient-

[quote]...as soon as you attach a label to your beliefs you are, in a way, restricting them.[/QB]<hr></blockquote>

Too right. What is the point in sticking to a set of rules and beliefs?

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"Intelligence is not set in concrete. It is flowing and moving. It is not constant but free. Those who are intelligent are willing to flow and change with better ideas taken in and used." - Barbar Luck
"As long as people think that animals don't feel, they have to feel that people don't think" - Antimaniax
"One has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws" - Martin Luther King