Bible Code: End of Days Begun? - Page 2

Ego Tripping · 10-03-2004, 06:34 PM

There will be people around. Populations will be reduced to astonishing numbers, but we will surive and adapt as well.

Humans only learn from mistakes. Seatbelts were only used in cars after too many people died without them. Perhaps this 1000 years of peace is accurate and people will finally begin to see what they did wrong.

I feel we're approaching a new paradigm of thinking. We are still a very new species, we're still discovering ourselves.

Paranoid Android · 10-03-2004, 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ego Tripping

There will be people around. Populations will be reduced to astonishing numbers, but we will surive and adapt as well.

Humans only learn from mistakes. Seatbelts were only used in cars after too many people died without them. Perhaps this 1000 years of peace is accurate and people will finally begin to see what they did wrong.

I feel we're approaching a new paradigm of thinking. We are still a very new species, we're still discovering ourselves.

You're thinking too optimistic Ego..

But seriously, Im not that optimistic with the human race, sure we're smart, or at least we think we are. But we're also ignorant.

"People are aware, but just not that bothered." - Thom Yorke from Radiohead

liljen420247365 · 10-03-2004, 06:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ego Tripping

There will be people around. Populations will be reduced to astonishing numbers, but we will surive and adapt as well.

Humans only learn from mistakes. Seatbelts were only used in cars after too many people died without them. Perhaps this 1000 years of peace is accurate and people will finally begin to see what they did wrong.

I feel we're approaching a new paradigm of thinking. We are still a very new species, we're still discovering ourselves.

We will adapt to anything that is brought upon us. We always have.

**Kompressor** · 10-03-2004, 06:41 PM

All things lead back to science...

Who's science are you talking about?

deadhead94 · 10-03-2004, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Kompressor

All things lead back to science...

Who's science are you talking about?

The concrete unchanging sciences.....like math....

**Kompressor** · 10-03-2004, 06:44 PM

Theoretically, those same sciences are the ones embedded in the Bible Code.

So, who put the math in?

[edit: Er, I should say who did the math?]

Ego Tripping · 10-03-2004, 06:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MarijuanaDreams

You're thinking too optimistic Ego..

But seriously, Im not that optimistic with the human race, sure we're smart, or at least we think we are. But we're also ignorant.

"People are aware, but just not that bothered." - Thom Yorke from Radiohead

We will be bothered. We'll all be bothered in some way after the next 'great war' since we'll leave the Earth in such a condition, every single soul on the planet will feel it's wrath.

I think only as the bombs start dropping will we finally say "What have we done?"

Maybe this is the radical enlightenment that the Mayans and others have predicted...Maybe this great light must be preceded by great darkness...all cycles seem to happen that way.

May God have mercy on our souls.

espiex · 10-03-2004, 10:21 PM

Haha, bible code. Sounds made up to me, and I read his first book.

http://www.straightdope.com/mailbag/mbiblecode.html

That deals with it pretty well, and there are even more thorough arguments about the bible code linked there.

The thing is, it works on any passage of text. You can find vaguely connected words and phrases in the letters of any text if you try hard enough.

Ego Tripping · 10-03-2004, 11:06 PM

I think the main point is many different texts are all pointing to about the same point in time.

SmokeSomeDoja · 10-03-2004, 11:15 PM

consciousness man, consciousness.

CroniCorrado · 10-04-2004, 12:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ego Tripping

We will be bothered. We'll all be bothered in some way after the next 'great war' since we'll leave the Earth in such a condition, every single soul on the planet will feel it's wrath.

I think only as the bombs start dropping will we finally say "What have we done?"

Maybe this is the radical enlightenment that the Mayans and others have predicted...Maybe this great light must be preceded by great darkness...all cycles seem to happen that way.

May God have mercy on our souls.

Tuff way of looking at things

Ego Tripping · 10-04-2004, 03:13 AM

We have the power to change. I just don't see it happening without some kind of tragedy first. It's been 60 years, something has to go down sometime.

**~~PsyOpKing~~** · 10-04-2004, 03:45 AM

(Espiex)
You obviously haven’t read any other books on the bible code. The site that you posted is worthless. IT assigns values to each letter being looked for. It is using random searches.

And your post (kompressor) is factually incorrect in the first place. You are writing of 2012, where the bible
code states its 2006. YOU ARE QUOTING WHAT DROSNIN SAYS. He is neither the person responsible for the writing of the code nor the decoding of it. Einstein and Edison were some of the first to figure out its existence, and it was Eliyahu Rips who fully decoded it.

You have not watched the discovery channel documentaries on it. YOU HAVE NOT watched the pentagon and the NSA confirm that the codes are real. ANY site that says they are not has an agenda, as do the sites that say it is real. But the FACT is it is real.

You won’t find anything in Moby Dick or any other text using the same EXACT method used to search the bible code. Try it. Get a program called Bible Keys then search the bible with it(no not the king James ).The old testament.. Then go out and write a program or get someone to write it for you and use the same formula that the bible code uses. YOU WONT FIND ANYTHING, except for a few short coincidental words. Nothing that clicks together.

The bible code works like this. Say you search the word BUSH
It will take the B and start at one space skips. It goes through the 300, 000 and marks every place that there is a B. Then it takes the U and does the same. When it finds a spot that there is U with a 1 space skip between the B, it drops all the rest and continues. Then the S, the program goes trough the letters and finds the places that the S fits, drops the rest of the B(skip) U finds. Finally it searches for the H, when it finds a B(SKIP)U(SKIP)S that has an H it drops the rest.
If it doesn’t find anything at a 1 skip interval it goes onto 2, and so on.

This is possible with Moby Dick and Art of War....but that’s where all the similarities end.
If you were to search for ARAFAT or SHARON, the Old Testament is the only text that will have encoded those names on the same skip interval as BUSH, along with end of times, bomb atom...ALL ON THE SAME SKIP INTERVAL.

(ESPIEX)
Your site is a flaming piece of uselessness for another reason. The person who wrote it DID NOT do any research or study. He didn’t even UNDERSTAND how the code works. On his site he writes “With me so far? Now, we play "word find." We look vertically, horizontally, diagonally, slantwise, forward, or backwards to see what we find in the way of words. Notice, right away, the letters "HST" and almost adjacent the letters HM (on the diagonal). Hmmm. Now, numerically by our system, HM would be 48, right? And HST is clearly Harry S Truman, right? And so we have a prediction that Harry Truman won the 1948 election! Astounding! Remarkable! Incredible!”

Well he is an ignorant fool for even bothering to type up that useless site.

The bible code can be searched in one direction only. Forwards. PERIOD.

AND if using the sites formula, your not using the same formula as the Bible code.

The letters of the Old testament are put in one single line 300000 letters long and no spaces. THE ONLY reason that the “Bible Code” by Drosnin displays the codes in lines and or diagonals is because the single line of 300000 has been formatted into multiple lines, so that the code found can be fit onto one page.

For example : Say A is the 10,000th letter of the bible

In example one it is formatted like this to display the code found in a presentable way, instead of over 10 pages.

0A000000000000010000 000000
00000000000000001000 000000
00000000000000000100 000000
00000000000000000010 000000

In example two that A is still the 10,000th letter just its been reformatted so as to display the relevant code.(DROSNIN DOES THIS. THE PROGRAMS THAT SEARCH FOR IT DON’T)
01000000000000000000 0A0000
00001000000000000000 000000
00000001000000000000 000000

AND FOR THE PEOPLE saying Hebrew has no vowels...you are correct...but Hebrew cant be translated directly into English.

I’m not going to bother arguing the existence of the bible code, because many have and the argument has been settled...the skeptics are out of luck on his one...it is real....

So go out and read all the books on it, go to ISRAEL and talk to the mathematicians who discovered it. Better yet get the bible keys program and search it your self

SweetSativa · 10-04-2004, 05:58 AM

".... and neither can you say here it is or there it is because the Kingdom of Heaven is within..."

The bible talks about a change that happens 'in the blink of an eye'.... and there is that veil of forgetfulness... we will not even know it happened. They do not speak of the end of the world!!!!... only the end of TIME... and in our way of thinking, it may mean the end of one TYPE of time.

SweetSativa · 10-04-2004, 06:01 AM

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Originally Posted by kosh

And speaking of religeon...just had a look in the bible, which at least is an interesting book, if a bit crazy...the good news bible...'revelations '....check out 'the famous prostitute' and also 'the fall of babylon' and look for parallels between the story and sep11....if you was a believa, well you could read anything into anything, but its kind of chilling all the same,the great city....and all that....all the glitters is gold....and so they say, in revelations, woe to unto him who adds or takes away words from blah....well I will add, what a crock of shit....when in need, use the bible for joint papers, now you is smokin the real shit.

And think about that... nothing should be added to or taken from THAT BOOK.... that is only one book. The Bible is many books written over MANY years... so, what did that mean? NOT what most interpret it to mean, there's no way that it could have. THE LIVING BIBLE>>>>> is inside of you and in every bit of literature that was truly INSPIRED BY VISION.

MUCH LOVE

SweetSativa · 10-04-2004, 06:23 AM

Hmmmm.... the devil in disguise? Yep, could be

Really, it really could be. What the deal is.... let's just take Jesus for instance (since he's such a popular guy

and a long-haired hippie unless you're looking at the Jehova's representation with the neatly trimmed beard and hair...hehehehe)... anyway, he spoke in parables so that those that had ears to hear would hear. Now, if these words could be interpretted for all... don't you think he would have done that? It is not possible to interpret something of this nature for someone else. And I always feel (be it right or be it wrong... in my world it is, beyond a doubt RIGHT) that everything happens for a reason and there are no coincidences. What stands out in the bible, in music lyrics and literature... is important to me. AND my interpretation is all that matters to me... your interpretation is all that matters to you. Chances are, if you're not drawn 'there' (to the bible or code or what-not) then it is not for you. I know very little of this bible code... I'm into hands on type of spirituality... and i'm sure that you are too in your own way. In the way that you live your life and see beauty in the world. There is a lot of beauty and alot of ugly....

Sometimes you have to see the ugly to be realistic and pain is necessary at times but primary focus on beauty and wonder can definately give new meaning to existance. Blah... too early in the a.m. for rational thought.... life is a song... let's dance, baby.

funky_unkle · 10-04-2004, 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by kosh

Ok a rich man...rich in money, or rich in knowledge and wisdom?

Check out the context, it's 'rich in money'.

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Originally Posted by kosh

For every piece of scripture, which say, lends itself to wisdom or godliness, well you will find a coresponding piece of scripture which contradicts it

???

Why all this fuzz about interpreting the Bible? It's not like it's written in a secret code. Jesus Himself explained His parables.
Surely you can waste your time arguing about details and minor points, but it's not like the Bible is unclear in its messages.

SweetSativa · 10-04-2004, 06:38 AM

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Originally Posted by funky_unkle

Check out the context, it's 'rich in money'.

???

Why all this fuzz about interpreting the Bible? It's not like it's written in a secret code. Jesus Himself explained His parables.
Surely you can waste your time arguing about details and minor points, but it's not like the Bible is unclear in its messages.

You're right about lingering on the details but I don't think that you're right about the bible being clear. That's a very general thing to say. Parts of the Bible may be clear but there are some parts (particularly in Ezekial and Revelations) that are WIDE open. Not to even mention how many times they've been translated and 'edited' by those in power. The only authentic place (imo) to look is where Jesus tells us to look... inside ourselves. Anyway, you're right... too much time on detail... we miss the big picture.

10-04-2004, 06:52 AM

its intresting...all this talk, about the book, and the sequels....

appocolypse is allways of much intrest...

....too the living

but a question now,if appocolyps is for some, the end(newbegginning)

judge existence by those who existence is dying

so iwent to theun...and they displayed "poverty in india"...

and i said wtf?...thats culture and markets....indian style(andjust a guess)

just as open and democratic....just with a whole lotta people....

....and undesirables....

so my guess, is.....if you want to find out .....

there's a war in the middle east

and thier existence...

is under fire...

Hedons · 10-04-2004, 06:53 AM

Doesn't this imply that the bible is a logical contradiction?

Genesis 3 outlines the rise (and fall) of humanity with the story of Adam and Eve. Because of free-will, Eve eats the apple, pisses God off, all the shit hits the fan for the future of all humanity.

And then along comes "The Bible Code" which claims to present scientific and mathematical evidence as a matter of fact, that the bible predicts major future historical events.

One is presenting an existence dominated by personal choice and free-will, while the other is claiming that the same book is outlining a deterministic future.

-Hedons

10-03-2004, 06:41 PM	#24 (permalink)
Kompressor Voice of Reason Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Illinois Posts: 8,066 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2,849 Times in 1,509 Posts	All things lead back to science... Who's science are you talking about? __________________ Think like a man of action, act like a man of thought. -H. Bergson

10-03-2004, 06:44 PM	#26 (permalink)
Kompressor Voice of Reason Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Illinois Posts: 8,066 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2,849 Times in 1,509 Posts	Theoretically, those same sciences are the ones embedded in the Bible Code. So, who put the math in? [edit: Er, I should say who did the math?] __________________ Think like a man of action, act like a man of thought. -H. Bergson

10-03-2004, 10:21 PM	#28 (permalink)
espiex Beaming live from orbit Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Over the hills and far away Posts: 1,028 Thanks: 4 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts	Haha, bible code. Sounds made up to me, and I read his first book. http://www.straightdope.com/mailbag/mbiblecode.html That deals with it pretty well, and there are even more thorough arguments about the bible code linked there. The thing is, it works on any passage of text. You can find vaguely connected words and phrases in the letters of any text if you try hard enough. __________________ -=\|=-

10-03-2004, 11:15 PM	#30 (permalink)
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10-04-2004, 05:58 AM	#34 (permalink)
SweetSativa Lucid Daydreamer Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,930 Thanks: 26 Thanked 51 Times in 47 Posts	".... and neither can you say here it is or there it is because the Kingdom of Heaven is within..." The bible talks about a change that happens 'in the blink of an eye'.... and there is that veil of forgetfulness... we will not even know it happened. They do not speak of the end of the world!!!!... only the end of TIME... and in our way of thinking, it may mean the end of one TYPE of time. __________________ "Why is it that when people talk to God, we call it praying but when God talks to people, we call it crazy?"- Touched by an Angel http://www.youtube.com/user/immelody.../0/DDRj93dQ0O0

10-03-2004, 06:34 PM	#21 (permalink)
Ego Tripping Are you in? Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 13,461 Thanks: 229 Thanked 657 Times in 438 Posts	There will be people around. Populations will be reduced to astonishing numbers, but we will surive and adapt as well. Humans only learn from mistakes. Seatbelts were only used in cars after too many people died without them. Perhaps this 1000 years of peace is accurate and people will finally begin to see what they did wrong. I feel we're approaching a new paradigm of thinking. We are still a very new species, we're still discovering ourselves.

10-03-2004, 11:06 PM	#29 (permalink)
Ego Tripping Are you in? Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 13,461 Thanks: 229 Thanked 657 Times in 438 Posts	I think the main point is many different texts are all pointing to about the same point in time.

10-04-2004, 03:13 AM	#32 (permalink)
Ego Tripping Are you in? Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 13,461 Thanks: 229 Thanked 657 Times in 438 Posts	We have the power to change. I just don't see it happening without some kind of tragedy first. It's been 60 years, something has to go down sometime.

10-04-2004, 03:45 AM	#33 (permalink)
~~PsyOpKing~~ Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 7,021 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	(Espiex) You obviously haven’t read any other books on the bible code. The site that you posted is worthless. IT assigns values to each letter being looked for. It is using random searches. And your post (kompressor) is factually incorrect in the first place. You are writing of 2012, where the bible code states its 2006. YOU ARE QUOTING WHAT DROSNIN SAYS. He is neither the person responsible for the writing of the code nor the decoding of it. Einstein and Edison were some of the first to figure out its existence, and it was Eliyahu Rips who fully decoded it. You have not watched the discovery channel documentaries on it. YOU HAVE NOT watched the pentagon and the NSA confirm that the codes are real. ANY site that says they are not has an agenda, as do the sites that say it is real. But the FACT is it is real. You won’t find anything in Moby Dick or any other text using the same EXACT method used to search the bible code. Try it. Get a program called Bible Keys then search the bible with it(no not the king James ).The old testament.. Then go out and write a program or get someone to write it for you and use the same formula that the bible code uses. YOU WONT FIND ANYTHING, except for a few short coincidental words. Nothing that clicks together. The bible code works like this. Say you search the word BUSH It will take the B and start at one space skips. It goes through the 300, 000 and marks every place that there is a B. Then it takes the U and does the same. When it finds a spot that there is U with a 1 space skip between the B, it drops all the rest and continues. Then the S, the program goes trough the letters and finds the places that the S fits, drops the rest of the B(skip) U finds. Finally it searches for the H, when it finds a B(SKIP)U(SKIP)S that has an H it drops the rest. If it doesn’t find anything at a 1 skip interval it goes onto 2, and so on. This is possible with Moby Dick and Art of War....but that’s where all the similarities end. If you were to search for ARAFAT or SHARON, the Old Testament is the only text that will have encoded those names on the same skip interval as BUSH, along with end of times, bomb atom...ALL ON THE SAME SKIP INTERVAL. (ESPIEX) Your site is a flaming piece of uselessness for another reason. The person who wrote it DID NOT do any research or study. He didn’t even UNDERSTAND how the code works. On his site he writes “With me so far? Now, we play "word find." We look vertically, horizontally, diagonally, slantwise, forward, or backwards to see what we find in the way of words. Notice, right away, the letters "HST" and almost adjacent the letters HM (on the diagonal). Hmmm. Now, numerically by our system, HM would be 48, right? And HST is clearly Harry S Truman, right? And so we have a prediction that Harry Truman won the 1948 election! Astounding! Remarkable! Incredible!” Well he is an ignorant fool for even bothering to type up that useless site. The bible code can be searched in one direction only. Forwards. PERIOD. AND if using the sites formula, your not using the same formula as the Bible code. The letters of the Old testament are put in one single line 300000 letters long and no spaces. THE ONLY reason that the “Bible Code” by Drosnin displays the codes in lines and or diagonals is because the single line of 300000 has been formatted into multiple lines, so that the code found can be fit onto one page. For example : Say A is the 10,000th letter of the bible In example one it is formatted like this to display the code found in a presentable way, instead of over 10 pages. 0A000000000000010000 000000 00000000000000001000 000000 00000000000000000100 000000 00000000000000000010 000000 In example two that A is still the 10,000th letter just its been reformatted so as to display the relevant code.(DROSNIN DOES THIS. THE PROGRAMS THAT SEARCH FOR IT DON’T) 01000000000000000000 0A0000 00001000000000000000 000000 00000001000000000000 000000 AND FOR THE PEOPLE saying Hebrew has no vowels...you are correct...but Hebrew cant be translated directly into English. I’m not going to bother arguing the existence of the bible code, because many have and the argument has been settled...the skeptics are out of luck on his one...it is real.... So go out and read all the books on it, go to ISRAEL and talk to the mathematicians who discovered it. Better yet get the bible keys program and search it your self

10-04-2004, 06:23 AM	#36 (permalink)
SweetSativa Lucid Daydreamer Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,930 Thanks: 26 Thanked 51 Times in 47 Posts	Hmmmm.... the devil in disguise? Yep, could be Really, it really could be. What the deal is.... let's just take Jesus for instance (since he's such a popular guy and a long-haired hippie unless you're looking at the Jehova's representation with the neatly trimmed beard and hair...hehehehe)... anyway, he spoke in parables so that those that had ears to hear would hear. Now, if these words could be interpretted for all... don't you think he would have done that? It is not possible to interpret something of this nature for someone else. And I always feel (be it right or be it wrong... in my world it is, beyond a doubt RIGHT) that everything happens for a reason and there are no coincidences. What stands out in the bible, in music lyrics and literature... is important to me. AND my interpretation is all that matters to me... your interpretation is all that matters to you. Chances are, if you're not drawn 'there' (to the bible or code or what-not) then it is not for you. I know very little of this bible code... I'm into hands on type of spirituality... and i'm sure that you are too in your own way. In the way that you live your life and see beauty in the world. There is a lot of beauty and alot of ugly.... Sometimes you have to see the ugly to be realistic and pain is necessary at times but primary focus on beauty and wonder can definately give new meaning to existance. Blah... too early in the a.m. for rational thought.... life is a song... let's dance, baby. __________________ "Why is it that when people talk to God, we call it praying but when God talks to people, we call it crazy?"- Touched by an Angel http://www.youtube.com/user/immelody.../0/DDRj93dQ0O0

10-04-2004, 06:52 AM	#39 (permalink)
kamikazi89 Guest Posts: n/a	its intresting...all this talk, about the book, and the sequels.... appocolypse is allways of much intrest... ....too the living but a question now,if appocolyps is for some, the end(newbegginning) judge existence by those who existence is dying so iwent to theun...and they displayed "poverty in india"... and i said wtf?...thats culture and markets....indian style(andjust a guess) just as open and democratic....just with a whole lotta people.... ....and undesirables.... so my guess, is.....if you want to find out ..... there's a war in the middle east and thier existence... is under fire...

10-04-2004, 06:53 AM	#40 (permalink)
Hedons Ribbed for her pleasure! Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Chicago Burbs. Delta(x) times Delta(p) is greater than or equal to h-bar over two. Posts: 4,645 Thanks: 23 Thanked 189 Times in 101 Posts	Doesn't this imply that the bible is a logical contradiction? Genesis 3 outlines the rise (and fall) of humanity with the story of Adam and Eve. Because of free-will, Eve eats the apple, pisses God off, all the shit hits the fan for the future of all humanity. And then along comes "The Bible Code" which claims to present scientific and mathematical evidence as a matter of fact, that the bible predicts major future historical events. One is presenting an existence dominated by personal choice and free-will, while the other is claiming that the same book is outlining a deterministic future. -Hedons __________________ New and improved! Now with flushable applicator.

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