Bible Code: End of Days Begun? - Page 3

10-04-2004, 07:11 AM

if your bound by logic...

....and the bible

but not really ...

and the "bible"

...like the kind that christian present...??

the texts that is "old Testament"...which they claim is a forward

to the new book, the son of god...

do jews muslims and christians share the same texts....and how do they relate to each other...

like ...

arent there a whole bunch of these people...in mesopatamia...

africa, the middle east???

funky_unkle · 10-04-2004, 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by SweetSativa

You're right about lingering on the details but I don't think that you're right about the bible being clear. That's a very general thing to say. Parts of the Bible may be clear but there are some parts (particularly in Ezekial and Revelations) that are WIDE open. Not to even mention how many times they've been translated and 'edited' by those in power. The only authentic place (imo) to look is where Jesus tells us to look... inside ourselves. Anyway, you're right... too much time on detail... we miss the big picture.

I think the Bible is extremely, even uncomfortably, clear. Sure, there are a lot of difficult passages esp. in the OT. Luckily though, we can see how Jesus read them. He told the pharisees to check them out and see that they indeed testified about Him. He also said He would send the holy Spirit after He left, to speak about the kingdom of God and reveal these things to us.
I don't think it's entirely accurate to say that Jesus told us to look inside ourselves. It was more like "look at Me."
Oh, and contrary to popular thought, the Bible hasn't been edited like many think.

funky_unkle · 10-04-2004, 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by ronoutofbong

if your bound by logic...

....and the bible

but not really ...

and the "bible"

...like the kind that christian present...??

the texts that is "old Testament"...which they claim is a forward

to the new book, the son of god...

do jews muslims and christians share the same texts....and how do they relate to each other...

like ...

arent there a whole bunch of these people...in mesopatamia...

africa, the middle east???

I found a great quote by Billy Graham. He was asked if he believed in the Jesus of Christianity. "No, I believe in the Jesus of the Bible." It's sad that people don't even want to check out who Jesus is for themselves because they meet Christians that suck...
AFAIK Jews and Christians share the OT, while the Muslims have their own, different version.

10-04-2004, 07:30 AM

thats great holo...

now i'll wait for a jew

a muslim

or whatever else is out there

it seems plain to me that christians do not view the

testaments and history the same....

nah...and i dont know shit about the talmaud...

and i'm gonna lay low on that billy grahme dude...

he's convorted with terrorists

and held council with criminals

just a brand name on a ministry buisness empire...

funky_unkle · 10-04-2004, 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by herbaceuticalis

This thread gives me the chills.

Bible code ...doesn't have me entirely convinced though. I just don't know what to beleive anymore.

Oh, and yes, the bible has been edited. I know it was edited to have the word "Jehovah" taken out of it, a number of times. I'm not sure what version of the bible that is though, the New Testament or King James.

Maybe both?

Edit by who? When? Why?
btw, the NT isn't a version of the Bible, it's one of the halves. King James is one of the English translations of it.

I don't know much about the Bible code thing, and I don't really care. There's enough stuff to dig in without trying to dechipher codes. You don't need a decoding program to read about Jesus.

funky_unkle · 10-04-2004, 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by ronoutofbong

it seems plain to me that christians do not view the

testaments and history the same....

How do you mean?

SweetSativa · 10-04-2004, 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by funky_unkle

I think the Bible is extremely, even uncomfortably, clear. Sure, there are a lot of difficult passages esp. in the OT. Luckily though, we can see how Jesus read them. He told the pharisees to check them out and see that they indeed testified about Him. He also said He would send the holy Spirit after He left, to speak about the kingdom of God and reveal these things to us.
I don't think it's entirely accurate to say that Jesus told us to look inside ourselves. It was more like "look at Me."
Oh, and contrary to popular thought, the Bible hasn't been edited like many think.

In my way of thinking, (and I am not suggesting in any way that you have to see this the way that I do, I am only telling you how I feel) I think that when He said, "Me" he meant... 'me'.... kinda like the I and I thing see. I think that he is a spirit... perhaps he incarnated as a man but he is now a spirit and we are a part of that spirit. When he says "Me" he means the higher part of "We"... that's how I see it... and I think that there are passages to validate this view... but the same could be said for many views.

funky_unkle · 10-04-2004, 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by SweetSativa

In my way of thinking, (and I am not suggesting in any way that you have to see this the way that I do, I am only telling you how I feel) I think that when He said, "Me" he meant... 'me'.... kinda like the I and I thing see. I think that he is a spirit... perhaps he incarnated as a man but he is now a spirit and we are a part of that spirit. When he says "Me" he means the higher part of "We"... that's how I see it... and I think that there are passages to validate this view... but the same could be said for many views.

True, again, you can get most anything out of the Bible if you look for it and don't use things like context and checking whether or not it agrees with the rest. I think Jesus was pretty clear in identifying Himself. It strikes me that nobody would do the same with any other person. It would kinda be basing your entire view of Clinton on his saying "I did not have sex with that woman" and concluding he was celibate.

SweetSativa · 10-04-2004, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by funky_unkle

True, again, you can get most anything out of the Bible if you look for it and don't use things like context and checking whether or not it agrees with the rest. I think Jesus was pretty clear in identifying Himself. It strikes me that nobody would do the same with any other person. It would kinda be basing your entire view of Clinton on his saying "I did not have sex with that woman" and concluding he was celibate.

I'm certainly no Bible scholar and I'm not prepared to debate the bible. The Spirit speaks to me (to us) in many ways and the Bible is one of them. I guess that my perspective is more Native American, really so I won't argue about what he meant. I know what is truth to me.... and respect what is truth to you. *bows and steps away.

funky_unkle · 10-04-2004, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by SweetSativa

I'm certainly no Bible scholar and I'm not prepared to debate the bible. The Spirit speaks to me (to us) in many ways and the Bible is one of them. I guess that my perspective is more Native American, really so I won't argue about what he meant. I know what is truth to me.... and respect what is truth to you. *bows and steps away.

Hey, I don't intend to start a debate as such. I think none of us are scholars (but it's certainly interesting to read what scholars have to say).
I think that if one, as you, see the Bible as just one of many revelations (or something like that), you obviously have to take it with a grain or two of salt. It just doesn't make much sense to me to take Jesus to account for whatever faith by plucking a quote here and a quote there.
Oh, and peace to you to

SweetSativa · 10-04-2004, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by funky_unkle

Hey, I don't intend to start a debate as such. I think none of us are scholars (but it's certainly interesting to read what scholars have to say).
I think that if one, as you, see the Bible as just one of many revelations (or something like that), you obviously have to take it with a grain or two of salt. It just doesn't make much sense to me to take Jesus to account for whatever faith by plucking a quote here and a quote there.
Oh, and peace to you to

I use the quotes because they speak to me like poetry speaks to me... they ring clear of truth. And I do not feel that I am necessarily taking anything out of context. Jesus is a (supposed) historical figure and his life is accounted for in scripture but he also does tell us that the Kingdom of Heaven lies within... so, his life is also accounted for inside of us. I do think that this is what he meant because it is what makes sense to me. I am the way, the truth, and the light... no man shall come unto heaven but through me (is that right? I'm sorry it's been a while).... He defines what "he" is before he says, "no man shall come unto heaven but through me"... It seems clear to me. and it feels right. It's important not to put words before what is in your own heart. (from my view :-p )

**~~PsyOpKing~~** · 10-04-2004, 08:48 AM

done wasting my time on this thread as well.....most of you dont like when truth hits you in the face so you choose to ignore it...oh well your loss....

**Kompressor** · 10-04-2004, 09:13 AM

One of the Few,
People who know about the Bible Code know it runs on ELS already. Skeptics believe that the code doesn't work on books such as War and Peace and Moby Dick because the books aren't sufficiently long enough as the Old Testament, or so I've heard. I do not claim to be an expert in this field, nor did I claim Michael Drosnin participated in this event. Hell I'm not even Christian, Jewish, or Muslim.

Real or not, I still would like to know why many ancient civilizations predicts this era, not the specific date, as Humanity's 'end.'

SSD suggests consciousness, but I'm not to sure what he means by that.

**~~PsyOpKing~~** · 10-04-2004, 09:37 AM

me neither....on the SSD part....

and i am not religous either....i believe in a higher being and what ever that being is it is ALIEN to us. ...now people like J-wonder and legal lies....PLEASE READ THIS CAREFULLY.... i never said god is extra terestrial(although he might be, no one can really tell)...the entinty known as god, is alien to humans....

personally i dont believe in any of the books as they are written, as they are nothing more then bullshit made up in babylonian times....used to controll civilizations....but the code its self cant be denied....weahter or not the code is telling the definite truth is another matter....but the fact that it exists is undeniable.

as to why now??? i don't know...maybe its like in The 5th element....ETs come down and say theyll be back at a certain time. after all ancient civilizations, as well as todays natives of north and south america all believers of mysticism(sp?) maybe they can just tell and predict when things are going ot happen as i said i dont know...im just specualting

could be like David Icke said in his book the biggest secret....that the aleins came and havent left...maybe when they decide to leave(this time period) they want to get rid of all proof that hey were here...again all specualtion....

my 2cents

anyways im done withthis thread....

funky_unkle · 10-04-2004, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by SweetSativa

I am the way, the truth, and the light... no man shall come unto heaven but through me (is that right? I'm sorry it's been a while).... He defines what "he" is before he says, "no man shall come unto heaven but through me"... It seems clear to me. and it feels right. It's important not to put words before what is in your own heart. (from my view :-p )

It's in John 14:5, it's really mindblowing. http://www.biblegateway.com/cgi-bin/...on&showxref=on

10-04-2004, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by One-Of-The-Few

and i am not religous either....i believe in a higher being and what ever that being is it is ALIEN to us. ...now people like J-wonder and legal lies....PLEASE READ THIS CAREFULLY.... i never said god is extra terestrial(although he might be, no one can really tell)...the entinty known as god, is alien to humans....

personally i dont believe in any of the books as they are written, as they are nothing more then bullshit made up in babylonian times....used to controll civilizations....but the code its self cant be denied....weahter or not the code is telling the definite truth is another matter....but the fact that it exists is undeniable.

as to why now??? i don't know...maybe its like in The 5th element....ETs come down and say theyll be back at a certain time. after all ancient civilizations, as well as todays natives of north and south america all believers of mysticism(sp?) maybe they can just tell and predict when things are going ot happen as i said i dont know...im just specualting

my 2cents

anyways im done withthis thread....

yea, right...

mystics is like a trump... something missing in strict equation

but what helps define what is time, and place and being??

once that is invaded

then destryoed...

its gone...

genocide...

...mystics are those who remember...

SweetSativa · 10-04-2004, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by funky_unkle

It's in John 14:5, it's really mindblowing. http://www.biblegateway.com/cgi-bin/...on&showxref=on

"15"If you love me, you will obey what I command. 16And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Counselor to be with you forever-- 17the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be[3] in you. 18I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you. 19Before long, the world will not see me anymore, but you will see me. Because I live, you also will live. 20On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you. "

Mmmmmmhmmmm

funky_unkle · 10-04-2004, 02:47 PM

This thread made me think about Jesus a lot.
I'm starting to realise that He didn't start a new religion. His followers didn't go from Judaism (or whatever the Gentiles believed) to Christianity. They went from religion to Jesus, from rules to freedom. He said "look at Me, believe in Me, follow Me."
"Christian" was apparently a negative term originally, used by the opponents of Jesus's earliest followers.
Maybe I won't call myself a Christian anymore. The term comes with so much (and yet so little) baggage.

Ego Tripping · 10-04-2004, 04:16 PM

Jesus never preached Religion and basically said for people to find their own way to God...that doesn't mean attending Church or following a certain Doctrine.

I am not a Christian, but I follow Jesus' message. He was very Zen.

SmokeSomeDoja · 10-04-2004, 04:22 PM

you can learn more about yourself, others, and the world by having a deep consciousness and understanding than you can from reading/studying/whatever. im really feeling stupid today, im sure supermarket would be more than willing to discuss this because im sure he knows what im talking about, or else ill get around to elaborating later.

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Kompressor Voice of Reason Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Illinois Posts: 8,066 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2,849 Times in 1,509 Posts	One of the Few, People who know about the Bible Code know it runs on ELS already. Skeptics believe that the code doesn't work on books such as War and Peace and Moby Dick because the books aren't sufficiently long enough as the Old Testament, or so I've heard. I do not claim to be an expert in this field, nor did I claim Michael Drosnin participated in this event. Hell I'm not even Christian, Jewish, or Muslim. Real or not, I still would like to know why many ancient civilizations predicts this era, not the specific date, as Humanity's 'end.' SSD suggests consciousness, but I'm not to sure what he means by that. __________________ Think like a man of action, act like a man of thought. -H. Bergson

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funky_unkle free Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: ) Posts: 1,737 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	This thread made me think about Jesus a lot. I'm starting to realise that He didn't start a new religion. His followers didn't go from Judaism (or whatever the Gentiles believed) to Christianity. They went from religion to Jesus, from rules to freedom. He said "look at Me, believe in Me, follow Me." "Christian" was apparently a negative term originally, used by the opponents of Jesus's earliest followers. Maybe I won't call myself a Christian anymore. The term comes with so much (and yet so little) baggage. __________________ A communist officer told a Christian he was beating, "I am almighty, as you suppose your God to be. I can kill you." The Christian answered, "The power is all on my side. I can love you while you torture me to death."

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10-04-2004, 07:11 AM	#41 (permalink)
kamikazi89 Guest Posts: n/a	if your bound by logic... ....and the bible but not really ... and the "bible" ...like the kind that christian present...?? the texts that is "old Testament"...which they claim is a forward to the new book, the son of god... do jews muslims and christians share the same texts....and how do they relate to each other... like ... arent there a whole bunch of these people...in mesopatamia... africa, the middle east???

10-04-2004, 07:30 AM	#44 (permalink)
kamikazi89 Guest Posts: n/a	thats great holo... now i'll wait for a jew a muslim or whatever else is out there it seems plain to me that christians do not view the testaments and history the same.... nah...and i dont know shit about the talmaud... and i'm gonna lay low on that billy grahme dude... he's convorted with terrorists and held council with criminals just a brand name on a ministry buisness empire...

10-04-2004, 08:48 AM	#52 (permalink)
~~PsyOpKing~~ Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 7,021 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	done wasting my time on this thread as well.....most of you dont like when truth hits you in the face so you choose to ignore it...oh well your loss....

10-04-2004, 09:37 AM	#54 (permalink)
~~PsyOpKing~~ Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 7,021 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	me neither....on the SSD part.... and i am not religous either....i believe in a higher being and what ever that being is it is ALIEN to us. ...now people like J-wonder and legal lies....PLEASE READ THIS CAREFULLY.... i never said god is extra terestrial(although he might be, no one can really tell)...the entinty known as god, is alien to humans.... personally i dont believe in any of the books as they are written, as they are nothing more then bullshit made up in babylonian times....used to controll civilizations....but the code its self cant be denied....weahter or not the code is telling the definite truth is another matter....but the fact that it exists is undeniable. as to why now??? i don't know...maybe its like in The 5th element....ETs come down and say theyll be back at a certain time. after all ancient civilizations, as well as todays natives of north and south america all believers of mysticism(sp?) maybe they can just tell and predict when things are going ot happen as i said i dont know...im just specualting could be like David Icke said in his book the biggest secret....that the aleins came and havent left...maybe when they decide to leave(this time period) they want to get rid of all proof that hey were here...again all specualtion.... my 2cents anyways im done withthis thread....

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Ego Tripping Are you in? Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 13,461 Thanks: 229 Thanked 657 Times in 438 Posts	Jesus never preached Religion and basically said for people to find their own way to God...that doesn't mean attending Church or following a certain Doctrine. I am not a Christian, but I follow Jesus' message. He was very Zen.

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