I'll tell you a wonderful secret!

Bodhisattva · 11-03-2004, 09:07 PM

Those who have faith are saved. There's nothing more to it than that. Those who believe are saved; those who don't are not.

Much Metta,
-bodhisattva

kitch · 11-03-2004, 09:28 PM

in the end everyone will though, and until then no one is saved.

espiex · 11-03-2004, 10:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bodhisattva

Those who have faith are saved. There's nothing more to it than that. Those who believe are saved; those who don't are not.

Much Metta,
-bodhisattva

Saved from what, exactly?

kitch · 11-04-2004, 09:58 AM

their egos

Ego Tripping · 11-04-2004, 01:04 PM

^^ That's very correct, in more ways than one.

Mull D · 11-04-2004, 01:14 PM

saved from what, no kidding? people need egos thats why we have them.

I would like to interpret this as faith that everything goes only as it should and everything is how it is supposed to be.

The Rev · 11-04-2004, 02:26 PM

I don't get this whole "trascending the ego" idea. I hear it talked about, like it's a good thing, but I've never had it defined in any concrete terms.

Now, as far as I know, the ego is the self, the center of consciousness that perceives sensory input and memories. By that definition, the only person who's transcended their ego is an unconscious person (meaning, no perception). So, I have to ask, "How is that good, spirtually?"

The Rev

kitch · 11-04-2004, 02:36 PM

to reach moxa you have to let go of the idea of ego. Kitchkinet can't reach moxa, neither can the rev, or any other individual for that matter. You develop your atman to a point and then you stand back and say "hey, look at what I did, look at how spiritual I am and this completely defeats anything you've done, since the idea that YOU did it is completely selfish. You have to simply allow your ego to let go, to become all.

str8100sdj · 11-04-2004, 02:38 PM

people with religious faith are blind and ignorant to the real world.

Bodhisattva · 11-04-2004, 05:09 PM

Str8100sdj, congratulations, you have the faith, you are saved.

Much Metta,
-bodhisattva

Ego Tripping · 11-04-2004, 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by str8100sdj

people with religious faith are blind and ignorant to the real world.

Funny, I always thought the opposite.

And I bet when you hear 'God', you still relate it to Christian Dogma.

SweetSativa · 11-04-2004, 05:47 PM

^there's a big difference between religion and spirituality. When I speak of God, I normally use the term "All That Is" although I do believe that there is a larger consciousness... so to speak... a Holy Spirit... everything is sacred, everything is meaningful. Hey, we have a choice of how we view the world and it sure looks a lot nicer to me with this view (and since I also believe that my consciousness effects the reality around me, I prefer this view). Not all religious people are closed but there are a fair share of them out there.

supermarket :) · 11-04-2004, 05:53 PM

Just because religon has been used incorrectly and ignorantly by many people to achieve their own desires and "beliefs" does not mean that religon itself is False, Untruthful, or Unnatural even.

The Way has existed ever since known time, and religon just attempts to point us to the Way. What is wrong with that? Religon is nothing but a roadmap home, baby.

Some will see the map and think it leads to a material treasure. Some will see the map and try to confuse others with it, and use it to get there way.

Some will see the map and make no sense of it, and some will condemn others for believing the map really leads somewhere.

However, there are true followers who follow the map that comes in all different cultures and variations, and they aloned will obtain the treasure of the map.

Ego Tripping · 11-04-2004, 07:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Rev

I don't get this whole "trascending the ego" idea. I hear it talked about, like it's a good thing, but I've never had it defined in any concrete terms.

Now, as far as I know, the ego is the self, the center of consciousness that perceives sensory input and memories. By that definition, the only person who's transcended their ego is an unconscious person (meaning, no perception). So, I have to ask, "How is that good, spirtually?"

The Rev

Ego is not the self. YOU, are self.

If you want to define Ego, think of everything that relates to you that is Earthly. The clothes you wear, music you listen to, place you live, what you look like, your apprehensions, fears, angers, etc.. Your ego is what tells you, "You can't do that! You're not big enough, smart enough, good looking enough, etc.." Ego is what ties you to the physical.

Think about what someone says "Damn, that guy is a huge Ego." What do they mean? They mean he is pompous, he thinks he is above others, he thinks his personality is seperate from everyone else, he has too much pride. Removal of the Ego reduces (or raises, in my opinion) EVERYONE to the same common denominator. Think about who you TRULY are. Your inner self, the part of you that always speaks to you. Your dreams are the closest we can truly get to living through our inner self (aside from deep meditation, drugs, or even death) rather than the Ego, hence, why they are so cryptic. The Ego speaks to us with earthly words and definitions, while the inner self uses symbolism and emotions.

Ego is not a bad thing, as Supermarket previously stated, but rather, something we must learn to recognize and work with. However, the Ego DOES cause FEAR. We cannot get rid of it easily, its a constant and daily trial to free ourselves. Once we realize that all pain, suffering and fear is a result of everyone identifying with their Ego rather than inner self (true self, soul, spirit), then we are TRULY free and at peace. And after all, isn't that the goal of every single human being's life? Free from strife, trouble, pain and existing only in Love.

Bodhisattva · 11-05-2004, 09:55 AM

My point is faith is the same as confidence.

The effect is generic for everyone, the more confident you are the more saved you are from everything that is 'false'

This ties in with my reply to users 'word' thread incase anyone is still confused.

Much Metta,
-bodhisattva

SweetSativa · 11-05-2004, 10:27 AM

So funny... was JUST talking about that very same notion. That some sort of faith is essential. If one is working with energy or magick, he must be confident that it will work... he must have faith. Even though (I believe) that to grow, we must also remain open... we must not close ourself in a box as SOME do with religion and cling to something that is told to us because of 'blind faith'... limiting our ability to see things through the eyes of another and justifying many bloody deeds (in both actions and words). I think that there is a difference between being objective (good) and doubtful (bad)

Ego Tripping · 11-05-2004, 06:59 PM

Bodhissativa: my question to you (and one that I am pondering endlessly): Is Faith enough?

snapshot · 11-05-2004, 07:26 PM

Supermarket's post was really cool. About as universally "good" and just as you get. We're all trying to get home. I've never really felt like I was home.

Ego Tripping · 11-05-2004, 07:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by snapshot182

Supermarket's post was really cool. About as universally "good" and just as you get. We're all trying to get home. I've never really felt like I was home.

What is your Zodiac?

snapshot · 11-05-2004, 08:52 PM

Libra.

11-03-2004, 09:07 PM	#1 (permalink)
Bodhisattva Professed Monster Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Spectator's Malevolent Neutrality Posts: 328 Thanks: 5 Thanked 18 Times in 12 Posts	I'll tell you a wonderful secret! Those who have faith are saved. There's nothing more to it than that. Those who believe are saved; those who don't are not. Much Metta, -bodhisattva __________________

11-04-2004, 01:04 PM	#5 (permalink)
Ego Tripping Are you in? Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 13,461 Thanks: 229 Thanked 657 Times in 438 Posts	^^ That's very correct, in more ways than one. __________________ God appears, and God is light, To those poor souls who dwell in night; But does a human form display To those who dwell in realms of day.

11-04-2004, 02:26 PM	#7 (permalink)
The Rev Clear Light Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: In my head, somewhere. Posts: 17,672 Thanks: 4,716 Thanked 5,057 Times in 2,708 Posts	I don't get this whole "trascending the ego" idea. I hear it talked about, like it's a good thing, but I've never had it defined in any concrete terms. Now, as far as I know, the ego is the self, the center of consciousness that perceives sensory input and memories. By that definition, the only person who's transcended their ego is an unconscious person (meaning, no perception). So, I have to ask, "How is that good, spirtually?" The Rev __________________ "You're seriously flying close to the fag-sun, icarus." -Flamingnun

11-04-2004, 02:38 PM	#9 (permalink)
str8100sdj Ryu wins. . . Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: So-Cali (951) Posts: 169 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	people with religious faith are blind and ignorant to the real world. __________________ Ambitious yet lazy, genius yet crazy, but always a little bit hazy - Zoltron

11-04-2004, 05:09 PM	#10 (permalink)
Bodhisattva Professed Monster Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Spectator's Malevolent Neutrality Posts: 328 Thanks: 5 Thanked 18 Times in 12 Posts	Str8100sdj, congratulations, you have the faith, you are saved. Much Metta, -bodhisattva __________________

11-04-2004, 01:14 PM	#6 (permalink)
Mull D Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 4,584 Thanks: 455 Thanked 156 Times in 81 Posts	saved from what, no kidding? people need egos thats why we have them. I would like to interpret this as faith that everything goes only as it should and everything is how it is supposed to be.

11-04-2004, 05:47 PM	#12 (permalink)
SweetSativa Lucid Daydreamer Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,930 Thanks: 26 Thanked 51 Times in 47 Posts	^there's a big difference between religion and spirituality. When I speak of God, I normally use the term "All That Is" although I do believe that there is a larger consciousness... so to speak... a Holy Spirit... everything is sacred, everything is meaningful. Hey, we have a choice of how we view the world and it sure looks a lot nicer to me with this view (and since I also believe that my consciousness effects the reality around me, I prefer this view). Not all religious people are closed but there are a fair share of them out there. __________________ "Why is it that when people talk to God, we call it praying but when God talks to people, we call it crazy?"- Touched by an Angel http://www.youtube.com/user/immelody.../0/DDRj93dQ0O0

11-04-2004, 05:53 PM	#13 (permalink)
supermarket :) -2012- Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Scaryetta, GA Posts: 7,619 Thanks: 0 Thanked 5 Times in 2 Posts	Just because religon has been used incorrectly and ignorantly by many people to achieve their own desires and "beliefs" does not mean that religon itself is False, Untruthful, or Unnatural even. The Way has existed ever since known time, and religon just attempts to point us to the Way. What is wrong with that? Religon is nothing but a roadmap home, baby. Some will see the map and think it leads to a material treasure. Some will see the map and try to confuse others with it, and use it to get there way. Some will see the map and make no sense of it, and some will condemn others for believing the map really leads somewhere. However, there are true followers who follow the map that comes in all different cultures and variations, and they aloned will obtain the treasure of the map.

11-05-2004, 09:55 AM	#15 (permalink)
Bodhisattva Professed Monster Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Spectator's Malevolent Neutrality Posts: 328 Thanks: 5 Thanked 18 Times in 12 Posts	My point is faith is the same as confidence. The effect is generic for everyone, the more confident you are the more saved you are from everything that is 'false' This ties in with my reply to users 'word' thread incase anyone is still confused. Much Metta, -bodhisattva __________________

11-05-2004, 10:27 AM	#16 (permalink)
SweetSativa Lucid Daydreamer Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,930 Thanks: 26 Thanked 51 Times in 47 Posts	So funny... was JUST talking about that very same notion. That some sort of faith is essential. If one is working with energy or magick, he must be confident that it will work... he must have faith. Even though (I believe) that to grow, we must also remain open... we must not close ourself in a box as SOME do with religion and cling to something that is told to us because of 'blind faith'... limiting our ability to see things through the eyes of another and justifying many bloody deeds (in both actions and words). I think that there is a difference between being objective (good) and doubtful (bad) __________________ "Why is it that when people talk to God, we call it praying but when God talks to people, we call it crazy?"- Touched by an Angel http://www.youtube.com/user/immelody.../0/DDRj93dQ0O0

11-05-2004, 06:59 PM	#17 (permalink)
Ego Tripping Are you in? Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 13,461 Thanks: 229 Thanked 657 Times in 438 Posts	Bodhissativa: my question to you (and one that I am pondering endlessly): Is Faith enough? __________________ God appears, and God is light, To those poor souls who dwell in night; But does a human form display To those who dwell in realms of day.

11-05-2004, 07:26 PM	#18 (permalink)
snapshot no custom. customize Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: The unOriginal Rorschach. Posts: 19,305 Thanks: 15 Thanked 18 Times in 17 Posts	Supermarket's post was really cool. About as universally "good" and just as you get. We're all trying to get home. I've never really felt like I was home. __________________ We are all atheists about most of the gods that society has ever believed in. Some of us just go one god further. -Richard Dawkins

11-05-2004, 08:52 PM	#20 (permalink)
snapshot no custom. customize Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: The unOriginal Rorschach. Posts: 19,305 Thanks: 15 Thanked 18 Times in 17 Posts	Libra. __________________ We are all atheists about most of the gods that society has ever believed in. Some of us just go one god further. -Richard Dawkins

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