DevilGIRL

I'd love to try it cuz my life is FILLED with stress. But I have no idea where I can get an opium leaf. Anything else I could use?

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Little angel go away
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SweetSativa

"Actually, dipshit, you need to understand the context in which I was using the word fantastic. I didn't mean fantastic as in amazing, grand, or anything like that. I used it in a way to describe something that can only occur in a fantasy world. Something that is unreal. Why don't you go take a shower you dirty hippie.

This is about the biggest bunch of bullshit I've ever read in my life. You people are seriously delusional. There's a reason why many of you can't seem to "get out of the body" and that's because it's impossible, except when you die. Tell these losers that think they're getting out of their bodies to lay off the heorin.

By the way, dictionary.com has no troubles defining reality: The quality or state of being actual or true."


^lol... lovely representation of yourself. I simply MUST invite you to dinner sometime.... lol.

(On a serious note... you are entitled to believe whatever you wish to believe. Some find a belief in God completely delusional... some find certain spiritual pathways delusional. Some see someone who thinks that he knows the tangible truth delusional... it is within your right. I find the passion and fury of yoru reply a bit strange though. )

*sniff, snifff... is that FEAR that I smell? Uhhhg! What a wretched smell.
psssstttt... (Ego, remember those tests we talked about? )

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SweetSativa

Ooops! If you read the above before it was modified, Devil... it wasn't directed to you.

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Dirty Harry

I only got angry because he was trying to tell me the context in which I used my own words. That just kinda pisses me off, it insults my intelligence. In fact I apologize for majority of the derogatory comments I made in my previous post. Everyone can think and do what they want, so more power to yah.

Ego Tripping

But, we weren't (using it in that context)....so...you 're still wrong.

And you can't define truth. I win. No settle down before your panties bunch up more.

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Mescalito

Do a search for opium lettuce or calea zanatechichi or dream herb and take a look at this post... http://www.yahooka.com/forum/showthread.php?t=74102

You dont really need any of it to start off and would probably be better learning it without at first. I find the calea provides the inward focus and the opium lettuce means you can get to the numb stage quicker and stay in it easier. I basocally use as a shortcut through the stages. Also calea has a rich use in lucid dream induction or at least increasing your dream recall... i think it was the oxaca mexicans or something like that. Ive found that the effects grow on you the more you smoke.. kinda like kanna does.

Travelling out of body is perfect for curing stress... You will have a complete new life where you can do and experience what you can concieve and have a shitload of fun. A point here though is that if you have an active obe for quite some time.. like all your rem, you will feel alot more tired in the morning.. so this may knock the fun factor from like 100 to 99. I have a giant list of things to do.. half of which i dont even remember to do when im out. (it certainly puts a whole new meaning on the phrase 'im off out'!). Yeah my newest addition is visiting the laaaaand of chooooocolate and having a good hour or too eating and never getting full but with all the satisfaction.. maybe a bit more!

Although its gonna be sweet for you to learn how to have obes, ask yourself is it your responsability that you are stressed. You choose to react the way you do if you know what i mean. So try changing that and see what happens..

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Mescalito

Just seen your post...
Thats a good question which im suprised ive never considered.. im open to the possibility that that may happen, and it may be a part explanation of why things are turn out differently to what you concived them. I definate think that you can make it happen... maybe thats how two individuals meet up out of body.. something which i dont think ive done yet but am going to! It all seems to go back to what you percieve.

lol that was the way with me at first but now i go into them with something planned... i usually end up getting at least one thing done but things tend to flow away from the original plan. After flying for the first time i was so astounded by the whole thing i found it hard to want to even concieve other things to do.

I just recently realised that i could practice out of body out of body now that is strange. Its going to help me get out alot easier in the future. In fact anyone who just started would be wise to do this so you can get out easier the next time round.

Sweet

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DevilGIRL

No worries, man...

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DevilGIRL

Thank you, thank you, thank you!!!

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You know OBE's are pretty cool wether they're a construct of the human mind or of more spirtual nature. I've never had a complete OBE but I've had very lucid dreams. Is an OBE like a lucid dream. Where it's not completely real and you know it's not but it's cool cause you can do whatever you want. And it feels more real than waking imagination. A lucid dream kicks daydreamings ass. Oddly enough I find I have more lucid and vivid dreams when I go to bed if I'm on some kind of depressant. When I'm sober I basically have no dreams, or I forget them. (Or block them out) I would like to try to have an OBE but I'm prolly one of the most impatiant and cynical people around. Generally if something doesn't work pretty quick I say fuck it I wouldn't like it anyway. What I'm trying to say is any suggestions for an extremely impatiant person? (Please don't say be patient :P)

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SweetSativa

My favorite prayer, "God grant me patience......... BUT HURRY!!!!"

First, are you having truly lucid dreams (simply a dream where you know that you are dreaming)? If you are, then you can accomplish OBE through a lucid dream (actually, many do not differentiate between a lucid dream and an obe because with both your consciousness is not in your body). I have done this a couple of different ways (but I am not extremely experienced in OBE... definately many more lucid dreams than what I consider OBEs). One way is that from the lucid dream, you return to your body but DO NOT WAKE UP... don't open your eyes, just become aware of your body. Sometimes you will find that you are actually viewing your body, others you will be back in it... if you are in it... just get up out of it. Don't make it hard, just think it EASILY and do it. From there, do whatever you would like. I have a friend (old friend from an old band of my husband) who was involved in a religion known as Eckankar which encouraged astral projections and exploring different realms. He said that a friend and he often met in the astral body and did various things (I also have another friend who says that he and a friend went on journies together out of body while on shrooms). He said that once he and this other friend (and this one did not even smoke herb or drink or do any sort of mind altering 'drug') popped in on a non-believing friend and switched his lights off and on.

Anyway, the other way is to not worry about returning to your body once you become lucid (make sure that before you go to bed you have a VERY SPECIFIC plan for what you intend to do when you get out of your body), close your eyes and reopen them in the environment that you wish to explore... just know that in this realm this is completely possible... you will yourself where you want to go... In physical life we need a physical mechanism to move around (our legs and feet, a car, etc) but in the astral world, we maneuver about with our will. Good luck... do some experimenting... I'm sure that you'll have plenty of your own ideas once you get into it.

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Mescalito

Ok, you have to be capable of calmly awaiting an outcome or result; not hasty or impulsive.

This is an important lesson in anything so you can consider it a good thing about learning to get out. Instead of looking at it as an wall that you cant climb over why not fly or at least find a stepladder or something.

I think the state of perception is the same in lucid dreams as it is in obe's, just that when they are talked about they include different ways of 'gettting into' the state. Like generally lucid dreams are either done my conciously falling asleep or realising that you are asleep while asleep. The obe literature generally speaks more about conciously falling asleep and seems to me to give a broader easier range of methods for doing this and doing it faster. I disnt just want to fall a sleep and realise i was sleeping, i want to be able to relax and do it within 10-15min. Like a alkaloid extraction achieving this state needs to be mastered and the result is you learnt a shitload on the way and got some goood shit at the end.

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Mescalito

Hey Sweet..

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C_ka

lol,

that with the san pedro in your avitar.........


i know where your comming from man.

(two of my freinds have experienced telepathy on high doses of mesc, one of them with each other, and i had some with one of them)

(oh yea and then we watched dragon ball z when piccilo fuses with kami....
HOLY SHIT!!!! - dont tell me its all in my head......)


but yea,
i get lucid dreams 75% of the time, usually remember two or three when iget em.


only occasionally have i been truely lucid (15-20 times in my life) i.e know im dreaming, and can have FULL controll quite freely without ANY fear or losing lucidness.

and that is a m a z i n g........

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Mescalito

Cool man, if you've had ld's before then why not try and control them! Ive experienced telepathy out of body pretty much everytime ive been out. Its cool but when it almost becomes the norm there are much much much better things to do.

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Mescalito

Ive met other travellers before a few times.. doing exactly the same as me. But then again when you know you can control your reality and the proof is in the making, its hard not to concieve the other people as your creation rather than actual other people.. So the answer to your question is i dont know, but i suspect its maybe a part of both.

From hearing about people meeting up while out of body in what we would consider our 'physical reality' im inclined to believe that both are just as possible. An example story of this is when three lucid dreamers planned to meet at a specific location.. so one night they go and try it. In the dream two of the people meet and both note that the third one wasnt there. When the awake and speak the next day the third person did not have a lucid dream that night, so it could be said that this rules out the chance that the dream was caused solely by expectation or exercised control.

A few other things are the study by osis and some other dude called something like mckormic, they came to the conclusion that their results supported the hypothesis that ostensibly unintentional kinetic effects can occur as a result of localised out of body 'vision'. Then there is the cat tests, where out of 8 control periods the cat meowed a total of 27 times but not once while there was a person 'there' out of body, instructed to show a bit of love and stroke the cat. You ever see your cat getting scared at something that he seems to have just seen but you loko where it was looking and there is nothing to be seen? The arguments for obe travel are the extra and intrasomatic theories. The first is where a significant part of the persons 'personality/self' actual does leave the body and the second is sort of like a remote sensing thing where no part leaves the body... The implications are massive for either.

The Mescaline Man

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Ive answered your question twice SweetSativa! lol>

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