Mescalito

Here is the way in which i get out of body...

1. Lie down in a comfortable position.

2. Breath deeply and relax in anyway you know how to. Like using a calea/opium lettuce extract shortly before. Or you can concentrate on your bodies energy, chi, feeling, and suggest to yourself that when you are conscious of a specific area of your body that the feeling will be more powerful in that area. Also suggest that this feeling is healing and relaxing. Then go and be conscious of every part of your body and feeling the feeling. Then focus on your whole body and let go of every thought and let the feeling just flow inside you. When your not making suggestions relax and zone out to the hypnagogic imagery.

A important note about self suggestion is to try to really mean what you say like it is already true. Believe! Also repeat suggestions..

3. Continue your relaxation till the point where you can no longer feel your body touching any surfaces. Basically until you are comfortably numb.

4. In the relaxed state suggestions will be accepted easier... Make your own suggestions here but try and include a few of these things in them.. You can travel out of your body easy. It is safe to do it. You create your own reality. Believe it!

5. Make a good definitive leaving suggestion.. i use 'im rising smoothly out of my body' and repeat it in relaxed time with my breath or pulse if you can hear it. For your first attempts i recommend doing the rope technique here. Basically feel an imaginary rope above where your lying and feel yourself climbing it out of your body. Suggestions as well as this may be better but sometimes it can be too much to focus on and maintain a relaxed state. This also goes for visualising the rope.. try not too. just feel it with your imaginary hands. If at anytime you feel your body again go back to relaxing... maybe take a break.

6. During the suggestion i feel at first my body energy building up and after what seems like a minute or so a high pitched sound will start to slowly increase in amplitude and frequency.. Its liftoff time. The next thing you are out above your body feeling like you are floating and then open your eyes and in front of you will be your own reality. Create as you please.

If you have trouble with this you may have a limiting belief so find it and change it. That may be the one thing that stands in the way of you having your one life on one hand or that life + a new life with endless possibilities. The power of belief is undeniable when you look at the differences.

The most difficult bit i found when learning is that it is hard to stay relaxed and maintain the same breathing rate when your energy feel is increasing and especially when their is sound, which doesn’t always happen. The fact that this was happening for so long was because i formed a limiting belief. When i noticed it at first i reinforced the belief that i found it hard to relax when under those circumstances and so for many times after that became the reality of the situation. So basically i made a suggestion the opposite to this and included it in with the other suggestions when relaxing.

Some amazing thing to do once your out. Well these are some personal ones some of which i have done and some im going to do... Travel in various different bodies.. like my cats. Cut yourself up (this really helps with taking pain by letting you change your perception of pain). When you do cut off your sensory organs and put them in various places sensing through one at a time or all together. Experience synthesezia where you can see audio etc. Have great sex with an angel. Answer questions. Visit friends who are in or out of body. Smoke opium with a caterpillar and try allsorts of substances even made up wonder drugs. Heal your body. Create a guide. Go into a black hole or to the other galaxies and planets. Practice playing music. Create your own musical instruments. Meet yourself!!! i could go on forever.. and probably will.

Give it a go! what have you got to lose!? Have Faith! Believe!

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Ego Tripping

Albeit I know it depends person to person, what is the usual time it took for you to acheieve the OBE level?

Also, how long were you practicing this before your first successful attempt?

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Mescalito

I started to do the whole method.. after about 6 months of trying i got my first oobe. In that time i guess the first 2 weeks were spent trying to perfect relaxing techniques for going numb.. improved each time i did it.. which was and still is every night. That part now takes about 10 minutes instead of about 30. The rest of the time i spent trying to stay relaxed when the intensity is building up. After my first one i felt utterly at peace. Your life will change. You wont deny that it works because you will know that you can experience a reality as physical as 'physical reality'. The time it takes is around 15 minutes to an hour.. it mostly depends on the time it takes to be numb. Once youve done it it gets much easier. Im concentrating on getting them more regular at the moment. Not too concerned with the speed yet... Thats something to practice getting better at for later. Once you have felt the feelings ive mentioned and had your first 'conscious' out of body experience (i say conscious because it may be what happens when you are in REM) then you will never forget how to do it.. and each time it gets easier at recognising the feelings and letting them flow with your suggestions and breathing. Some other things that may have helped... i write all my dreams that i remember down to keep a good recall.. coz u wanna remember your adventures. And also taking a good look at my beliefs and doing a bit of belief changing with suggestion but just under relaxed conditions not when i was trying to get out.

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Ego Tripping

I DO know that peace you speak of. I've experienced it before, but with the aid of certain fungi friends. I still remember it like it happened yesterday (it technically did ) and I always use it as a reference point.

I was meditating last night (I try and do this every night before bed) so luckily I'm getting a head start on this. This guide will really help me expect it.

I've been realizing the power in pure belief/faith recently as well. 99% of my problem with is right now is I'm TRYING to calm myself and TRYING to connect to my higher-self and TRYING to get Out Of Body instead of just KNOWING it.

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Dirty Harry

I'm going to admit, this shit sounds a bit fantastic to me. I'd like to read more about it though. Any links you know that would give me more information? It sounds very interesting and everything, just a little too fantastic in my opinion. Thanks alot.

Ego Tripping

Existance itself is more fantastic than we ever take notice of.

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marinol-girl

i think i would fall asleep.

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SweetSativa

Yeah, definately not something that can be forced. For some reason, overfocusing on a desire can kinda kill it. Stating the desire (I use three times)... and sending it out... and REALLY letting it GO is a skill that is quite useful to aquire (still working on it... and have also seen it work). I have read of this for OBE and I have used it as a lucid dream induction method; as you are falling to sleep at night... sit in the back of your head (just EASE-ily place your consciousness at the back of your head/ base of your neck) and WATCH yourself fall to sleep... like a waiting room for the state that you are looking for. At that time, use whatever method you prefer to leave the body (through chakras, through symbols, or just by will) or will yourself to remain lucid through your dream/ astral ventures. (hehehe... I'd better get to bed because I glance the clock just now and it is 10:16 which is just kinda late for this ol' lady.

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Ego Tripping

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espiex

That, so far, has been the most important lesson I've learned (and am still learning) in my life.

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Dirty Harry

That just sounds like some stupid hippie bullshit to me. Life isn't fantastic, that's what makes it reality. Reality isn't fantasy. They aren't one in the same.

Ego Tripping

Not fantasy, fantastic, grand, amazing. And news flash: you can't define reality so you can't define fantasy, it's all subjective. I'd explain further, but if you don't understand the idea of context, you definately wouldn't get the rest.

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I-M-Stoned

i cant do it , but if i manage to do it, will it be like i actually see in different places or will it just be i feel like i am there?

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Mescalito

Yeah i find this to be very true when attempting to do it but when you im not attempting, building up a huge desire only helps me. Try to get as psyched up as you can about it when you are not practicing. I find it quite easy to do by just thinking about all the wonderful experiences i can have. As for it been bullshit.. Well yeah it is if you think it is.

Everything needs a bit of blind faith when you start out. However once you are started you just have faith. I knew about lucid dreaming along time before i started learning out of body but didn’t follow up on it for a while.. Basically because i thought that the reality that the reality you see, hear, feel, smell in your dream was less vivid than my waking life. They can be less vivid... and if you have this belief it will more than likely turn out to be less vivid. But what happens in your oobe or lucid dream is that your thoughts are instantly materialised so depending on how clear your thoughts are or beliefs about a particular thing you may see it vividly or not.

The first time i tried to walk through walls i was stopped by them... that is to say i wasn’t stopped by the wall because the wall is me... my thought. Unsurprisingly i had a belief that told me i couldn’t walk through walls. The same happened when i cut myself. At first i felt pain but then i changed my thought and felt no pain. Oh yeah beliefs are very easy to change when your in the oobe state, in fact anything is easy to change if you believe it to be easy. You will notice more and more restricting beliefs and basically over a while you will change them to enable you to be really free... no limitations.

Here is the book i read.. read it if you want some more encouragement...
http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0809...61#reader-link
You can actually start reading the book on that link which is cool.

Good Luck Everyone!

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Mescalito

Limiting belief... have you ever done anything properly when in your head youve been saying to yourself that you cant do it?

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SweetSativa

I was reading about something different but similar (working with thought energy)... just reaffirming what I've found to be true and giving me some structure. Yeah... your building upon the desire is a good thing (it builds the strength of the thought energy... ) as long as at the time that you will make the attempt, you can let go of that... send the desire OUT so that you are no longer emotionally attached to it. Or so I've found anyway.
Awesome post. I just remembered that I had ANOTHER lucid dream last night. I'm on a roll (finally) but I just have not been disciplined about writing anything down so I don't remember them very well. In the second lucid dream that I've had (the first was before I knew what they were)... I tried to control one aspect of the dream... I wanted a car to stop so that I could get a ride. I tried and tried and tried but could not get that car to stop. Now I've come to realize that if you cannot seem to control one aspect, it's much easier to find another one to control (such as I could have flown where I wanted to go or just 'blinked' myself there). Yes, life is incredible and fantastic, miraculous in my opinion but if another chooses to see it as dull and mundane... so be it... it's his reality.

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Mescalito

Thanks SweetSativa! I know what you mean.. At first when i attempted to take some sort of control my thoughts would reveal themselves as quite different things to what i thought they were. I am still currently trying to take full control, but ive noticed that each moment where i see this difference i more often think about what belief of mine is causing it.. and pretty much always find the answer. Sometimes it doesnt come to me.. but things like that have a way of coming back so i can look at them again. Now even though i have control over alot more of my reality i still get twists in the tail.

This is based upon the saying 'all energy follows thought'...Try this get someone to focus all their energy into their main finger on either hand, then get them to draw a simple object on your back.. with no contact.. like a square, circle, ying-yan...see if you can feel the energy and figure out the pattern. I do this with my girlfriend and we both know, providing the image is simple, what it is. I feel my energy easiest in my hands.. by pointing at your palm and waving it so that you 'push' or make the energy flow towards your finger tips. You will feel it. And the more you push towards the tips the stronger it will get. This is a good thing for your partner to do before you try the back thing.

Some other cool things are using homemade divination rods ill do a post if anyones interested.

Oh yeah and here are a few links...

http://www.outofbody.co.uk/

http://www.oberf.org/

http://www.out-of-body.com/

http://paranormal.about.com/library/.../aa110501a.htm

http://www.lucidity.com/

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Pitfall

humans take all of life for granted sometimes!


isn't the idea of all of this to NOT try? my best meditations were meditations that weren't forced. you can't call yourself a loser etc if it doesn't work. because that just feeds the "ego". meditation is all about destroying the ego.

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SweetSativa

^or EXPANDING it, depending on how you see it. I mean, you never really stop identifying yourself... you just exand that definition of what self is. (IMO)

Sanchez, do you think though that your dream world is COMPLETELY yours? Some are (imo) and some are not. I believe that there are different planes and different laws of different planes (of course, you could also say that this is a subjective view and is limiting...hehe). So, most of the time I can control my dreams completely (if I become lucid... well, I guess... I usually get so caught up in flying that I forget about anything else )... however, within that plane/ that state of consciousness... we are also capable of interacting with other entities (and with one another).... we are open to a 'collective consciousness'. I have had interaction with a particular entity through my dreams ever since I remember. I have found that I can effect him with my actions but I cannot control him any more than he can control me. Well anyway, just a little twist. Wondered what your thoughts are?

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Dirty Harry

Actually, dipshit, you need to understand the context in which I was using the word fantastic. I didn't mean fantastic as in amazing, grand, or anything like that. I used it in a way to describe something that can only occur in a fantasy world. Something that is unreal. Why don't you go take a shower you dirty hippie.

This is about the biggest bunch of bullshit I've ever read in my life. You people are seriously delusional. There's a reason why many of you can't seem to "get out of the body" and that's because it's impossible, except when you die. Tell these losers that think they're getting out of their bodies to lay off the heorin.

By the way, dictionary.com has no troubles defining reality: The quality or state of being actual or true.