Ego Tripping

I had a cool thought today....

I think it's possible there is a directly objective reality, but we interpret it subjectively until we learn to "meaning behind it." I relate this idea to a Scripture that can have many interpretations but still have a specific teaching behind it that all will interpret the same in the long run.

Is this a paradox? Yes, because it's suppose to be a in a Dimension of seperatedness. Ying/Yang (cause/effect) is the basis of our reality, the spiral, the golden mean, the endless cycle. But in the 'higher dimensions' these veils of seperatedness are dissolved. Outside space/time (time/space) there is no more need to retain to the past or the future as they become merged.

But in my opinion, this veil (ego) is never fully dissolved until the Soul stops seeing reality as subjective and realizes it's only been Objective the entire time. Can you have Subjectivity in singularity? How can there be multiple angles of something with no dimensions or sides? Can there be multiple observers to One person?

I think this is making sense. I'm very very stoned.

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Kompressor

I think the I Ching would be a good scripture for you.

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Canuck Wisdom

George Berkeley basically believed that we are all just minds, experiencing our subjective world, which we create. The reason we can interact with other people and our realities dont conflict is because we are all a part of God's one mind.

Makes sense to me.

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Ego Tripping

Ditto. And I think once a Soul fully realizes God's Mind, he sees the world for it's Objectivity. But the individuality stays.

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Paranoid Android

Yep.

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Yeah, but what type of Ultimate reality test is that. How complex is it to finally arrive at that solution. Ockham's Razor may suggest the solution lies elsewhere depending on how simple you can make this solution relavant.

I think general terms are all that need be discussed which is why is do not accept your last paragraph of your first post and feel that you're own prejudices and wants about this ultimate reality are clouding your judgement as to what is waiting for us on the other side of conciousness.

Is this why we are here? Is this something that even the most ignorant would understand if he came across it? Don't make the answer more complex just because you can't see the answer in broader terms.

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We are all atheists about most of the gods that society has ever believed in. Some of us just go one god further.
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Ego Tripping

Nope. It's the very essence and reason for our existance. At the same time, it's an illusion when one sees itself as nothing MORE than the Individual and not part of the collective.

As I said earlier, it's a Paradox but only in this Dimension.

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Ego Tripping

The ultimate: so simple yet so elusive and evasive from the everyday Mind. Once attained (or at least realized to a point), it never seemed more simple.

Remember that feeling on Shrooms when everything just 'makes sense' and you laugh and giggle endlessly because it was all so simple? Kind of like that.

Not complex at all, yet so few get anywhere near it. The best place to hide is right out in the open.

That's the point though. No matter what, those said prejudices and wants exist in every person in the World. Not one soul on the planet doesn't have their preference/feelings/wants/thoughts of what lies on the other side. This very realization is a step in the direction of the collective however, as it opens you to more objectivity when you see the world through multiple subjective eyes.

What broader terms? The answer is unique from person to person. You create this life as you see fit, you create the next life as you see fit. Once you stop working to create the life for yourself, subjectivity dissolves as does dualities and polarities. You're telling me even the most ignorant person can understand a Individually segregated collective? I disagree, because neither you or I can, or anybody in this realm. We're not supposed to because it's the basis of our reality; two opposing sides. But what happens when the sides become one but still remain two distinct sides?

Paradoxes are the highest form of Truth. Acceptance of Paradox is acceptance of Truth. Acceptance of Truth is why we are here.

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Ego Tripping

Do you ever write your own thoughts? You seem to Cut and Paste like Pitfall. Albeit, better shit.

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Sans & a half

Heh I've noticed that too Ego. But you forget that the beauty of buddhism is in it's cryptic nonsense. But what is nonsense? masukuma asked. Kucamachu said that sense is the same as nonsense ha ha ha ha. Actually I have lots of respect for buddhism. Basically buddhism is one of the few religions that realize that our world is a crazy lump of crap. And that none of us are gonna really gonna get it till we're out. It's like being born walking through a maze, the turns are chaotic and it makes no sense, but there has to be an end. But even when you reach the end what the hell is gonna be outside your maze? It certainly won't be your maze but that's what many people on earth are searching for. An earth after the earth, a life after your life. Basically a lot of people want a maze with bigger corridors. They want that life to be like this life but better. But that's rarely how things work. You either have change or stagnation, to want both at the same time is as rediculous as many of the buhdist quotes I've heard

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Ego Tripping

I'm not trying to demean Buddhism, I would just enjoy reading some of his own interpretations of the endless amounts of quotes and texts that he posts.

And I don't think life is a Maze at all. I think life is only a Maze until you realize there never was a Maze to begin with, meaning no beginning OR end.

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ThePerfectDrug

ego, your break from smoking was long.

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I've heard you say many times
That you're better 'n no one
And no one is better 'n you.
If you really believe that,
You know you got
Nothing to win and nothing to lose.
From fixtures and forces and friends,
Your sorrow does stem,
That hype you and type you,
Making you feel
That you must be exactly like them.

Pitfall

You always try and sound original ego, but you’re not original. A lot of what you say is good, but most of it is oldschool. Stuff that has been put through many filters already. 99% of things in this world aren’t original, so don’t take it to heart. I think we can find some of the supposed answers "after death" right now. The Objective, The Subjective, these can look like total illusions when tripping. They can become one, they can change places. They can bounce back and forth at a very fast rate. Just a thought out of the blue, tripping is so much like meditation, but most people believe meditation to be a true thing. A REAL, WORKING thing. Coz they are so alike, does this mean that all of them are real, or that all of them are delusions?

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SweetSativa

Knock it off guys . You all have unique ways of expressing yourselves. I love that Bodhisattva shares the things that he shares. Sometimes how we feel can better be expressed in words that have already been written. I cannot believe that I know an objective truth. Where I am right now, I believe that I know a truth.... that some know this same truth and some know a different truth (and then there are those who know no truth because they are so heavily clouded with denial... but even that reality is valid). Everything is subjective to any given view (in the body or out) in my opinion. Since I do not know an objective truth (and cannot know an objective truth), I only share what I have learned along my personal path and hope that someone else will be able to relate so that I can see that I do not walk alone and so can they. For those that believe that we create our realities, this is what I believe will evolve of consciousness in the future; we create this reality from ALL that we are... so, when we have things within ourselves that we do not see (or are in denial of... especially if we are in denial), these things are composed of thought energy and this energy also creates situations in the physical world because it is trying to create something for us to learn from. So, when we finally listen to our world, and accept that we ARE (and not push those parts into a cycle of denial) then we become more open... to the truth that I AM coming to know. Then, we begin to create what we want to create, with the understanding that the undesirable often comes to help us to gain insight. The day of judgement is at hand. So, I believe that we are in the process of elevating our consciousness and in the future, we will find the capacity of our creative being.... and become aware of our connection to All That Is, to God, to The Great Spirit... it will happen at different intervals for different people but it doesn't really matter. Although there appears to be a hierarchal spiritual order at the moment, it is only due to subjective time.

"What your own hands do
It's your own eyes that have seen
So won't you judge your actions
To make sure the results are clean

It's your own conscience
That is going to remind you
That it's your heart
and nobody elses
That is gonna judge

Be unselfish in your doings
Pass it on~~~" Bob Marley (whose spirit sings through so many of us)

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"Why is it that when people talk to God, we call it praying but when God talks to people, we call it crazy?"- Touched by an Angel
http://www.youtube.com/user/immelody.../0/DDRj93dQ0O0

Ego Tripping

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Ego Tripping

Great link...

I remember for 6th grade camp we acted this joke out for the talent show. Crazy.

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SweetSativa

*feeling around in the dark for those lost keys

Oh wait, here they are... hehe... in my pocket all along.

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"Why is it that when people talk to God, we call it praying but when God talks to people, we call it crazy?"- Touched by an Angel
http://www.youtube.com/user/immelody.../0/DDRj93dQ0O0

snapshot

How did I know that?!

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We are all atheists about most of the gods that society has ever believed in. Some of us just go one god further.
-Richard Dawkins