CowMan

The message that i'd like to convey is this
God is = to everything in existance.

that means:
God = You
God = Me
God = everyone else.
God = your envrioment.

If you go with this, you'll find that when you love and respect you, me, everyone else and your enviroment that you'll feel much better about your life. Things in your life will start to go alot better, and this is the karma/power of God. Truely enlightened people are living heaven right now.

I find alot of times atheists are the one's who have a sour outlook on life. It's not just that they beleive life is suffering, because thats a view held by some of the most happiest and religious people in the world. Often I find that these people will spend hours beating themselves up saying that there's no God and no point. They don't realize that by shutting out the possiablity/tolerance of even the slightest idea of a God altogether is making their lives far more sufferable.

Now, are you atheist or agnostic? A person who is agnostic is typically the one who isn't living his/her life by faith. They don't beleive in a God because they feel they have seen no proof of any such thing.

Personally, as a spiritual person I beleive people without faith and proof are taking far too many of the things in life for granted. But keep searching for that proof.

If you look hard enough, you'll find it.

kamikazi89

i went places with the teeth brushing metaphor...but not in the context i think you meant it....

thus a post

i would not construe anything as dogmatic V3d4, not strictly speaking, probably not at all....

egocentric, maybe, as the ego judges, its always ironic...

mystic?

waiting, not inspirationondemand

... testimony& witness??ok

the children stories got me thinking, but it wasn't human consciousness that peaked me....three of those sea turtles will reach many times over a 100 years old...

in human terms???

unknown

but taken as its given???

thanks




always interested in what others have to say

funky_unkle

Good thread.

I see in my own life that I didn't want to believe in God because that would mean I'd be held accountable for my life one day, and I would be surprised if I was the only one thinking like that.

And no, I'm not saying you're all pussies that don't dare to look for God.

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A communist officer told a Christian he was beating, "I am almighty, as you suppose your God to be. I can kill you."
The Christian answered, "The power is all on my side. I can love you while you torture me to death."

Ego Tripping

Reminds me of that quote..

"I may not agree with you sir, but I'll defend to the death, your right to say it."

I care not of what people think of my beliefs because I openly proclaim that I am 100% wrong. Why? Because there is no 'right.' Nobody is right because nobody knows anything about anything. All we know is direct experience. Everything we know was written by the same people we are, just with their strong beliefs in how they think the world works. But the 'truth' is we all live and breathe in ignorance/innocence. Our very minds are a complete mystery yet they are the facilitator to experiencing this world. We are driving a stickshift uphill when we don't even know how to work a car. But that doesn't mean I cannot have my opinions.

All I want is everyone to realize this and respect this notion because it is the core problem with our entire species.

People will never agree entirely. Ever. And we're not supposed to, ever. If we never had independent thought and opinions, we'd stagnate without any fresh ideas. The difference is I feel we will eventually accept and embrace our different views. Right now we think the world is 'out there' when everything you know, and I mean everything, is directly related to another thing and most importantly, yourself. Your world reflects you, and the more you know and accept, the more elaborate the reflection.

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Ego Tripping

Not sure if these were intended to contradict what I feel or in support. If they are intended to be contradictory, they don't contradict anything I believe. In fact, they support it. I get something entirely different out of reading The Bible than you might. You must remember I a have no set belief, it's always changing, growing and impossible to label.

The Bible to me is written like a childs book. It's telling a very complex story at a very juvenile level. It's not meant to be taken at face value, ever. It seeks to put the wordless into words. But I think its meant to apply to the individual...as long as the lessons learn always teach Love.

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Transcend

Yep totally agree with all that. The key in all this i think is tolerence. Be tolerent of others views and give them the same respect you would expect. Basically "treat others how you would want to be treated". yeah it's an oldy but a goody. if everyone lived by this there'd be infinitely less problems in the world but I spose that's a bit idealist but if you don't have a dream how you gonna have a dream come true

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Ego Tripping

"Most of what I really need to know about how to live, and what to do, and how to be, I learned in kindergarten. Wisdom was not at the top of the graduate school mountain, but there in the sand box at nursery school.

These are the things I learned. Share everything. Play fair. Don't hit people. Put things back where you found them. Clean up your own mess. Don't take things that aren't yours. Say you are sorry when you hurt somebody. Wash your hands before you eat. Flush. Warm cookies and cold milk are good for you. Live a balanced life. Learn some and think some and draw some and paint and sing and dance and play and work everyday.

Take a nap every afternoon. When you go out in the world, watch for traffic, hold hands, and stick together. Be aware of wonder. Remember the little seed in the plastic cup? The roots go down and the plant goes up and nobody really knows how or why. We are like that.

And then remember that book about Dick and Jane and the first word you learned, the biggest word of all: LOOK! Everything you need to know is there somewhere. The Golden Rule and love and basic sanitation, ecology, and politics and the sane living.

Think of what a better world it would be if we all, the whole world, had cookies and milk about 3 o'clock every afternoon and then lay down with our blankets for a nap. Or we had a basic policy in our nation and other nations to always put things back where we found them and clean up our own messes. And it is still true, no matter how old you are, when you go out in the world, it is best to hold hands and stick together. "

--- Robert Fulghum

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funky_unkle

Intended to support, mostly, but not completely on the judgment part.
Me too. That's why I want to hear what you think.

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A communist officer told a Christian he was beating, "I am almighty, as you suppose your God to be. I can kill you."
The Christian answered, "The power is all on my side. I can love you while you torture me to death."

funky_unkle

Yeah yeah, but that sadly just doesn't work, does it. We all know a few good guys, and we all think we're good. But everybody "knows" the Golden rule, everybody already knows love is better than hate. So, to me, you might as well say if everybody were colour blind and got high, we'd all be fine.

I'm not dissing your ideas, I've just become a bit disillusioned with people. And like the Fulghum qoute, which is beautiful, it's nothing like suggesting a solution, it just states that "the world would be a lot cooler if everybody just..."
We need something to change not only the world, but ourselves, from the inside. Because we obviously either can't or won't. All the good ideas don't work. They don't make crooked people straight. But that's the great hope I have for all of us, that we CAN change. That God Himself will change us when we let Him.

Peace
(I used to say "peace" and I thought I knew what it was, but I had no idea).

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A communist officer told a Christian he was beating, "I am almighty, as you suppose your God to be. I can kill you."
The Christian answered, "The power is all on my side. I can love you while you torture me to death."

funky_unkle

But that's a HUGE statement, on par with most any religious claim. Think about it.

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A communist officer told a Christian he was beating, "I am almighty, as you suppose your God to be. I can kill you."
The Christian answered, "The power is all on my side. I can love you while you torture me to death."

Ego Tripping

That's the key though. It's a claim that claims NOTHING. Think about it.

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funky_unkle

Grr, now my head hurts. Simplify it, please.

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A communist officer told a Christian he was beating, "I am almighty, as you suppose your God to be. I can kill you."
The Christian answered, "The power is all on my side. I can love you while you torture me to death."

Bodhisattva

"It's fear of the unknown. The unknown is what it is. And to be frightened of it is what sends everybody scurrying around chasing dreams, illusions, wars, peace, love, hate, all that--it's all illusion. Unknown is what it is. Accept that it's unknown and it's plain sailing. Everything is unknown--then you're ahead of the game. That's what it is. Right?"
- John Lennon

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Ego Tripping

"I read the news today oh boy...."

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SageTree

Saw this being viewed by a guest on 'who is online'

Thought I'd give it a bump.

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