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Old 01-23-2005, 09:52 AM   #1 (permalink)
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A Belief In Everything (Nothing)

Just curious how many other Yahookan's feel this way about life in general.

I tend to live by a quote from a band...

"Be a believer, believe in everything, you'll be right, half the time..." - Jets To Brazil

This seems atrocious to most people at first. But it's not a matter of gullibility or lack of skepticism...it's a matter of accepting that I truly know NOTHING. For all I know, every Religion has an equal chance to be correct. Every theory made has a chance to be correct. We live and breathe in innocence/ignorance all our lives and I can't bring myself to label or follow any specific belief. Every Scripture and Spiritual Texts were passed down from Man, written by Man, and distorted by Man. Every person is their own Universe and we literally create our own Realities...thus, there is no way that anybody else has OUR answers...every single reality is unique.

For example, my beliefs are a combination of Hebrew, Zen, Buddhism, RA, Christianity, Tao, Science, Paganism and other various Spiritual beliefs. I find them all to be masks and covers on the same idea, Love. This is my only true core belief in Life. Everything comes from it and everything goes back to it. Nothing is Greater because it's Everything.

But I accept and deny everything. I embrace and adore the idea that I'll NEVER know. It used to scare and bother me, there was so many choices and paths avaliable! How could someone just choose one Religion and neglect all the others? How could I know which is the right one? What if it wasn't? How was I supposed to have Faith that I was making the right choice?

Then I realized it doesn't matter. They ALL are correct and ALL are incorrect. I love the idea that I don't know and never will know. I don't want to know anymore. I think the only thing we need to KNOW is Love and to me, it's the only Objective Truth in existance (which is still interpreted completely subjectively). If one knows and lives Love, it does not matter how smart that said person is, what Religion they are, how much education one has had, etc.. To know Love is to know Everything (nothing).

So does anyone else here believe in Everything as well?
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So, we still strive for entertainment or lessons.

Even the diciplines you have followed to reach your conclusions have been a learning process or ejoyment...or both.

Get rid of the idea that even being 1% percent wrong is part of reality. We play the game of ignorance to maintain our restricted dimensional bodies so anything that appears to be incorrect could very well be your grounding point
; our desire to continue in this altered manner.

Becoming "one with everything" only broadens your search area.
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So, we still strive for entertainment or lessons.

Even the diciplines you have followed to reach your conclusions have been a learning process or ejoyment...or both.
Of course, every step is as important as the one that preceded and the one to come.

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Get rid of the idea that even being 1% percent wrong is part of reality. We play the game of ignorance to maintain our restricted dimensional bodies so anything that appears to be incorrect could very well be your grounding point
; our desire to continue in this altered manner.

Becoming "one with everything" only broadens your search area.
That's my point. Most people live their lives finding reasons to be right, not wrong. I'm happy knowing that Right and Wrong are two sides of the same coin and is strictly subjective.

Becoming One with everything is the same as becoming One with nothing.
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Ummmmm...

My point was that there is no wrong, evil, bad or even good. There is just the is. No past, no future. We have this moment and it's our perception of this moment that gets us to take action or not. It is always yours to participate or observe in any way you choose.

Settle upon a truth and it's yours, for the moment.
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Old 01-23-2005, 01:48 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Of course, I made quite a few threads on the idea of "ISness". it blows me away every waking moment of my life. We as Humans use the intellect to apply labels to things but these are fallacies. There is no segregration or seperate labels on One. I agree, Gov. I look forward to your posts, always on target and worth reading.
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Have you seen the movie "What the @$!& Do We Know?"

A little quantum physics thrown in to the mixture. Great film!
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Old 01-23-2005, 01:59 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Loved it. Another movie that didn't give new info, but re-iterated a lot of ideas that just made me feel warm and fuzzy inside. I enjoyed it immensly because it really does display our Ignorance to how things work as a gift, not a curse or something we should strive to overcome.

I personally do not think we are meant to understand Reality, just accept it. And if you accept it for all it is, you Love it. And if you Love it, well, you're going to live a good life.
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Sounds like you've already "Illusions", too.
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Is that a movie? I don't believe I have seen it.
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"Illusions - The Adventures of a Reluctant Messiah", a book by Richard Bach.

Without peer.
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The best books I've ever read always come from reccomendations. I'll pick it up.
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...the Masters Handbook, and short.

Read this thread after you've finished the book and remember the vampire.
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CUT TO:

NARRATOR walking in pleasant woodland scene.

NARRATOR: The anal-territorial reality-tunnel has its origin in mammalian ritual. Excreting on a territory is a ritual signal that the territory has been claimed.

CUT TO:

Dog peeing on tree.

CUT TO: NARRATOR walking through stills from Olivier's HENRY V.

NARRATOR: Domesticated primates -- humans, that is -- outline their territories by ink excretions on paper. Every national border marks a place where two gangs of domesticated primates got too exhausted to fight anymore and made a new territorial mark.

CUT TO:

Footage from Welles' CHIMES AT MIDNIGHT. The armies of Henry IV and the rebels rushing forward into combat.

Dubbed voice: Hail Eris! All hail Discordia!

More footage from CHIMES: dead bodies in the mud.

CUT TO:

NARRATOR walking past collage of photos from Vietnam War.

NARRATOR: We all enter this reality-tunnel by age 3 -- and most never grow out of it. This new reality-tunnel is again formed by imprinted neurotransmitter networks in the brain. It is called Patriotism.

CUT TO:

Footage from Eisenstein's ALEXANDER NEVSKY. The two armies in panoramic shot rushing to destroy each other.

Dubbed voice: Holy Russia! Long live the Tsar! Hail Eris!

Second dubbed voice: The Fatherland. Long live the Kaiser! All hail Discordia!

Third dubbed voice: Anybody got any ludes?

CUT TO:

IGNATZ wandering down the dark hall.

Voice (off screen):: American life bomb went authoritarian. We leap from human bodies. Fast forward.

CUT TO:

CLOSE UP of finger pushing FORWARD button.

CUT TO:

A new ACTOR sitting at the TV Announcer desk. He has all the charm and sincerity of a professional TV anchorman. Behind him are front Jand back sketches of John Kennedy's body as observed as Parkland General Hospital in Dallas.

ACTOR: This is the neck wound that all the doctors at Parkland Hospital in Dallas identified as the entrance wound. (Points to neck.) It looks like an entrance wound. This is the huge gaping wound in the back of the head (Points to back of head ) that the doctors regarded as the exit wound. It looks like an exit wound. This is what they saw and wrote down and testified, and it indicates the shots came from the front, from the Grassy Knoll.

CUT TO:

The crucial sequence of the Zapruder film. Kennedy is hit and his head jerks back, like any man shot from the front.

CUT TO:

The TV studio, as before Zapruder insert. The Parkland hospital sketches disappear and are replaced by by two new sketches of the corpse.

ACTOR: These are the sketches of what the doctors at Bethesda Hospital saw later that evening. The wound in the neck has been enlarged, you will note, to make it look like an exit wound. A new wound has been added in the back, between the shoulders, which was not there at Parkland Hospital in Dallas. Look. Do you see the changes? In making these alterations, the whole brain disappeared. It has never been found or its absense explained. All this was necessary to make it look as if the shots were fired from the rear, from the School Book Depository. Now the Mafia couldn't do this. The pro-Castro Cubans couldn't do it. The anti-Castro Cubans couldn't do it. No group of rich right-wingers outside the government could do it. The changes were made while the corpse was in the hands of government agents. And the changes were made immediately, as soon as the corpse was put on Air Force One. Only a group within the government could do this. And the only group in the government with the motive and the means and a history of arranging assassinations was the (slow emphasis) C...I....

Screen goes blank, as if film broke. Weird extraterrestrial noises. Sign appears:

DO NOT ADJUST YOUR MIND
IT IS REALITY THAT IS MALFUNCTIONING
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NARRATOR standing before TV announcer set. In the background, two men in white are forcibly administering a hyperdermic sedative to the Assassination Buff ACTOR.

NARRATOR: We don't know how he got in...some wandering nut, obviously....He'll get the medical attention he needs...

ACTOR, sedated, zombie-like, is dragged off by the men in white.

CUT TO:

The unconvincing UFOs from PLAN 9 FROM OUTER SPACE

VOICE #1: End Kennedy sequence. Rewrite past time.

VOICE #2: Yes. We must not destroy their reality-tunnel too fast. Let there be Slack.

VOICE #3: No goddam anchovies, I said.

CUT TO:

Mercator map of the world.

NARRATOR (voice over) The trajectory of human history can be stated in four simple words -- Fast Westward, Fast Forward. Those with neophobic imprints -- "Oh, Mommy, take me home" -- stay in one place, where they were born.

A dot appears over Thailand.

NARRATOR: Those with neophilic imprints -- "It's fun to explore" -- keep moving Westward, against the spin of Earth, creating new ideas as they travel. Consider the order of the discovery of the chemical elements -- which is one trajectory of the direction and acceleration of human progress...

Each element is represented by a dot lighting up and flashing on the map. They move steadily in an East-to-West direction.

NARRATOR: In this simulation, one minute equals 6000 years, or one hundred years per second. The first nine elements were discovered in Asia, before the birth of Christ...

We see the dots lighting up.

NARRATOR: Then, faster and faster, the elements were discovered in Europe, moving from South-East to North-West...The Holy Inquisition sort of killed off science in Southern Europe, as you can see...

We see the dots lighting up and clustering in Northern Europe.

NARRATOR: By 1932 we knew all the natural chemical elements. Since then we have created quite a few new elements, all of them in Southern California.

We see the dots moving West to California in the last part of the last second.

NARRATOR: Fast Westward, Fast Forward...

CUT TO:

Alleged extraterrestrial in gorilla suit with diving helmet (from ROBOT MONSTER.) He is walking across desert. We dub dialogue.

GORILLA: No, there were no little green men for Lee Harvey Oswald. So soft this public nuisance is beginning.


CUT TO:

Medium shot. IGNATZ is in a grubby hippie pad, wearing Punk clothes. He has a joint in his mouth and is laying out Tarot cards for a "reading." Poster of John Lennon on wall behind him.

AUTHORITARIAN VOICE (off screen ) You think you're pretty damned smart, don't you, you insignificant little turd?

IGNATZ looks up guiltily, awed by Authoritarian Voice.

VOICE: Oh, you know all about Tarot and the Tree of Life and how to get high on Weed. You dig the latest in art and music and film. You're fuckin' HIP, baby. But what about the left brain? Do you know anything about that, melon head?

Camera pans around room, highlighting air conditioner and stereo as VOICE drones on in tones of rebuke.

VOICE: How does the Mysterious Stereo function? Why does the mystic Air Conditioner make the air cooler? Have you ever wondered about these things? Are you using only HALF your brain power?

CUT TO:

Long shot of jet airplane taking off.

VOICE (still off-screen) What is the Magic Art that allows a super-jet to lift 400 people off the ground and put them down safely over 4000 miles away?

CUT TO:

IGNATZ in hippie set, looking downcast and Bottom Dog.

CUT TO:

The brain on black background, revolving.

VOICE: The long-hidden secrets of the left brain are known to High Adepts at the Princeton Institute for Advanced Studies. Now they are willing to share their mystic knowledge with nerds like you. Yes, YOU, and any other jerk like you. Now is your chance to learn about the syllogism, which tells when an argument is sound and when it's just hot air. Or about the equation, which predicts physical events before they happen. Or the Experiment, which shows the secrets of nature stark naked before your gaping moronic eyes. Sign up before it's too late.

CUT TO:

The living room. IGNATZ and BETTY watching the above on TV. In the corner, NARRATOR is reading INFO-PSYCHOLOGY by Dr. Timothy Leary.

BETTY: Gee, I wonder if this stuff is anything like yoga? I hate those bending exercizes...

IGNATZ: Advanced sages... hidden knowledge...Ha! Sounds like bullshit to me.
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Mind-fuck yourself and realize that Agnosticism is the one true religion.
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Bodhisativa is like Pitfall, but actually with articles worth reading.

Although I would appreciate your own words sometime. Posting articles doesn't mean anything more than you read a lot. But shows nothing of your understanding.
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Bodhisativa is like Pitfall, but actually with articles worth reading.

Although I would appreciate your own words sometime. Posting articles doesn't mean anything more than you read a lot. But shows nothing of your understanding.
Such zest.


I thought the whole thing was bullshit (again) and inspiring too. It really helps to read about other people being able to want to end their life, to wish they could. It's an amazing thought (the feelings that I get from it). I wonder what the feeling is like.
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What does my understanding have to do with anything?

Speaking is one thing, hearing is another thing


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I suppose. I just enjoy your translation of these articles as well, just for discussion's sake if anything.
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Last night was interesting. I attained some level of clarity. relative to what I'd been going through. It was funny because at one point I was reading and rather then hearing words I just started looking at them on the paper. Then I remember (this is a specific memory I have because it seemed majour to me) how when I was little I didn't get reading very well, but finally it just clicked for me at once. One day around that time I was driving down young st. and I looked at the sings, I couldn't just see them, I HAD to read them and this really bothered me. I feel like I am doing a good thing when I become more like that (last night, not the reading thing). I think its removal of the ego, or super-ego. Since then I have felt more like I inhabit my body as a host rather then its just me, which makes me more connected and in control. I have been practicing since last night to keep it up it feels good.

Ego Tripping, I know what you mean about the everything belief. All paths are trying to say something good, and most say the same thing just differently. I like Christianity because it gives me a mission sort of feeling, as well as a label (western, christian etc... I can be like a paladin) even though these are just pride/ego things... I incorporate many different religions into my religion because I think they're all just saying the same thing, and I find that time and again in my own, the same thing others are saying.
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Since then I have felt more like I inhabit my body as a host rather then its just me, which makes me more connected and in control. I have been practicing since last night to keep it up it feels good.
Odd, I've felt this, almost overwhelmingly strong lately. Cool that someone else is going through this as well. I was mediatating a few nights ago and I realized that my breathing wasn't just breathing. While the Breath gives life to my body, what gives life to the Breath? I realized that the ability to expand and contract my lungs IS GOD. I realized and truly felt that life force flow through me. Breathing is as subconscious as a Heartbeat, yet I can take control over my Breath and in turn, affect my Heartbeat. Since that night, I've felt 'electrified.' I feel the Energy now, not my body. My Body is a mass of blood, skin and bones, but that's it. Without ME, it's just a mass of blood, skin and bones. It takes this breath, this energy, me, to make it Lars...to make it a Human Being. I am not Body.
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