Thepizzaguy

Take a pencil, pen, or prick your finger, and make a 2 straight lines on a piece of paper. The lines must cross, unless you have never ever seen or spoken to another person.

The cross, or intersection represents death.

The two line should continue past the intersection in the striaght line.

For those of you who say it's BS, then make one line die out upon touching the other line.


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I'm not quite sure what you're getting at there Thepizzaguy.

So what is it that carries on? What are "you" if you are not your body? I think we are a combination of our environment and the information stored and passed on in our DNA.

I'm information, basically, energy in the form of information. I know my energy is eternal, but it's not really "my" energy... it's just me for the time being.

Watching my lava lamp, I'm just a little blob which has detached from the Whole, floats up and sinks back, before rejoining the Whole again and getting all mixed around. Each blob has its own existence for a while, but it ultimately loses that when it becomes one with the rest of the... stuff...

Lava lamps hold much wisdom

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Ego Tripping

How am I my body? My body isn't my personality, my likes, my dislikes, my theories, my beliefs or my love. I only know my body by my perception and comparison to other things around me. I see myself as a Diamond or a Refractive/Reflective multi-faceted Crystal that simple reflects everything I see back onto the World through my perception. My Body is nothing more than something I use to better experience Life.

I think that's exactly what I am. Pure Consciousness that just uses the Brain as User would use a Remote Control Robot to explore an Enviroment (like the Spirit on Mars). Once the 'robot' shuts down, the User remains until it desires another host.

Great analogy! And IMO, you remember every form you take. We just forget for a little to better facilicate our experience. It has to be convincing if we are to learn our lessons. If there IS a God, he's trying VERY hard to stay out of view from us. I feel we're not supposed to know information about 'who we truly are' until we actively go searching for it...and that search entails one MUST have Faith that it's there. I happen to.

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Ego Tripping

People would call her 'crazy', amongst others who've experienced the same thing. I think the Western World's belief is the crazy one...there's so much evidence and experience from people that (indirectly) proves life after death (or at least full perception/consciousness without the Brain) but due to Science and the Dogmatic views of various religions and Science itself, these beliefs are kept at bay. I think that over time, as technology and Science becomes better and we have the ability to 'bring people back from the dead', more and more of these experiences will be distributed and a conciousness shift will occur.

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Kompressor

I'm all about the wheel of samsara.

The problem is, I haven't figured out if it's the elimination of karma or the accumulation of karma that will get me off this roundabout path to nowhere.

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Ego Tripping

You don't eliminate Karma or accumulate Karma...you merely direct which way it goes. Karma will still exist if you're the more pure soul on Earth, but it will be positive karma. It's simply action:reaction. If you want to clear your 'karmaic debt' I feel that all you must do is practice unconditional love and forgiveness. Easier said than done of course. The phrase WWJD, as cheesy as it has become, tends to help me guide myself on how to do this in certain situations.

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SweetSativa

I think that it's all about getting to the true core and getting rid of everything that doesn't originate there.


on a lighter note, Jesus died for our sins... so I say let's get our money's worth. (of course, I don't really believe in sin... only original sin)

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Kompressor

It was a subtle joke between Buddhism and Santana Dharma [Hinduism].

Buddhism is elimination of desire, even karma, to attain nirvana.

Santana Dharma is realizing the oneness of the world of maya, and karma is how we harmonize with Dharma and eventually the Brahman to attain moksha.

WWJD is a weird phrase for me, since Jesus has been theorized to be another reincarnation of Vishnu, appearing in the roughly 500 years of appearances, along with Muhammad [570 CE]. But, since Muhammad is 'the Seal of the Prohets,' none shall appear again.

Unconiditional love is all well and good, but I don't believe that alone with help you with anything. Written in the Isa Upanishads:

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UltraFace

I don't know what the afterlife is like, but if I had to guess I would say its a lot like sleeping with your brained turned off.

frendofthedevil

i have no idea what will happen after my body dies, but i know it cant end there, there has to be something more. This world is beautiful, but i know that it just cant be my last stop...

Ego Tripping

Yeah...my beliefs are just too personalized to really follow anything such as this. IMO, its an overcomplication. I'm happy knowing (to myself) that if I live out of Love and practice forgiveness, I'm making the world a better place and will not fail my mission as long as I continue to do so. But that's the beauty of this world...we all play our specific part.

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Kompressor

Well, what I'm saying is pretty close to the lava lamp analogy. Sorry if the terminology is a little hindering, but your beliefs can't really explain an afterlife any better than mine. In my non-revealed religion you gain the ultimate Truth once you've realized that you are apart of everything and everything is apart of you. Unfortunately, this isn't something that can just 'happen,' it has to be sought out carefully.

Living a life of love and forgiveness alone will still leave you craving for answers. You're doomed to repeat it if you don't learn anything.

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Ego Tripping

I agree entirely. And I'm definately not trying to explain it, that's quite impossible.

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SweetSativa

I do ... maybe somewhat like nirvana. A healing energy.

(well ummm... at least that's my interpretation... the essence of creation )

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Ego Tripping

Ah my friend...if I could put it into words, that would only show that I don't know what it is. It must be felt...and those that have felt it, know what I mean.

If I wanted to make a feeble attempt to explain it a bit more, I can only use another word...unconditional .

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SweetSativa

^You remember that (if you've seen it) part on 'Mask' where the kid is helping at a blind kids' camp.... how the girl did not understand "white" or "red" because she had been blind since birth... Since she was unable to understand these concepts, she had to be 'shown'... she had to be told in a language that made sense to her. The main character of the show had the desire to help her to experience these colors, the will to carry it through, and the way because of his empathy.

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Ego Tripping

I was actually going to relate this exactly to a color.

I find it intersting that the 3 major components of our experiences, Color, Emotion and Sound are all impossible to convey without direct experience. Our most fundamental foundations of our experiences transcend all language. The core of our being is completely a subjective experience.

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effervescence

the same goes for all of our senses, though. you couldnt explain taste, touch or smell to someone who's never tasted, felt, or smelt before.

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SweetSativa

I know that this question was directed to ET, but I'll give my view as well.

There is only energy until we give it attributes. you see the mirror around you as your mind reflects the attributes that we have given the world. When I say 'true love', I am talking about unconditional love. I don't know if I could say that I 'have it' but I can say that I have tasted it and that it is the core of healing.... THE CORE OF HEALING. There are definately different definitions of love and different ways to love someone. I think that when you begin to look into the core identity of others, you begin to love more unconditionally. But just for the heck of it, since you said that you do not have unconditional love, can you think of an example of why this is so?

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Ego Tripping

Of course I wrote an extensive response and my browser crashes. Bah. Here's my 2nd attempt.

We often think of Love as purely something emotional...and while this is true for any Human, I think of Love as something much larger than this. I asked myself, 'What are the qualities of Love?' Well, Love unites and binds. Love is unconditional. Love is total acceptance. Love is growth and progress. If you love your significant other, what you are saying is you accept them unconditionally, all faults included, for who they are. This goes for loving your Dog, your Car, yourself. It's an acceptance of something 'as it is', not desiring more out of it.

We only equate Love to something we feel, but I think it's the fundamental basis of EVERYTHING. It binds everything. It holds Atoms together and the Planets in line. We, as humans, have put different words on these seemingly distinct Forces for better understanding like Quantum Force and Gravity. I feel Love is the underlying 'sea' under the 'foam of reality' that we experience. When someone is 'going with the flow' and accepting the moment for what it is, we often feel peaceful, united, accompanied. We don't feel alone or segregated from the rest of 'everything else.' We are, at that point, truly going with the flow of everything in the Universe...and we as humans experience this act and occasion as the feeling we deem 'Love.' We tend to relate love to "good" and hate to "bad" but I find this description too dualistic. Love is everything and that includes the basis of Hate. I think when we feel Love, we aren't feeling a 'positive emotion' per se, we are simply just existing, just accepting. This is where the peaceful feeling of Love stems from, because during that moment, you just are. Love doesn't seek to find particulars, it just IS and just DOES. Love perpetuates even in the face of opposition.

This is, in my opinion, the essential teachings of Jesus Christ. Love your friends and love your enemies even more. Yes, this might lead to that enemy even going as far as taking your own life...it does not matter, Love them anyways, even more so. This is absurd to our Moralized thought nowadays, but I think the teachings apply more than ever right now. But this is what I feel is meant by his 'dying for our Sins.' He made the ultimate sacrifice not so we can Sin and get away with it...but to demonstrate that Love binds and heals all...even Death.

Love to me, is also the Spiral (Golden Mean). This part of my belief in Love becomes a bit too subjective for me to accurately portray, but I'll try. I myself have experienced this Spiral and what it really is. The Spiral holds many secrets to Life and Love especially. The Spiral doesn't need conditions, it simply turns, always coming and always going, always expanding. During most of our lives, we aren't spinning with the Spiral but mostly against it (but still spinning at a different rate)...this causes Friction (such as Hate, Fear, Ignorance). When one accepts and 'loves', one is now spinning along WITH Life, no more friction or abrasiveness. This causes a 'stillness' to occur because we are 'in sync', much like two gears finally clicking together and working in tandem, instead of say, shifting gears without a clutch. This is then in turn, related to Peace and Positivity. I think this is what the many Yogas mean when they refer to ending the 'turnings' of thought. Once you clear your mind, you enable your energies to flow right along side everything else, in sync. No more friction causing the desires and suffering we often relate to Ego and such. No more conditions, you simply are accepting all for what it IS, unconditionally.

You ask if I have unconditional Love. I say, yes, I do. While I don't practice it 24/7, this does not mean I don't strive to every single moment of my waking life. This relates to your Brad Warner article. When everything is ONE, there are no more conditions. When you realize that everything is ONE, you have no more scapegoats for your suffering. When everything is ONE, everthing just IS and thus, everything is Love. If have true Love for Life because I accept it for what it is, all faults and negatives included. Just as I would love my Girlfriend or Wife, I try everyday to share this acceptance with life entirely.

This is also why I feel I understand by "God is Love." Love is the only thing God CAN be because only Love would desire to create and grow. Hate and Fear do not desire to create, only de-construct or destroy. Light is Love because Love uncovers things for what they truly are, like shining a flashlight in a dark room (this is what I equate to 'exposure of Truth). Only Love could have unconditional mercy and forgiveness. God is Love because God is One, everything, complete and utter acceptance. God is a Love because God only seeks to expand and share and share and expand. Only when one goes against this progress do the 'negatives' we experience in life occur. But this doesn't mean that they are seperate...it simply means that we, as Humans, are spinning at different speeds and causing friction to occur. When we die, the Light and Love expose us for who we truly are. Once we die and relenquish the Ego (Jesus' Crucifixtion), we become Pure Love (acceptance, synchronization)...a nd if an Entitity has not learned these lessons, they simply continue to cause Friction, even in the next realms over. This is the meaning of 'Hell.' But I'll stop here before I get off track.

So in short, I think Love just Is. Whatever that entails along with it, so be it. I hope this clarifies a bit more what I feel.

The Beatles definately hit the mark right when they sang "All You Need Is Love."

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