Religious Tolerance - Page 3

Real Corona · 03-20-2005, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Canuck Wisdom

chocolate milk has the same value for you as white milk, it just tastes chocolatey

It has more sugar, and is therefore: not as healthy.

SweetSativa · 03-21-2005, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by v3d4

ive run into that same problem trying to explain "religious" or "spiritual" concepts to people who ask questions but then cant/wont accept any kind of answer i give them.
ive noticed that happens with science and logical concepts too.

thats how it is tho, i do my best to feed the baby wholesome nutritious food, but all she wants is chocolate milk and fruit loops

You're good

. Yeah, she just doesn't know... she hasn't had the experience of WITNESSing how nourishing the healthy food is for her body. She wont believe you just because you tell her how good it is for her, she likes the chocolate (who could blame her). I try to go for the healthy food that TASTES GOOD... some kids really like grapes and strawberries and apples and bananas.... and some like spinach (i've strange kids) and carrots and broccoli with cheese but the healthy food can be catered to ones liking and the chocolate as a treat occassionally never hurt anyone

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"Dr., it hurts when I do this... what should I do?"

"Don't do that!"

snapshot · 03-21-2005, 12:53 PM

Why ever start feeding your child unhealthy drinks and foods so they'd want it more? It seems reasonable to me to force them to like healthy foods because its the only choice you should ever give them. Let them find out on their own how great tasting the bad foods are.

Sugar420 · 03-21-2005, 01:10 PM

dont miss the point here:
wholesome nutritious food = discipline, morality, truth, goodness
junk food = selfishness, worldliness, waywardness, evil

SweetSativa · 03-21-2005, 02:27 PM

And so often it is all misunderstood... the healthy child is looked at by her peers with jealousy and even anger because she reverberates what she has witnessed as healthy food and the others believe that she thinks herself better than them. The ones eating unhealthy food are looked at by some others as lower (but the ones who see them this way are eating unhealthy food disguised as healthy food). If we have good food to share, we should just share the good food and not worry about what our dinner guests had last night. Give enough that they too can share.

Well, yeah... my head's always in that utopian cloud. You'll never believe this... but I can't help but share it (no symbolism.... correction... no intended or premeditated symbolism)... so funny... as I finished typing up this paragraph, I hear my four-year-old downstairs yell up at me (no joke), "Mom, can I have something healthy to eat?" lol

atantricchic · 03-21-2005, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by SweetSativa

And so often it is all misunderstood... the healthy child is looked at by her peers with jealousy and even anger because she reverberates what she has witnessed as healthy food and the others believe that she thinks herself better than them. The ones eating unhealthy food are looked at by some others as lower (but the ones who see them this way are eating unhealthy food disguised as healthy food). If we have good food to share, we should just share the good food and not worry about what our dinner guests had last night. Give enough that they too can share.

My sisters, you rock incessantly. You should come with a rocking disclaimer.

Now, I heard from a friendly nutritionist,

that sometimes the kids with the junk food can sense it's junky. It's never filling. Never satisfying. The kids that are eating healthy last longer with enrgy and accomplish more because THEY ARE WELL. They also get hungry less and are generally happier.

Some of the junk food bullies, though, often decide to pick on the healthy eater (out of the envy Sis Sativa re: to) instead of simply asking the healthy eater, "Hey! How do you stay so happy with so much energy and always in a good mood?" Cause I'm willing to to betcha anything, the healthy happy kid has already offered this info. And will share it on a dime.

That's how it is with the healthy people. They love to share the good news to others to see them well too. Must have something to do with being fulfilled and happy.

Junk food eaters rarely share... good thing, though. No one wants the misery.

atantricchic · 03-21-2005, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by snapshot182

Why ever start feeding your child unhealthy drinks and foods so they'd want it more? It seems reasonable to me to force them to like healthy foods because its the only choice you should ever give them. Let them find out on their own how great tasting the bad foods are.

Now, I thought on this awhile and I don't think that children really get to choose thiee content from the beginning. We are given a diet by our parents and healthy or unhealthy it does establish a pattern. But we can choose to continue it or break it.

I think it becomes a soul issue when the children get older ... are they more drawn to a healthier lifestyle and for what reasons is often determined by their own self-will.

Sometimes self-will if so strong and the resistance to change is so strong that we will try to change the entire world around us, to avoid changing a small thing within ourselves.

Sound silly?

It's the human condition for the weak in spirit. To try to torment every other healthy eater on the planet into changing to accomadate a few junkies eaters out of control desires... is insanity at best.

But more children will choose to resent the healthy eaters than will decide to change their own diet until they are happy with themselves.

Ultimately the choice of what you consume is in the hands of the consumer.

atantricchic · 03-22-2005, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by kosh

Not sure how this got into nutrition, but I guess its all related, esp considering how diet can effect changes in conciousness itself,and thus perception of much else.

Now that I thinkm of it, I can't picture a better symbolism to spiritual growth and development than nutrition and health of the human body.

Thanks for another kickass convo!

I'm going back to sleep...BRB

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Originally Posted by kosh

And hey, all the processed foods, ie preservative, colors...even flavours? What exactly do they mean by flavour? Artficial sweetner? See, if you get a cage of rats,and stick a certain chemical they're soft drink supply, and then you find that the rats partake of the drink more and more and in fact seem habituated to it, perhaps consumeing 50% more per day,and a preference for that drink than another with out the said chemical....you simply call the chem a flavour and thats how its all too commonly working these days and so the consumer is not really making that choice entirely, but maybe lulled into actual addictions, or compulsive eating, just as nicotine addicts get hooked too.

Like coca cola, in and of itself, could be behind a hell of a lot of obesity....addictive to some people. Maybe because of whats in it...associations... .certain trigger foods and or subtances that the body seeks out for equilibrium. Just that cigarettes are a very poor dilivery mechanism.

Maybe I should get a syringe and inject some of these "flavours" into Alexis carrots. Then she'll become addicted...lmao. haha, but really, I'm kinda seriously pondering doing that...

RockyRacoon · 04-01-2005, 08:09 PM

I tolerate alot of shit and religion is no differant. I draw the line when religion is used to make laws(outlawing gay marriage on a religous belief is horseshit) as well as getting preached on the the way to live my life.

BibleGuy · 10-10-2009, 01:01 AM

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Originally Posted by SweetSativa

How important is it to you? Where do we draw the line? Do you feel that it is safe to practice any religion (or spiritual practice) of your choice?

Neopagan faiths... great-grandmother... herbs that she needed to heal herself...'transcend ental meditation center'... too bad I can't openly express my spirituality... have to worry about not wearing my pentagram in the public

I knew some people once that asked the members of another religious group about their building "is that where the demons sit?" - Offensive ignorance. People freak out when they see a pentagram because they believe propaganda and don't know history. The inquisition burned people like your great grandmother for possessing their herbs - sheer evil self-righteous tyrrants. They scoff at things like TM because they don't understand that "the kingdom of heaven is within you". People believe all kinds of crap about those they see as being "other", and they live and act in fear

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My perspective:
If I try to restrict or suppress your faith, practice or presence then I am the criminal. When I suppress you I suppress myself. I will support your right to your religion, even if it is not my religion, so long as it doesn't harm anyone.

Christian: "And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise."

Hindu: "One should never do that to another which one regards as injurious to one’s own self. This, in brief, is the rule of dharma. Other behavior is due to selfish desires."

Confucianism: "Never impose on others what you would not choose for yourself."

Islam: "Hurt no one so that no one may hurt you."

Judaism: "That which is hateful to you, do not do to your fellow. That is the whole Torah; the rest is the explanation; go and learn."

Wiccan: "an ye harm none, do what ye will"

Sikhism: "Whom should I despise, since the one Lord made us all."

Taoism: "Regard your neighbor's gain as your own gain, and your neighbor's loss as your own loss."

What would the world be like if all people would live by this universal principle?

Peace

Juicy_J · 10-10-2009, 01:05 AM

The world would be different is about all I can say. With that said I gots love for one and all.

kamikazi89 · 08-07-2010, 04:58 AM

My youngest is a vegetarian

**SageTree** · 08-07-2010, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by kamikazi89

My youngest is a vegetarian

It's cool you accommodate that man. A lot of parents just might not care

so pat on the back brother!

**~~Dantastic~~** · 08-08-2010, 12:52 AM

Im so sick of all the Christian bashing on this site by ignortant people.

These people out there giving my faith a bad name are awful people and they dont love our Father, they know him not.

You do realize there are some of us who do study our Bibles and understand it and try to live by whats actually in there right?

You know were not all hateful murdering bigots?

You know most religions that claim God are of the devil. Catholics, Jehovah Witness, Mormons, even the 7th day Adventists believe some weird stuff.

Nobody's going to heaven based on a religious affiliation. You go to heaven for Believing in Jesus' sacrifice to benefit the all and that he was who he says. Then in that you will want to live better, is that so bad? Being saved doesn't make you some protesting mad mad spreading hate.

This is simple info people people, but you chose to be feed like sheep for the coming tribulation of the persecution of Christians and Jews.

Grieves · 08-08-2010, 01:03 AM

I think you are taking all the right steps towards salvation, just work on letting others find theirs at their own pace...These are steps we all take together, it isn't a race to the front of the line...

hijabihippie · 08-08-2010, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Dantastic

Im so sick of all the Christian bashing on this site by ignortant people.

These people out there giving my faith a bad name are awful people and they dont love our Father, they know him not.

You do realize there are some of us who do study our Bibles and understand it and try to live by whats actually in there right?

You know were not all hateful murdering bigots?

You know most religions that claim God are of the devil. Catholics, Jehovah Witness, Mormons, even the 7th day Adventists believe some weird stuff.

Nobody's going to heaven based on a religious affiliation. You go to heaven for Believing in Jesus' sacrifice to benefit the all and that he was who he says. Then in that you will want to live better, is that so bad? Being saved doesn't make you some protesting mad mad spreading hate.

This is simple info people people, but you chose to be feed like sheep for the coming tribulation of the persecution of Christians and Jews.

"Unto you be your way, and unto me be my way."

--The Qu'ran

**~~Dantastic~~** · 08-08-2010, 11:48 AM

Islam is ba'al worship....there I said it.

my_scatterheart · 08-08-2010, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Dantastic

ignortant .

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Originally Posted by Dantastic

Islam is ba'al worship....there I said it.

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**SageTree** · 08-08-2010, 05:52 PM

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From: Micah 6:8
....what is good. And what does the LORD require of you? To act justly and to love mercy and to walk humbly with your God.

I believe that God is found very deeply in the Silence. Like going bird watching, when we keep walking and searching, the birds elude us before we arrive there to see them. When we sit and wait, stilling ourself, birds magically begin to appear.

And I wonder....

What would a house of worship look like if people only came in to be in silence and didn't address each other? How would anyone know what you thought, or could we simply enjoy the company of other faithful people, who find hope inspiration and more in their own way of knowing how to connect with the Beloved.

Perhaps a hospital worship room. Hundreds of people pass through, practice their ritual quietly, due to the respect of silence, I can bet there is hardly ever, if, a harsh word passed between worshipers.

Namaste (The divine in me, honours the divine in you)
SageTree

my_scatterheart · 08-08-2010, 06:01 PM

"I started to think that perhaps silence is God. Perhaps God is silence — the shining, spinning ring 'of pure and endless light'. Perhaps God speaking is a 'verb', an act, but God in perfect self- communication, in love within the Trinity, is silent and therefore is silence. God is silence, a silence that is positive, alive, actual and of its 'nature' unbreakable. Perhaps the verb 'God' — speaking, creating — is one more reflex of the infinite generosity, the self-giving abandonment, the kenotic love of God. Perhaps the incarnation of the Word is but a secondary expression of that 'for our hardness of heart”. Far from 'all silence is waiting to be broken' perhaps all speech is crying out like a woman in travail' to be reabsorbed into silence, into death, into the liminal space that opens out into the presence of the everlasting silence."

03-21-2005, 12:53 PM	#43 (permalink)
snapshot no custom. customize Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: The unOriginal Rorschach. Posts: 19,302 Thanks: 15 Thanked 22 Times in 21 Posts	Why ever start feeding your child unhealthy drinks and foods so they'd want it more? It seems reasonable to me to force them to like healthy foods because its the only choice you should ever give them. Let them find out on their own how great tasting the bad foods are. __________________ We are all atheists about most of the gods that society has ever believed in. Some of us just go one god further. -Richard Dawkins

03-21-2005, 02:27 PM	#45 (permalink)
SweetSativa Lucid Daydreamer Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,930 Thanks: 26 Thanked 51 Times in 47 Posts	And so often it is all misunderstood... the healthy child is looked at by her peers with jealousy and even anger because she reverberates what she has witnessed as healthy food and the others believe that she thinks herself better than them. The ones eating unhealthy food are looked at by some others as lower (but the ones who see them this way are eating unhealthy food disguised as healthy food). If we have good food to share, we should just share the good food and not worry about what our dinner guests had last night. Give enough that they too can share. Well, yeah... my head's always in that utopian cloud. You'll never believe this... but I can't help but share it (no symbolism.... correction... no intended or premeditated symbolism)... so funny... as I finished typing up this paragraph, I hear my four-year-old downstairs yell up at me (no joke), "Mom, can I have something healthy to eat?" lol __________________ "Why is it that when people talk to God, we call it praying but when God talks to people, we call it crazy?"- Touched by an Angel http://www.youtube.com/user/immelody.../0/DDRj93dQ0O0

10-10-2009, 01:05 AM	#51 (permalink)
Juicy_J ¼Chemical Cousin¼ Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Midwest-(6)1(8) Posts: 858 Thanks: 117 Thanked 41 Times in 37 Posts	The world would be different is about all I can say. With that said I gots love for one and all. __________________ DRINKIN' BEER! "I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me". Hunter S. Thompson

08-08-2010, 01:03 AM	#55 (permalink)
Grieves The Worst Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Interstate 8 Posts: 12,077 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 2,552 Thanked 3,110 Times in 1,708 Posts	I think you are taking all the right steps towards salvation, just work on letting others find theirs at their own pace...These are steps we all take together, it isn't a race to the front of the line... __________________ "And no matter what they said dollar is not your friend and it's the feelings that are hard to know are the feelings that all come slow No matter what they said dollar is not your friend and these feelings that so hard to know are the feelings that wont let go No don't let go, till you find a home World Unite and I'll love you forever"

08-08-2010, 06:01 PM	#60 (permalink)
my_scatterheart Today, I am alive. Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: NJ Posts: 3,565 Thanks: 1,486 Thanked 3,323 Times in 1,870 Posts	"I started to think that perhaps silence is God. Perhaps God is silence — the shining, spinning ring 'of pure and endless light'. Perhaps God speaking is a 'verb', an act, but God in perfect self- communication, in love within the Trinity, is silent and therefore is silence. God is silence, a silence that is positive, alive, actual and of its 'nature' unbreakable. Perhaps the verb 'God' — speaking, creating — is one more reflex of the infinite generosity, the self-giving abandonment, the kenotic love of God. Perhaps the incarnation of the Word is but a secondary expression of that 'for our hardness of heart”. Far from 'all silence is waiting to be broken' perhaps all speech is crying out like a woman in travail' to be reabsorbed into silence, into death, into the liminal space that opens out into the presence of the everlasting silence." __________________ Be mindful even if your mind is full. -J. De La Vega

03-21-2005, 01:10 PM	#44 (permalink)
Sugar420 Freedom Bird Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 6,132 Thanks: 39 Thanked 176 Times in 728 Posts	dont miss the point here: wholesome nutritious food = discipline, morality, truth, goodness junk food = selfishness, worldliness, waywardness, evil

04-01-2005, 08:09 PM	#49 (permalink)
RockyRacoon Old School Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 141 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I tolerate alot of shit and religion is no differant. I draw the line when religion is used to make laws(outlawing gay marriage on a religous belief is horseshit) as well as getting preached on the the way to live my life.

08-08-2010, 12:52 AM	#54 (permalink)
~~Dantastic~~ Banned Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: A suburb Posts: 1,081 Thanks: 285 Thanked 325 Times in 219 Posts	Im so sick of all the Christian bashing on this site by ignortant people. These people out there giving my faith a bad name are awful people and they dont love our Father, they know him not. You do realize there are some of us who do study our Bibles and understand it and try to live by whats actually in there right? You know were not all hateful murdering bigots? You know most religions that claim God are of the devil. Catholics, Jehovah Witness, Mormons, even the 7th day Adventists believe some weird stuff. Nobody's going to heaven based on a religious affiliation. You go to heaven for Believing in Jesus' sacrifice to benefit the all and that he was who he says. Then in that you will want to live better, is that so bad? Being saved doesn't make you some protesting mad mad spreading hate. This is simple info people people, but you chose to be feed like sheep for the coming tribulation of the persecution of Christians and Jews.

08-08-2010, 11:48 AM	#57 (permalink)
~~Dantastic~~ Banned Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: A suburb Posts: 1,081 Thanks: 285 Thanked 325 Times in 219 Posts	Islam is ba'al worship....there I said it.

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