Talking to God - Page 10

Ego Tripping · 04-09-2005, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by North_of_Sanity

You can't even distinguish the difference between dreams and reality.

Neither can your brain. Your brain is such an idiot.

SweetSativa · 04-09-2005, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by North_of_Sanity

Man, you people are fucking idiots.

I'm out of here.

You can't even distinguish the difference between dreams and reality.

You know you're on drugs when.........

Hahahaha......

You're on a Spirituality Forum on a Stoner web-site getting all pissy about people who have a spiritual outlook and attempting to insult them by saying they're on drugs ! Ahahahahah muahahahaha bahahaha... that's just too funny.... or maybe it's all the beer i've drank ... either way... thanks

for the laugh.

Canuck Wisdom · 04-09-2005, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by North_of_Sanity

I understand what you're saying. And, in all honesty, I'm happy that it works for you.

I just hate when people say it's real. It's not. It's just an imaginary thing that makes you feel good.

Most of my family is Christian, and actually believe in Heaven and Hell and Armagedon. They look down on me for smoking marijuana like I'm a useless "sinner" whose going to be bathed in fire for eternity, and it drives me so crazy that I want to cut off all contact with them for being such brainwashed fucking numbskulls.

Some of them smoke cigarettes, and drink. But apparently that's O.K.

Thats okay, its still real though. I'm happy it worls for me too, when it doesn't its because I've fucked it up too, not because it doesn't work. I feel for your family, they like so many others have (in my mind) very misguided ideas of christianity. If they judge you for smoking weed. Its about love. God is love, and following the lords shepard is about becoming one with that love, judging you for using a substance that makes you feel good isn't very loving. If you get a thoroug understanding of the religion you can explain this too them. Jesus said, its not what goes in that defiles, but what comes out.

(BTW, NOS, when you call us names for disagreeing with you, you defile. Our opinion of you and your own soul with frustration. That goes for everyone else insulting him too. Including me if I've done it.)

SSD is right this is silly by now since no one seems to be evolving and growing in their beliefs... I am seeing lots of reasons to reinforce mine, thats another matter though.

Personally I can't deny any solid science, I can't deny any solid philosophy, and I can't deny any solid religion even the ones that arn't mine. I accept them all as what they are, excellent wisdom when understood and not used to justify sin. I have never found a problem with God though, or religon, I have only found greater understanding of the truths in this world.

The closing of open minds is a terrible terrible thing. Especially in the name of God, or atheism.

If I can talk to God, why can't God talk to me?

Mescalito · 04-09-2005, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by North_of_Sanity

Man, you people are fucking idiots.

I'm out of here.

You can't even distinguish the difference between dreams and reality.

You know you're on drugs when.........

Ahh some good points in waking life...

'Really, it's just about the two opposing states of consciousness, which don't really oppose at all. See, in the waking world, the neurosystem inhibits the activation of the vividness of memories. Now this makes evolutionary sense. See, you'd be maladapted for the perceptual image of a predator to be mistaken for the memory of one, and vice versa. If the memory of a predator conjured up a perceptual image, we'd be running off to the bathroom everytime we had a scary thought. So you have these seratonic neurons that inhibit hallucinations, that they themselves are inhibited, during REM [rapid eye movement] sleep. See, this allows dreams to appear real, while preventing competition from other perceptual processes. This is why dreams are mistaken for reality. To the functional system of neural-activity that creates our world, there is no difference between dreaming a perception and an action, and actually the waking perception and action.'

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ziplock · 04-09-2005, 11:45 PM

waking life is a great movie, my gf bought it yesterday

NOS, you are one funny, funny individual. thank you. honestly, this was great to read after getting blazed.

funky_unkle · 04-12-2005, 05:34 AM

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Originally Posted by North_of_Sanity

There is no proof that a higher being is trying to make contact with us. So why the fuck should I believe praying to my ceiling fan is good for anything?

Why not? Why not see if it's real? But of course you'll have to make yourself open to do that, God can't force you to believe in Him. You've already made up you mind, and that's kinda sad IMO.

Believe me, I know the difference between fooling myself and the faith God gives. But as with anything else, I have to try to start on a "ground zero" - that I DON'T know. Real faith can only come from God. As long as you've decided what to believe, you can't expect God to come roaring out of the sky to convince you. Be open.

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Originally Posted by North_of_Sanity

Most of my family is Christian, and actually believe in Heaven and Hell and Armagedon. They look down on me for smoking marijuana like I'm a useless "sinner" whose going to be bathed in fire for eternity, and it drives me so crazy that I want to cut off all contact with them for being such brainwashed fucking numbskulls.

I think I can see where you're coming from man, but don't let some idiot's religion ruin your personal faith and even your relationship with God.
Other people, even your family, have no place inbetween you and God.

SweetSativa · 04-12-2005, 06:13 AM

I'm a believer and I don't look down on you for anything. I might get pissy or tease ya but that's just my way. We've all got to live together so I think that treating each other with respect is far above caring what one another believes, spiritually. It really doesn't sound like the people who you are referring to treat you with any respect... but this is them, it's not God.... and it's not you. They are probably beautiful people who believe in what they say and what they preach but that is no excuse for treating you as something less than them... and is that REALLY the way that Jesus taught? He said, "That which you do unto the least of my brothers also you do unto me"... what this means to me is... everything that you do (be it 'positive', be it 'negative') is reflected back onto you (and in turn/ since we are one in the same/ back onto your savior). Don't let the knowledge of your own goodness turn on you. It doesn't matter what they think or what they say, you know what is inside of you. This is as much self-talk as it is talk to you, my friend. It's not necessary to believe in a Christian God (IMO)... but it is necessary to believe in your own goodness/ in your own love and beauty. Don't let them turn your focus from that... when you focus on those things within them, you are bringing them out in yourself. I'm honestly not preaching.... I feel the same way but now to a much lesser extent. It hurts to be judged... but in the end, there is only one judge... you decide...

"What your hands do,
It's your own eyes that've seen.
So won't you judge your actions
To make sure the results are clean?

It's your own conscience
That is gonna remind you
That it's your heart and nobody else's
That is gonna judge."

Bob Marley "PASS IT ON"!!!

North_of_Sanity · 04-17-2005, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Ego Tripping

"Until the 20th century, reality was everything humans could touch, smell,see, and hear. Since the inital publication of the Charged Electromagnetic Spectrum, Humans learned that what they can touch, smell, see, and hear...is less than one millionth of reality."

You cannot hear, taste, see, smell, or touch a Radio Wave. Yet it exists and I can prove it by turning my radio on. So do you not include Radio Waves in your definition of reality?

Hahahaha, moron.

You hear your radio, piss ant.

If the radio wave didn't cause you to hear your radio, it wouldn't be a radio fucking wave, would it?

If you didn't hear it, you wouldn't know it existed. Therefore, it wouldn't be a part of your reality.

Anyway, as usual, you totally fucked off the subject.

You were telling me reality is subjective. Sorry, you're wrong. Only people's interpretation of reality is subjective.

You can't even sense (see, hear, smell, taste, touch) an invisible being named "God", so...how is it it's part of reality?

How do you interpret something you can't sense in any way?

Ego Tripping · 04-17-2005, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by North_of_Sanity

You hear your radio, piss ant.

If the radio wave didn't cause you to hear your radio, it wouldn't be a radio fucking wave, would it?

If you didn't hear it, you wouldn't know it existed. Therefore, it wouldn't be a part of your reality.

So what if you don't have a radio around, does that mean it doens't exist? Funny, Science would say different.

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Anyway, as usual, you totally fucked off the subject.

You were telling me reality is subjective. Sorry, you're wrong. Only people's interpretation of reality is subjective.

Exactly. But all we HAVE is our interpretation. Thus, we have no ojective experience of Reality because there is no such thing as an objective experience. So saying its objective subjectively and it's entirely subjective is two ways of saying the same thing. Either way, the objective reality does not matter because its always distorted by our interpretation of it (see: Buddhism).

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You can't even sense (see, hear, smell, taste, touch) an invisible being named "God", so...how is it it's part of reality?

How do you interpret something you can't sense in any way?

Who says I don't sense God?

Since we all interpret reality subjectively as you stated, then you have no place to say no one doesn't speak to God. Maybe you're just not to that level yet.

This entire thread is directed at people at who do sense God and know the sense that I am referring to when I 'speak to God'. Others got it, so read their posts and hopefully open your narrow views more...there's more than meets the eyes, ears, noses, mouth and hands.

North_of_Sanity · 04-17-2005, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Ego Tripping

Who says I don't sense God?

Since we all interpret reality subjectively as you stated, then you have no place to say no one doesn't speak to God. Maybe you're just not to that level yet.

Whatever, man. Whatever!

Just give me an example of how you talk to God, this invisible being that reigns supreme over everyone from the sky. Maybe then my inferior stupor can attempt to live upto your superior intelligence.

Can you just admit you have nothing? It'd make this argument so much easier. This is getting to be as stupid as listening to aboriginals tell me they experience God after sniffing gasoline fumes.

Mescalito · 04-17-2005, 01:11 PM

^ Are you avin a larf?

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Darkfire · 04-17-2005, 01:14 PM

Hmm.. talking to god.... this is almost as stupid as that other thread....
Talking to god = talking to wall = talking to couch

North_of_Sanity · 04-17-2005, 01:15 PM

Or as I put it:

"Praying to ceiling fan."

ziplock · 04-17-2005, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by North_of_Sanity

If you didn't hear it, you wouldn't know it existed. Therefore, it wouldn't be a part of your reality. [here we see he establishes that if you cannot hear radio waves (ie u have no radio) they aren't part of your reality]

You were telling me reality is subjective. Sorry, you're wrong. Only people's interpretation of reality is subjective. [here he then contradicts that statement, saying no, the radio wave is part of reality regardless of if u can hear it or not. reality is out there, we interpret it. this makes me question if he knows for sure what reality is]

You can't even sense (see, hear, smell, taste, touch) an invisible being named "God", so... [here he then once again says he cant see, hear, smell, taste, touch an invisible thing (much like radio waves, ultra violet rays, x rays, etc) or sense it, so...] how is it it's part of reality? [he asks how these can be a part of reality if he cant (through his use of his bodily senses) detect it. implying a subjective reality, considering we all know there are radio waves out there even tho we cant hear them without a radio]

How do you interpret something you can't sense in any way? [you develope the tools neccessary to detect them so you can then interpret them. you obviously aren't hearing our radio waves]

EXPAND YOUR MIND

Ego Tripping · 04-17-2005, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by North_of_Sanity

Whatever, man. Whatever!

Just give me an example of how you talk to God, this invisible being that reigns supreme over everyone from the sky.

God is under your feet, not in the sky.

Mescalito · 04-18-2005, 05:36 AM

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Originally Posted by ziplock

EXPAND YOUR MIND

Nice analysis. heh

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Mull D · 04-18-2005, 12:08 PM

I used to have an open mind

but then my brains fell out

ziplock · 04-18-2005, 12:13 PM

i had an open brain and my mind soared away.

funky_unkle · 04-18-2005, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by North_of_Sanity

Can you just admit you have nothing? It'd make this argument so much easier.

Duh.

North_of_Sanity · 04-21-2005, 09:57 AM

Q: How do you interpret something you can't sense in any way?

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Originally Posted by ziplock

you develope the tools neccessary to detect them so you can then interpret them.

So...what tools have people developed to communicate with God?

Just because someone prays at their bedside. What is it that makes them think "God" is actually listening?

I hear Christians say "Oh, I have a personal relationship with Christ."

How so?

I'm not trying to be an ass. I'm just frustrated because I've asked this over and over again, and no one has an answer.

"The power of Christ this. The power of the Christ that."

What is it I'm missing?

04-12-2005, 06:13 AM	#187 (permalink)
SweetSativa Lucid Daydreamer Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,930 Thanks: 26 Thanked 51 Times in 47 Posts	I'm a believer and I don't look down on you for anything. I might get pissy or tease ya but that's just my way. We've all got to live together so I think that treating each other with respect is far above caring what one another believes, spiritually. It really doesn't sound like the people who you are referring to treat you with any respect... but this is them, it's not God.... and it's not you. They are probably beautiful people who believe in what they say and what they preach but that is no excuse for treating you as something less than them... and is that REALLY the way that Jesus taught? He said, "That which you do unto the least of my brothers also you do unto me"... what this means to me is... everything that you do (be it 'positive', be it 'negative') is reflected back onto you (and in turn/ since we are one in the same/ back onto your savior). Don't let the knowledge of your own goodness turn on you. It doesn't matter what they think or what they say, you know what is inside of you. This is as much self-talk as it is talk to you, my friend. It's not necessary to believe in a Christian God (IMO)... but it is necessary to believe in your own goodness/ in your own love and beauty. Don't let them turn your focus from that... when you focus on those things within them, you are bringing them out in yourself. I'm honestly not preaching.... I feel the same way but now to a much lesser extent. It hurts to be judged... but in the end, there is only one judge... you decide... "What your hands do, It's your own eyes that've seen. So won't you judge your actions To make sure the results are clean? It's your own conscience That is gonna remind you That it's your heart and nobody else's That is gonna judge." Bob Marley "PASS IT ON"!!! __________________ "Why is it that when people talk to God, we call it praying but when God talks to people, we call it crazy?"- Touched by an Angel http://www.youtube.com/user/immelody.../0/DDRj93dQ0O0

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North_of_Sanity Infidelous Borealis Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 5,861 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Or as I put it: "Praying to ceiling fan." __________________ "His professional diagnosis: Narcissistic Personality Disorder. My unprofessional diagnosis: Nut-Job!" - Jim Rome "I don't have a girlfriend. But I know a woman who would be upset if she heard me say that." - Mitch Hedberg "Condoms are stupid" - some dirty ho

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ziplock Dreamer of the dreams Join Date: May 2004 Location: British Columbia Posts: 2,110 Thanks: 15 Thanked 91 Times in 71 Posts	waking life is a great movie, my gf bought it yesterday NOS, you are one funny, funny individual. thank you. honestly, this was great to read after getting blazed.

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