Talking to God - Page 9

North_of_Sanity · 04-09-2005, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Ego Tripping

You're one hopeless son of a bitch.

Why don't you read and absorb the whole post, you cunt. Instead of just attacking the first line. I elaborated on the question. Read it before being a bitch!

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Originally Posted by North_of_Sanity

I'm not saying you shouldn't be spiritual. But can someone explain to me what "talking to God" is?

You say "reality is subjective." No, it's not. Reality is that which is absolute. We all dream at night, but none of it is "reality."

Having said that, can you really tell me "talking to God" is reality?

That's all I'm getting at. None of your "godly experiences" are real. They're all manifestations of your mind, just like dreams.

You just dream up what you think "God" is, and you follow it. Sure! But, it's not reality.

Reality is not subjective. People's view on "God" is subjective, and people's beliefs as to why unexplained things happen is subjective. That's it!

Can you see where I'm getting at now that you've read the whole post?

North_of_Sanity · 04-09-2005, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by funky_unkle

you seem to acknowledge that there's probably a creator, but refuse to belive that he/she/it either will, can, or wants to have some contact with us.

That's exactly my point.

There is no proof that a higher being is trying to make contact with us. So why the fuck should I believe praying to my ceiling fan is good for anything?

This I am asking you. Why should I believe in "God?" Why should I pray to my ceiling fan?

I'm not being condescending. I'm just frustrated because no one has yet given me a reason to believe in some invisible force and never does anything.

It's still my stance that all "godly experiences" you speak of is just your imagination creating an outlet for you to find meaning in your life, but none of it is reality.

EgoTrip says "reality is subjective." No, it's not. I cannot see a higher being,, I cannot hear a higher being, I cannot touch a higher being.

Therefore, how is it you can call it reality? You can't! It's fucking manifestation of your mind.

If it works for you and makes you happy. Then fuckin' super. But don't say it's real because it's NOT.

snapshot · 04-09-2005, 12:47 PM

I think you need a more thorough scientific understanding of reality NoS. I don't think you're catching everything if you think that reality is objective.

Canuck Wisdom · 04-09-2005, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by North_of_Sanity

This I am asking you. Why should I believe in "God?" Why should I pray to my ceiling fan?

Amung other reasons, having real faith in God will bring you alot of peace and serenity. You will stay more in tuned with reality and less with your ego if you talk to the infinite silence rather then idols such as your celiing fan, people you imagine yourself talking to in your head, or the pope for example.

You will worry less and be happier, more absorbed in the moment and more able to forgive the mistakes of others if you believe God's always loving and looking out for you. Not to say you can't do that already, maybe you have absolutly no need for it in fact, but everyone has troubles in their life and a little help never hurt anything but pride.

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Originally Posted by North_of_Sanity

If it works for you and makes you happy. Then fuckin' super. But don't say it's real because it's NOT.

Man reality is subjective, if I believe 100% that I am talking to God, then for me it affects me in all ways as if I was talking to God, even though I am not (going by what your saying, which is a fair arguement).

I agree, if I take something and just twist it in my mind and say oh thats God talking to me, then its more my ego then anything, like your saying. This however, does not negate the fact that there are times where I feel so connected with truth and peacefull wonder that its undeniable that the objective spirit of the universal order on whole is communicating with my conciousness, before I even label it with words and titles such as "God", in an attempt to form it into something I can communicate to my fellow humans.

Though this is simplified and makes it seem like a mere psychological issue. Thats what you seem to want to hear about though.

hammerhead · 04-09-2005, 01:33 PM

i believe in god, and i believe he is a nice guy, just an average dude, not high and mighty or anything, yeah, i talk to god all the time

snapshot · 04-09-2005, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by snapshot182

I think you need a more thorough scientific understanding of reality NoS. I don't think you're catching everything if you think that reality is objective.

You really need to explain yourself more.

North_of_Sanity · 04-09-2005, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Canuck Wisdom

Amung other reasons, having real faith in God will bring you alot of peace and serenity. You will stay more in tuned with reality and less with your ego if you talk to the infinite silence rather then idols such as your celiing fan, people you imagine yourself talking to in your head, or the pope for example.

You will worry less and be happier, more absorbed in the moment and more able to forgive the mistakes of others if you believe God's always loving and looking out for you. Not to say you can't do that already, maybe you have absolutly no need for it in fact, but everyone has troubles in their life and a little help never hurt anything but pride.

Man reality is subjective, if I believe 100% that I am talking to God, then for me it affects me in all ways as if I was talking to God, even though I am not (going by what your saying, which is a fair arguement).

I agree, if I take something and just twist it in my mind and say oh thats God talking to me, then its more my ego then anything, like your saying. This however, does not negate the fact that there are times where I feel so connected with truth and peacefull wonder that its undeniable that the objective spirit of the universal order on whole is communicating with my conciousness, before I even label it with words and titles such as "God", in an attempt to form it into something I can communicate to my fellow humans.

Though this is simplified and makes it seem like a mere psychological issue. Thats what you seem to want to hear about though.

I understand what you're saying. And, in all honesty, I'm happy that it works for you.

I just hate when people say it's real. It's not. It's just an imaginary thing that makes you feel good.

Most of my family is Christian, and actually believe in Heaven and Hell and Armagedon. They look down on me for smoking marijuana like I'm a useless "sinner" whose going to be bathed in fire for eternity, and it drives me so crazy that I want to cut off all contact with them for being such brainwashed fucking numbskulls.

Some of them smoke cigarettes, and drink. But apparently that's O.K.

Ego Tripping · 04-09-2005, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by North_of_Sanity
That's all I'm getting at. None of your "godly experiences" are real. They're all manifestations of your mind, just like dreams.

The mind rarely wakes up from a Dream because it assumes its just as 'real' as what you're doing now.

Your waking reality is a 'manifestation of your mind.' All your consciousness is supposedly created from the chemical reactions in your brain, nothing more. Thus, your waking reality AS YOU READ THIS is simple a 'creation of the mind', and that's a conclusion that Science has come to. So if they are both simple manifestations of the mind, how can you say what is 'real' and 'unreal'?

This should make him reach for the Tylenol....

North_of_Sanity · 04-09-2005, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Ego Tripping

The mind rarely wakes up from a Dream because it assumes its just as 'real' as what you're doing now.

Your waking reality is a 'manifestation of your mind.' All your consciousness is supposedly created from the chemical reactions in your brain, nothing more. Thus, your waking reality AS YOU READ THIS is simple a 'creation of the mind', and that's a conclusion that Science has come to.

So now what?

So first reality is subjective, now nothing is real.

I just can't win, can I?

Ego Tripping · 04-09-2005, 01:57 PM

Where did I say that? Please highlight the sentence verbatim, otherwise you're putting words in my mouth.

You can't seem to read a post and reponding without already knowing what you're going to say before you read it.

North_of_Sanity · 04-09-2005, 02:01 PM

Reality is that which you can sense. Touch, taste, hear, smell, feel.

Fair enough?

Enough fucking scientific rhetoric, already.

Can you touch, taste, smell, hear, or feel God?

No! So don't tell me God is real and this reality is subjective

snapshot · 04-09-2005, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by North_of_Sanity

So first reality is subjective, now nothing is real.

I just can't win, can I?

From the standpoint of quantum physicists reality is subjective. It's the wave/particle phenomenon of light. It's different depending on if it's being observed. We can deduce that it is at least in part our reality and that it needs an observer.

But when scientists lookde around in the brain they realized there was no specific "observer." We can't see the observer but we see what is observed. If there is an objective reality it is the collective of the subjective because there is no separation. We are all connected.

SmokeSomeDoja · 04-09-2005, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by North_of_Sanity

Reality is that which you can sense. Touch, taste, hear, smell, feel.

i can think of a few billion people that would disagree with you on that...

North_of_Sanity · 04-09-2005, 02:10 PM

Do I honestly have to refer to a dictionary to describe what reality is?

Are you people that fucking retarded?

snapshot · 04-09-2005, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by North_of_Sanity

Do I honestly have to refer to a dictionary to describe what reality is?

Are you people that fucking retarded?

No. You need the lastest scientific articles.

Mescalito · 04-09-2005, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by North_of_Sanity

Reality is that which you can sense. Touch, taste, hear, smell, feel.

Fair enough?

Enough fucking scientific rhetoric, already.

Can you touch, taste, smell, hear, or feel God?[/SIZE]

You compared reality to dreams earlier.. have you never remembered having these senses in your dream? Because i can asure you that i have experienced what you would call 'ordinary' senses in dreams.. lucid or not.

If you can tell me anything that makes dreaming different from waking life ill send you a lil green nugget in the post.

M

North_of_Sanity · 04-09-2005, 02:15 PM

Man, you people are fucking idiots.

I'm out of here.

You can't even distinguish the difference between dreams and reality.

You know you're on drugs when.........

SmokeSomeDoja · 04-09-2005, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by North_of_Sanity

Do I honestly have to refer to a dictionary to describe what reality is?

Are you people that fucking retarded?

nos, it may be hard for you to swallow, but i know that you are not right, and i know that you are not the sole holder/carrier of knowledge.

right now, im reading a pulitzer prize book on exactly this subject. and, from what ive read, i can honestly say you know nothing to very little about the subject.

so what everyone in this thread thats debating you should just realize this and stop this stupid thread from continuing. why should i waste my time? its like explaining to bill o'reilly why the iraq war is wrong. or trying to explain to a die-hard "patriot" that america does many bad things in the world. its futile. so fuggit.

Ego Tripping · 04-09-2005, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by North_of_Sanity

Reality is that which you can sense. Touch, taste, hear, smell, feel.

"Until the 20th century, reality was everything humans could touch, smell,see, and hear. Since the inital publication of the Charged Electromagnetic Spectrum, Humans learned that what they can touch, smell, see, and hear...is less than one millionth of reality."

You cannot hear, taste, see, smell, or touch a Radio Wave. Yet it exists and I can prove it by turning my radio on. So do you not include Radio Waves in your definition of reality?

Hahahaha, moron.

snapshot · 04-09-2005, 03:00 PM

Incubus.

04-09-2005, 12:47 PM	#163 (permalink)
snapshot no custom. customize Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: The unOriginal Rorschach. Posts: 19,302 Thanks: 15 Thanked 22 Times in 21 Posts	I think you need a more thorough scientific understanding of reality NoS. I don't think you're catching everything if you think that reality is objective. __________________ We are all atheists about most of the gods that society has ever believed in. Some of us just go one god further. -Richard Dawkins

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Ego Tripping Are you in? Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 13,468 Thanks: 229 Thanked 665 Times in 443 Posts	Where did I say that? Please highlight the sentence verbatim, otherwise you're putting words in my mouth. You can't seem to read a post and reponding without already knowing what you're going to say before you read it. __________________ God appears, and God is light, To those poor souls who dwell in night; But does a human form display To those who dwell in realms of day.

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North_of_Sanity Infidelous Borealis Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 5,861 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Reality is that which you can sense. Touch, taste, hear, smell, feel. Fair enough? Enough fucking scientific rhetoric, already. Can you touch, taste, smell, hear, or feel God? No! So don't tell me God is real and this reality is subjective __________________ "His professional diagnosis: Narcissistic Personality Disorder. My unprofessional diagnosis: Nut-Job!" - Jim Rome "I don't have a girlfriend. But I know a woman who would be upset if she heard me say that." - Mitch Hedberg "Condoms are stupid" - some dirty ho

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North_of_Sanity Infidelous Borealis Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 5,861 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Do I honestly have to refer to a dictionary to describe what reality is? Are you people that fucking retarded? __________________ "His professional diagnosis: Narcissistic Personality Disorder. My unprofessional diagnosis: Nut-Job!" - Jim Rome "I don't have a girlfriend. But I know a woman who would be upset if she heard me say that." - Mitch Hedberg "Condoms are stupid" - some dirty ho

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North_of_Sanity Infidelous Borealis Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 5,861 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Man, you people are fucking idiots. I'm out of here. You can't even distinguish the difference between dreams and reality. You know you're on drugs when......... __________________ "His professional diagnosis: Narcissistic Personality Disorder. My unprofessional diagnosis: Nut-Job!" - Jim Rome "I don't have a girlfriend. But I know a woman who would be upset if she heard me say that." - Mitch Hedberg "Condoms are stupid" - some dirty ho

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snapshot no custom. customize Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: The unOriginal Rorschach. Posts: 19,302 Thanks: 15 Thanked 22 Times in 21 Posts	Incubus. __________________ We are all atheists about most of the gods that society has ever believed in. Some of us just go one god further. -Richard Dawkins

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