Ego Tripping

If the opposite of a regular Dream is a Lucid Dream and is achieved be self-awareness that one is Dreaming, then is Lucid Living the essence of questioning your existance and thus create self awareness in the living state?

When one becomes lucid or 'aware' in a Dream, the world around becomes infinitely more "real" and detailed and such.

When one becomes Lucid or 'aware' while Waking, the world around ALSO becomes more 'real' and detailed (i've noticed this myself ever since I've begun my path...Sanchez knows what I am talking about hehe).

So perhaps this lesson is that the Yin/Yang of Dreaming ALSO applies in our Awake state...which even further blurs the line of "reality". So to every state of consciousness, there are two dueling states of 'awareness'.

Thus its not Waking and Dreaming but Waking and Awareness.

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SmokeSomeDoja

lucid dreaming is not any more real than being awake, imho

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Ego Tripping

I find it way more real. I've seen colors and shapes I can't find words to describe because I've never seen them before (weirdest feeling btw)...I dunno, its VERY hard to describe something that felt more real than real. Much like a hard trip.

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SmokeSomeDoja

so, is shrooms more real than lucid dreaming, or more real that waking sober reality? imo, no. just different reflections of a concrete reality that we cant fully grasp

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"I've run over black cats that were luckier than me."

Canuck Wisdom

More then just questioning your existence, but honestly changing the beliefs you have engrained in you about the limits of reality and you become more aware.

My honest belief is that I cannot walk on water, if I was more aware of reality perhaps I could.

Ever wonder if we are such sorry excuses for humans. Perhaps in the ancient past people had lucid dreams most every night and sleeping was more then a time to wear off the day but a balancing of reality with the false precepts we've built up in our waking minds. Our dreams keep us from loosing touch with the truth. Nowadays, or for me at least, people have such little value for dreams besides something that happens while I get ready for the next day in my bed.

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budman84

Not trying to go off topic here but have you guys ever had a recurring dream? I had the same dream 3 times when I was younger. I remember the "nightmare" very clearly. It is very dark, me and my mom hop into her car and drive down the street to the bank. i remember looking at the streetlights they seemed very bright. we arrive at the bank a short time later and my mom pulls next to the atm. when she opens the window and puts her card in the machine I notice a very bright light coming towards us from the distance. i tell my mom there is a ufo coming towards us. she looks over and I look back and there is this huge ufo flying orbiting above us....thats about the time I wake up...

maybe dreams cause deja vu in real life...the feeling that you've met this person before, maybe you've met them in your dreams...

SmokeSomeDoja

i think that may be just meeting a person you met from a past life, or an important person in one of your past lives, or merely reminds you of someone from your past life

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"I've run over black cats that were luckier than me."

Ego Tripping

Well, both. I think reality is subjective. What I can grasp others cannot. But yet to both, they are 'concrete.'

Shrooms are basically what our waking reality could be if we were spiritually advanced enough. All it is is basically more information getting in.

I feel the same, there IS a concrete reality that we cannot fully grasp and I feel the Brain is what limits that grasp. That limit is dependent from person to person...and that is dependent on how much that person WANTS to see in the first place.

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SmokeSomeDoja

i know that. reality is subjective to the individual's point of view, but i believe there is a fundamental underlying reality (that we cant perceive..i.e. the concepts of contemporary physics). shrooms isnt "more" information getting through, its different information getting through.

the brain limits what we grasp obviously, in the physical realm. we cant sense magnetism, thats because we dont have the physical ability.

im not seperating the physical with the spiritual, just the physical in our waking physical sober realities.

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"I've run over black cats that were luckier than me."

Ego Tripping

I see what you mean. I always just get to the root of things...the spiritual reality is no less homogenous than this reality is to someone that doesn't understand it yet (ie...a growing child). At our finest levels, our 'concrete' world dissolves into mostly empty space and ideas. The same concrete that composes the Brain which percieves this concrete to begin with. So I'm basically thinking with mostly empty space and ideas? So much perception exists outside of physical sense that we use daily but never attune because we're so used to being told otherwise.

Ill stop before I ramble...

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Mescalito

Word Again!

I dont believe in things being 'more real' or 'less real' though, i prefer the thoughts that words such as vividness and lucidness provoke, when talking about the reality as the experience which is percieved.

I like to keep my beliefs on dreams and waking life simple. I think of them both not as opposing states but as degrees on this one path of perception called reality. This variation is of course very very fun. Im talking about fun with a capital F. Desire is increased a million times.. suddenly you have all these options which before, with just your waking life are not as easily attainable. Now i can see out my knee, fly without a fucking plane, go to pluto in less than a million years, swim to the bottom of the sea.. i could go on and on. My point is to anyone who doesnt believe me.. unlucky.. and to anyone who has the slightest belief that there is something worth looking into here... go for it. You will not comprehend the feelings and the change in your whole reality untill you start learning. Put your energy into something very worthwhile.

If youve ever tediously prepared a psychedelic brew for days on end and your mindstate before you began the journey then you will have enough desire and discipline to learn this. If the desire is there the discipline to learn and succeed follows automatically.

Went a bit off topic there. But meh, i want the people that exist in my reality as well as myself to be happy. And to be really honest waking dreams are definately the best thing i could and will ever reccomend to anyone. Its a whole new world.

M

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Jungle Monkey

the blackadder

I believe that we could trancendentally meditate into a state close to what mushrooms give us. The strangest thing about a mushroom trip, is that close to the end you really identify with what is important in life and what is just extra baggage.

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kRad

I think I understand what you mean. After my experiences with psychedelics I feel myself more aware and all the ways I view life is different. I also have a sence of feeling somewhere eles now, i seem to question all the things around me, the feeling of not knowing if something is real or not. I dont know how to explain it, to small of a vocabulary.

Paranoid Android

It's not always a person that people have Deja Vu with.

I've had multiple Deja Vu's based just on my surroundings and what's currently happening around me, etc...

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Ego Tripping

There are a few Zen Masters that have taken mushrooms/acid and said its very similiar to when they reach Enlightenment in their meditations.

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Ego Tripping

Yeah, ever since my shroom trips and subsequent experiences/progress in my spirituality, I seemed to be developing a "sixth sense."

Not in the way where I read minds or get visions or anything...but I feel peoples emotions, I see Rainbows around bright lights and Sunlight, I detect numbers around me, synchrocities and an energy that I really can't describe as anything other than a "bright love" inside of me.

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Mescalito

Yeah ive read that somewhere.. i think it was the psychedelic experience or the holographic universe or some book like that. The zen dude said it was the first bardo on the way to enlightenment. Ive still to try out the guide to enlightenment.. its definately an event which will take place very soon. I kinda always figured it would be easier to reach on my own rather than someone guiding me to it.. but i guess weather the guide is in waking life or deep in your trip mind is not that important.

The mint thing for the zen masters is that theyve basically learned to reach all bardos without ingesting a chemical. It would be very interesting to see if they had different levels of hallucinogenic compounds in their bodies during meditation. I can imagine it will be the case that they are actually facillitating a change in their own natural levcels of these compounds.. or maybe even consciously controlling their production.

M

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Mescalito

No shit man.. i swear ive started to become more perceptive to auras around things after tripping so many times. My sight is starting to get a bit messed up though.. for the better? im not sure yet.

M

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Jungle Monkey

Ego Tripping

Have you done DMT?

I find it very intersesting that its the most powerful hallucinogenic in existance but already exists in the Brain. 49 days after conception, the Pineal Gland opens and floods the brain with DMT. Could this be the 'life energy' that drives our heart to beats every second?

I suppose I would call that energy a Soul. And whos to say that energy didn't contain ALL of who we were and going to be before it ever entered this transient, decaying physical body?

And I suppose smoking it/ingesting that chemical is basically equivalent to 'opening the flood gates' (or in this case, the Chakras and Third Eye at once) and we go back to what we TRULY are.

I've read trip reports where people have spent LIFETIMES during a DMT trip in another world. Some report spending weeks, building a new life and everything. And the entire duration of the trip is only 30 seconds.

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SweetSativa

Wherever you go, there you are.

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