The secret about this current "spiritual" movement.... - Page 2

snapshot · 10-27-2005, 05:31 PM

a belief in paradoxes and trying to acheive human perfection isn't so much a religion. It's just a way of life.

Mescalito · 10-28-2005, 02:06 AM

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"religious" is a term that has a rather broad application. i don't really like using it, just seems to doom any conversation it enters.

Right on!

M

Hydrogonian · 11-03-2005, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by SsiK

Some of you aren't getting it.

All I am saying is that this "spiritual movement" takes on characteristics of a religion, possibly a religion in the making so to speak. I'm not asking any questions here. Duh...........
.......goddammit nevermind mods just delete this thread.

Whoa, chill.

put like that even my straight self can understand what you mean.

Hm I agree with you and I posted more about that somewhere....brb.

There it is

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The new Age - It's all about You! < druidofpeace > 10/29 16:44:41

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A person gave what I thought the best definition not long ago.

"The New Age is about cutting out the middle man."

And by the Gods if you think about it, other than channeling and basic guiding its true. People are tired of being told what they have to belive and that there is a central way to God(dess)and to get there you have to go through/by this set dogma.

And the tag "new age"? I think it was created by those too scared to call themselves Pagans...cause I got a news flash, YOU ARE!!! And as the Guess Who sang "And will aaaaaall probably end up down there together, when it's all over!" according to them.(Wheatfield Soul) Hehehe!

So in summery, The new age is really about connecting with the old Gods/Faith and a closer personal relation with the unknown "OM". The difference between That and Paganism??? About $150 an hour from what I've seen.

Oh Hi everyone. (Bowing) Name's Twig. The Druid of Peace. Yeah, that'll make for a good first post, aye?

Peace!
Rev. R. Twig Jones

Personally,
I see the new age as just another Pagan Path and it will probably be integrated into the umbrella of Paganism (because of the federal recognition inherant if nothing else) as a whole and then those moral majoristic assholes will start thumpin their bibles and.....well, lets not go there.

Peace

SsiK · 11-03-2005, 04:02 PM

Another thing I find extremely hilarious is a lot of these "spiritual" people act like they are on the road to enlightenment or greater understanding when they are really just as biased and clueless as the ones they condem.

The Rev · 11-04-2005, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by SsiK

I have taken notice that a lot of people, not just here, but everywhere, feel they are liberated from religion. Regardless of their "religious" beliefs, regardless if they are atheist or agnostic, whatever they may be, a lot of these liberated people turn to another form of spirituality in retaliation. What one may call "New Age concepts," these folk believe in reincarnation, OOBE's, spiritual progression, not necessarily in that order or even all of the above, but you catch my drift. The funny thing is, is a lot of these believers in these certain concepts are so immured within their tenacious beliefs in them that this "New Age movement" has become a new religion without these people even realizing it. It is hilarious every time I come to this website. I find it extremely funny that when I try and challenge other people's beliefs and opinions on this concepts, they lash out..............rem iniscent of what a follower of Christianity might do had you challenged his belief in a single omnipotent, emotional God. I don't know exactly when it happened......when these scenario's of reincarnation and energy fields and all that other stuff evolved from each autononomous concept into a piece of a whole plethora of faith, but I do know one thing. Faith, as well as its twin brother Hope, comes fully equipped with this spiritual movement. What other beliefs rely on faith and hope? Hmmmmm....I will have to ponder that one for quite a bit.

I think all spiritual movements begin as rebellion against old spiritual movements. Consider the rise of Protestantism as an example (the word "protest" is right in there). Interestingly enough, too, early Christians were more like New Age mystics today than like their modern Christian counterparts. Prayer, then, had more in common with meditation (quieting the mind and concentrating on God to receive His message, etc.)

Probably, if New Age religious ideas catch on and gel into a successful long term "faith," you will see the same onset of conservatism, and the resulting intolerance.

I think it's just a matter of human nature. Beliefs are often necessary parts of people's idea of "self" and defending the "self" is natural behavior. Challenges to beliefs are seen as personal attacks by many, and I think the only way around that is for each of us to reconsider what the "self" is, free of it's attachments to ideas and things.

And, that should happen in about 10,000 years.

The Rev

The Rev · 11-04-2005, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by SsiK

Another thing I find extremely hilarious is a lot of these "spiritual" people act like they are on the road to enlightenment or greater understanding when they are really just as biased and clueless as the ones they condem.

I see this alot, too, but I don't find it hilarious. I find it frustrating.

The Rev

SsiK · 11-04-2005, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by The Rev

I see this alot, too, but I don't find it hilarious. I find it frustrating.

The Rev

Well I find it damn well funny!!!

Waves · 11-04-2005, 04:16 PM

i find it funny how alot of these "agnostic" or "athiest" people act like they know the truth when in fact they are just as clueless as the rest of us.

The Rev · 11-04-2005, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Waves

i find it funny how alot of these "agnostic" or "athiest" people act like they know the truth when in fact they are just as clueless as the rest of us.

True. "There is no God" is just as impossible to prove as "There is a God."

The Rev

kRad · 11-04-2005, 04:19 PM

well put

Waves · 11-04-2005, 04:21 PM

beliefs are a funny thing, luckily i can see right through them

all athiests need are some drugs.

really though, believe what you want to believe, we all die someday. if believing that your ancestors were aliens from another planet gets you through A Day Of Life i say go for it. If you feel the need to believe that we are simple biological organisms, robots conditioned to respond in different ways to different stimuli, do it, it doesnt effect me in any way, shape, or form.

we all have beliefs, and we all find evidence for our beliefs in reality. if reality was NOT subjective, how could this be true?

SsiK · 11-07-2005, 03:09 PM

I don't believe in the God spoken of in the Bible. A god of primitive emotions and actions. However, I do not doubt the existence of a "god," though I had admitted to myself us mortals could not comprehend such power, such infinity. I'll admit that I am clueless, however I honestly think some people here are afraid of dieing and not consciously knowing what comes next, or what it is, was, or was meant to be and so they turn to these esoteric spiritual movement of beliefs for hope. I guess it is just something you have to admit to yourself, good luck.

SsiK · 11-07-2005, 03:10 PM

And yeah Waves you are right, all atheists need are some drugs. And all spiritualists need some anti depressants and all hyper kids need to be fed Ritalin like it's candy and dammit as a matter of fact everyone in this world needs to be on something because this place is so fucked up!

10-27-2005, 05:31 PM	#21 (permalink)
snapshot no custom. customize Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: The unOriginal Rorschach. Posts: 19,302 Thanks: 15 Thanked 22 Times in 21 Posts	a belief in paradoxes and trying to acheive human perfection isn't so much a religion. It's just a way of life. __________________ We are all atheists about most of the gods that society has ever believed in. Some of us just go one god further. -Richard Dawkins

11-03-2005, 04:02 PM	#24 (permalink)
SsiK IRATE!!!!!!!!!! Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 742 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Another thing I find extremely hilarious is a lot of these "spiritual" people act like they are on the road to enlightenment or greater understanding when they are really just as biased and clueless as the ones they condem. __________________ Rock on dude. Yep you know it... I'm pissed!

11-04-2005, 04:16 PM	#28 (permalink)
Waves Duderino Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: chiburbs Posts: 15,405 Thanks: 991 Thanked 4,036 Times in 2,224 Posts	i find it funny how alot of these "agnostic" or "athiest" people act like they know the truth when in fact they are just as clueless as the rest of us. __________________ On this life that we call home The years go fast and the days go so slow

11-04-2005, 04:21 PM	#31 (permalink)
Waves Duderino Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: chiburbs Posts: 15,405 Thanks: 991 Thanked 4,036 Times in 2,224 Posts	beliefs are a funny thing, luckily i can see right through them all athiests need are some drugs. really though, believe what you want to believe, we all die someday. if believing that your ancestors were aliens from another planet gets you through A Day Of Life i say go for it. If you feel the need to believe that we are simple biological organisms, robots conditioned to respond in different ways to different stimuli, do it, it doesnt effect me in any way, shape, or form. we all have beliefs, and we all find evidence for our beliefs in reality. if reality was NOT subjective, how could this be true? __________________ On this life that we call home The years go fast and the days go so slow

11-07-2005, 03:09 PM	#32 (permalink)
SsiK IRATE!!!!!!!!!! Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 742 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I don't believe in the God spoken of in the Bible. A god of primitive emotions and actions. However, I do not doubt the existence of a "god," though I had admitted to myself us mortals could not comprehend such power, such infinity. I'll admit that I am clueless, however I honestly think some people here are afraid of dieing and not consciously knowing what comes next, or what it is, was, or was meant to be and so they turn to these esoteric spiritual movement of beliefs for hope. I guess it is just something you have to admit to yourself, good luck. __________________ Rock on dude. Yep you know it... I'm pissed!

11-04-2005, 04:19 PM	#30 (permalink)
kRad Infinity Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 484 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	well put

11-07-2005, 03:10 PM	#33 (permalink)
SsiK IRATE!!!!!!!!!! Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 742 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	And yeah Waves you are right, all atheists need are some drugs. And all spiritualists need some anti depressants and all hyper kids need to be fed Ritalin like it's candy and dammit as a matter of fact everyone in this world needs to be on something because this place is so fucked up! __________________ Rock on dude. Yep you know it... I'm pissed!

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