The secret about this current "spiritual" movement....

SsiK · 10-26-2005, 07:53 PM

I have taken notice that a lot of people, not just here, but everywhere, feel they are liberated from religion. Regardless of their "religious" beliefs, regardless if they are atheist or agnostic, whatever they may be, a lot of these liberated people turn to another form of spirituality in retaliation. What one may call "New Age concepts," these folk believe in reincarnation, OOBE's, spiritual progression, not necessarily in that order or even all of the above, but you catch my drift. The funny thing is, is a lot of these believers in these certain concepts are so immured within their tenacious beliefs in them that this "New Age movement" has become a new religion without these people even realizing it. It is hilarious every time I come to this website. I find it extremely funny that when I try and challenge other people's beliefs and opinions on this concepts, they lash out..............rem iniscent of what a follower of Christianity might do had you challenged his belief in a single omnipotent, emotional God. I don't know exactly when it happened......when these scenario's of reincarnation and energy fields and all that other stuff evolved from each autononomous concept into a piece of a whole plethora of faith, but I do know one thing. Faith, as well as its twin brother Hope, comes fully equipped with this spiritual movement. What other beliefs rely on faith and hope? Hmmmmm....I will have to ponder that one for quite a bit.

snapshot · 10-26-2005, 08:02 PM

hehe, people do lash out. guilty

i think you have to believe you exist. believe that you are capable of what you are capable - which statistically could be anything - and the only way to grow is out try to reach those extremes, or "set goals" if you will.

then trust yourself that, no matter what intervention may occur, you are fully responsible of your actions, but can be swayed as you are never fully knowing of your environments total characteristics.

we have limited sight, or a subective point of view. we therefore have neither the insight or the outsight to see something from every possible angle. that's god vision, what i like to call "objectivity".

human potential is considered unknown and potentially limitless since there is no way that can conclude that anyone has truely lived up to hir maximum potential.

that's the core-est i can see.

kRad · 10-26-2005, 08:48 PM

really its more like people settled down here on this earth along the church set down their rules and said they were the word of god and everyone should follow their teachings and beliefs but then the own church went against what they were telling the people and the everyday peson didnt want a middle man inbetween what were all connected to, so they went out and started exploring our world and became preoccupiied with their work gaining all the power using all the resources on this earth to keep us busy while we searched for the anwsers but lost what we were really looking for, now that we've achieved wwhat we have today its more like we've finished our waiting for what we lost and many people are returning to our old true roots by self exploration and as awhole were coming to the point where something is happening, the preoccupation is dyig out this is where this new movment is comng from. Anyways thats my two cents and much makes sence you just have to understand and be in the history and think about what people over the past how every many years would think and what thier mind set was.

Its that time now this movement is here and in the next 10 years the world is gonna drastially change for the good and everyone is going to unite.. only after a big struggle.

SsiK · 10-26-2005, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by kRad

Its that time now this movement is here and in the next 10 years the world is gonna drastially change for the good and everyone is going to unite.. only after a big struggle.

Contrary to popular belief, we will not be seeing the true Age of Aquarius in this lifetime.

At least we can look forward to good ol' reincarnation though.

snapshot · 10-26-2005, 08:59 PM

we could reincarnate right to that moment if we haven't already done so.

kRad · 10-26-2005, 09:11 PM

Your not the brightest lightbulb in the closest are you ssik you take what someone says and make up what you think they said in your head and manipulate the words only to make yourself look a little more uneducated in life

SsiK · 10-26-2005, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by kRad

Your not the brightest lightbulb in the closest are you ssik you take what someone says and make up what you think they said in your head and manipulate the words only to make yourself look a little more uneducated in life

Sorry I wasn't necessarily saying you were referring to the AoA your post just made me think of it.

Ego Tripping · 10-26-2005, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by SsiK

Contrary to popular belief, we will not be seeing the true Age of Aquarius in this lifetime.

Just curious...what do you think this Age of Aquarius is and why it will not come? What form should it come in? Will it come in, carrying a sign?

I think you're just a kid that has gotten ahead of himself in this myriad of differnet views and concerns himself wayyyyyy too much with other peoples beliefs and opinions, to the point where it seems (judging strictly from your online persona of course) you don't even care about contemplating your own beliefs as much as proving (or disproving) our beliefs with mainstream thought. Perhaps you should analyze what something like the Age Of Aquarius could possibly mean to YOU rather than what it means to 'popular belief.' I believe we are most DEFINATELY approaching a "new age" which by your skewed generalizations would title me a "new ager" yet nothing of what I believe really has anything to do with the 'popular belief' or "New Age."

I dunno man. Stop thinking for other people and think for yourself sometime. It won't hurt (too much).

SsiK · 10-26-2005, 11:04 PM

Bluntly speaking it is an astrological age, a period of time when there will basically be more spirituality, understanding, peace.According to astrologers prediction it will not officially be here untill the 27th century. I'm not making this shit up. I thought/hoped it'd be closer to the year 2012 as well man.

Ego Tripping · 10-26-2005, 11:07 PM

You're still only spewing the bullshit rhetoric I can find on a Google search. That wasn't my question.

Get back to me when you decide to know yourself and your beliefs.

SsiK · 10-26-2005, 11:11 PM

I don't conform to many beliefs. Sometimes they can be a fork in the road on the way to greater understanding. I am eclectic, all embracing.

Ego Tripping · 10-26-2005, 11:15 PM

Yet ignorant, closed-minded, argumentative, insulting and arrogant. Keep reachin' high, kid. I guess its all in how tall you feel.

Mescalito · 10-27-2005, 02:52 AM

Technically new ages are occuring every moment.. depending on how ya see it. I prefer the word paradigm shift.. which to me conveys a change in one particular important belief in the majority of the human population. An example would be everyone starting to lucid dream. That would be a paradigm shift and a half! Basically all im talking about is small change big change (relatively).

Anyway.. what was the question?

Oh yeah..

I see religions as groups of beliefs.. its that simple to me.

And in that sense you could say im religious.. because i have my own set of believes which i live my life by. But i dont care too much for categories that attempt to sum up some or all of my beliefs. I like to treat them as individuals. Its just like music genres.. for example.. i like rock.. except i dont like all what is covered by the label 'rock'. I like to treat my songs as individuals too.

So to conclude i do not feel liberated against religion.. and i cant recall a time i have ever been harsh against a point you made about your beliefs..

Different variations of beliefs = different variations of personal reality. In my opinio some people have shit beliefs.. or a shit belief.. which in turn means they have a shit reality.. at least in one particular aspect.

M

Hydrogonian · 10-27-2005, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by SsiK

Faith, as well as its twin brother Hope, comes fully equipped with this spiritual movement. What other beliefs rely on faith and hope? Hmmmmm....I will have to ponder that one for quite a bit.

The answer to your question is "every religion known".

What is Faith, except the Hope that there is something more after you start your dirt nap. And the reason the "new age" religions cropped up is because peopel started to realise the discrepancies in our countries major religion.

Laugh if you may, But you laugh at what you do not know. There is a depth in the new age that is undeniable. People ARE getting tired of the middle man and its only a logical extension of mans curiosity that brought it about.

Is it Pablum? on the surface yes. But then, you haven't truly investigated the possibilities.

How deep does the rabbit hole go? If you are genuinely interested pm me. I've been following it for over 30 years now and I don't have the answers but as a Guide and counselor I can give you help in that "next step".

Rev. R. Twig Jones
The Druid of Peace
Matrixdruid-Lightraven

kRad · 10-27-2005, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by SsiK

Sorry I wasn't necessarily saying you were referring to the AoA your post just made me think of it.

ah I did what I thought you did to, its this whole text thing not being able to convay emotions

Mescalito · 10-27-2005, 12:47 PM

Faith to me is a feeling of confidence that your thought will be expressed as reality. Without the feeling i dont think half of what i want to create will be created.. because without faith i guess i would be pessimistic.. or possibly agnostic. So basically i equate faith with optimism.

Take this example.. i think of a idea.. i picture it.. i see it in the minds eye. I want to express it.. so i think of further ideas which would allow me to undertake the action necessary. The driving force between the change of ideas is this belief about faith... a belief that im going to express my mental picture.

Sometimes though I think as humans we have more faith than actual action.. and all too often the originally intended picture will change into something you may not have originally intended. Anyway.. im getting lost in words.. rant fini.

M

SsiK · 10-27-2005, 05:24 PM

Some of you aren't getting it.

All I am saying is that this "spiritual movement" takes on characteristics of a religion, possibly a religion in the making so to speak. I'm not asking any questions here. Duh.

SsiK · 10-27-2005, 05:37 PM

goddammit nevermind mods just delete this thread.

SsiK · 10-27-2005, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Ben Feel Good

Sorry you didn't get what you wanted from this thread. Again I do understand the essence of what I think you are getting at. Kind of a "spiritual pathers" thumbing there nose at all the stupid religous people, but they are both mostly still into the same things.

Well anyways,

PEace

That's exactly what I'm not getting at. Damn I didn't think this was that complex....

ziplock · 10-27-2005, 06:27 PM

what doesn't take on characteristics of a religion?

if i put together a book of thoughts, which is like any book really, and had people follow it adamantly it'd have characteristics to a religion. imo, when people go to say something has the characteristics of a religion, they're usually simply refering to a degree of zeal in the followers. otherwise, when stripped of the human factor, what we're talking about here is just a bunch of related ideas, just like any other bunch that goes on in any other humans head.

"religious" is a term that has a rather broad application. i don't really like using it, just seems to doom any conversation it enters.

10-26-2005, 07:53 PM	#1 (permalink)
SsiK IRATE!!!!!!!!!! Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 742 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	The secret about this current "spiritual" movement.... I have taken notice that a lot of people, not just here, but everywhere, feel they are liberated from religion. Regardless of their "religious" beliefs, regardless if they are atheist or agnostic, whatever they may be, a lot of these liberated people turn to another form of spirituality in retaliation. What one may call "New Age concepts," these folk believe in reincarnation, OOBE's, spiritual progression, not necessarily in that order or even all of the above, but you catch my drift. The funny thing is, is a lot of these believers in these certain concepts are so immured within their tenacious beliefs in them that this "New Age movement" has become a new religion without these people even realizing it. It is hilarious every time I come to this website. I find it extremely funny that when I try and challenge other people's beliefs and opinions on this concepts, they lash out..............rem iniscent of what a follower of Christianity might do had you challenged his belief in a single omnipotent, emotional God. I don't know exactly when it happened......when these scenario's of reincarnation and energy fields and all that other stuff evolved from each autononomous concept into a piece of a whole plethora of faith, but I do know one thing. Faith, as well as its twin brother Hope, comes fully equipped with this spiritual movement. What other beliefs rely on faith and hope? Hmmmmm....I will have to ponder that one for quite a bit. __________________ Rock on dude. Yep you know it... I'm pissed!

10-26-2005, 08:02 PM	#2 (permalink)
snapshot no custom. customize Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: The unOriginal Rorschach. Posts: 19,305 Thanks: 15 Thanked 18 Times in 17 Posts	hehe, people do lash out. guilty i think you have to believe you exist. believe that you are capable of what you are capable - which statistically could be anything - and the only way to grow is out try to reach those extremes, or "set goals" if you will. then trust yourself that, no matter what intervention may occur, you are fully responsible of your actions, but can be swayed as you are never fully knowing of your environments total characteristics. we have limited sight, or a subective point of view. we therefore have neither the insight or the outsight to see something from every possible angle. that's god vision, what i like to call "objectivity". human potential is considered unknown and potentially limitless since there is no way that can conclude that anyone has truely lived up to hir maximum potential. that's the core-est i can see. __________________ We are all atheists about most of the gods that society has ever believed in. Some of us just go one god further. -Richard Dawkins

10-26-2005, 08:59 PM	#5 (permalink)
snapshot no custom. customize Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: The unOriginal Rorschach. Posts: 19,305 Thanks: 15 Thanked 18 Times in 17 Posts	we could reincarnate right to that moment if we haven't already done so. __________________ We are all atheists about most of the gods that society has ever believed in. Some of us just go one god further. -Richard Dawkins

10-26-2005, 11:04 PM	#9 (permalink)
SsiK IRATE!!!!!!!!!! Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 742 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Bluntly speaking it is an astrological age, a period of time when there will basically be more spirituality, understanding, peace.According to astrologers prediction it will not officially be here untill the 27th century. I'm not making this shit up. I thought/hoped it'd be closer to the year 2012 as well man. __________________ Rock on dude. Yep you know it... I'm pissed!

10-26-2005, 11:07 PM	#10 (permalink)
Ego Tripping Are you in? Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 13,461 Thanks: 229 Thanked 657 Times in 438 Posts	You're still only spewing the bullshit rhetoric I can find on a Google search. That wasn't my question. Get back to me when you decide to know yourself and your beliefs. __________________ God appears, and God is light, To those poor souls who dwell in night; But does a human form display To those who dwell in realms of day.

10-26-2005, 08:48 PM	#3 (permalink)
kRad Infinity Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 484 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	really its more like people settled down here on this earth along the church set down their rules and said they were the word of god and everyone should follow their teachings and beliefs but then the own church went against what they were telling the people and the everyday peson didnt want a middle man inbetween what were all connected to, so they went out and started exploring our world and became preoccupiied with their work gaining all the power using all the resources on this earth to keep us busy while we searched for the anwsers but lost what we were really looking for, now that we've achieved wwhat we have today its more like we've finished our waiting for what we lost and many people are returning to our old true roots by self exploration and as awhole were coming to the point where something is happening, the preoccupation is dyig out this is where this new movment is comng from. Anyways thats my two cents and much makes sence you just have to understand and be in the history and think about what people over the past how every many years would think and what thier mind set was. Its that time now this movement is here and in the next 10 years the world is gonna drastially change for the good and everyone is going to unite.. only after a big struggle.

10-26-2005, 09:11 PM	#6 (permalink)
kRad Infinity Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 484 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Your not the brightest lightbulb in the closest are you ssik you take what someone says and make up what you think they said in your head and manipulate the words only to make yourself look a little more uneducated in life

10-26-2005, 11:11 PM	#11 (permalink)
SsiK IRATE!!!!!!!!!! Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 742 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I don't conform to many beliefs. Sometimes they can be a fork in the road on the way to greater understanding. I am eclectic, all embracing. __________________ Rock on dude. Yep you know it... I'm pissed!

10-26-2005, 11:15 PM	#12 (permalink)
Ego Tripping Are you in? Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 13,461 Thanks: 229 Thanked 657 Times in 438 Posts	Yet ignorant, closed-minded, argumentative, insulting and arrogant. Keep reachin' high, kid. I guess its all in how tall you feel. __________________ God appears, and God is light, To those poor souls who dwell in night; But does a human form display To those who dwell in realms of day.

10-27-2005, 02:52 AM	#13 (permalink)
Mescalito Space Cadet Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 6,149 Thanks: 638 Thanked 679 Times in 347 Posts	Technically new ages are occuring every moment.. depending on how ya see it. I prefer the word paradigm shift.. which to me conveys a change in one particular important belief in the majority of the human population. An example would be everyone starting to lucid dream. That would be a paradigm shift and a half! Basically all im talking about is small change big change (relatively). Anyway.. what was the question? Oh yeah.. I see religions as groups of beliefs.. its that simple to me. And in that sense you could say im religious.. because i have my own set of believes which i live my life by. But i dont care too much for categories that attempt to sum up some or all of my beliefs. I like to treat them as individuals. Its just like music genres.. for example.. i like rock.. except i dont like all what is covered by the label 'rock'. I like to treat my songs as individuals too. So to conclude i do not feel liberated against religion.. and i cant recall a time i have ever been harsh against a point you made about your beliefs.. Different variations of beliefs = different variations of personal reality. In my opinio some people have shit beliefs.. or a shit belief.. which in turn means they have a shit reality.. at least in one particular aspect. M __________________ Jungle Monkey

10-27-2005, 12:47 PM	#16 (permalink)
Mescalito Space Cadet Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 6,149 Thanks: 638 Thanked 679 Times in 347 Posts	Faith to me is a feeling of confidence that your thought will be expressed as reality. Without the feeling i dont think half of what i want to create will be created.. because without faith i guess i would be pessimistic.. or possibly agnostic. So basically i equate faith with optimism. Take this example.. i think of a idea.. i picture it.. i see it in the minds eye. I want to express it.. so i think of further ideas which would allow me to undertake the action necessary. The driving force between the change of ideas is this belief about faith... a belief that im going to express my mental picture. Sometimes though I think as humans we have more faith than actual action.. and all too often the originally intended picture will change into something you may not have originally intended. Anyway.. im getting lost in words.. rant fini. M __________________ Jungle Monkey

10-27-2005, 05:24 PM	#17 (permalink)
SsiK IRATE!!!!!!!!!! Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 742 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Some of you aren't getting it. All I am saying is that this "spiritual movement" takes on characteristics of a religion, possibly a religion in the making so to speak. I'm not asking any questions here. Duh. __________________ Rock on dude. Yep you know it... I'm pissed!

10-27-2005, 05:37 PM	#18 (permalink)
SsiK IRATE!!!!!!!!!! Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 742 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	goddammit nevermind mods just delete this thread. __________________ Rock on dude. Yep you know it... I'm pissed!

10-27-2005, 06:27 PM	#20 (permalink)
ziplock Dreamer of the dreams Join Date: May 2004 Location: British Columbia Posts: 2,110 Thanks: 15 Thanked 91 Times in 71 Posts	what doesn't take on characteristics of a religion? if i put together a book of thoughts, which is like any book really, and had people follow it adamantly it'd have characteristics to a religion. imo, when people go to say something has the characteristics of a religion, they're usually simply refering to a degree of zeal in the followers. otherwise, when stripped of the human factor, what we're talking about here is just a bunch of related ideas, just like any other bunch that goes on in any other humans head. "religious" is a term that has a rather broad application. i don't really like using it, just seems to doom any conversation it enters. __________________ Insanity is the only sane reaction to an insane society.

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