Anyone have proof that a religion is bullshit? - Page 2

iamislegrown · 12-25-2005, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by SmokeSomeDoja

just for the record, i believe in entities, if thats even the right word to use. i believe there are beings greater than humans...you can gather as much just from reading about various hallucinigenic drugs and the common themes from those various drugs - salvia and the "mother entity" being one of them, i guess.

i dont think inbibing a chemical is forcing a person to see something thats notn there, and many people probably think thats the case, thus its moot.

i believe drugs are tools, doorways that let you see things that one may not be able to see with the standard or sober mindset. and i believe by using certain drugs, one can even communicate with divine beings, entities, etc.

believe whatever the fuck you want to believe, but dont hate on what others believe just because you cant believe it yourself.

I haven't posted any hate here whatsoever, just questions and my thoughts, with regards to religeon or beliefs, I have stated these are my opinions only.

this includes naive notions of what some people may believe about a stereotypical God fatherfigure with a beard in the sky. ones beliefs vary from one to another. this generalizing and grouping doesnt achieve very much. -- i think alot of you generalize about something you dont know about. all throughout the thread are naive notions about - god in heaven, believing in an afterlife to make you feel secure, etc etc. - they are really cliche notions about something far more deep than that.

and i also believe in an "after-life," but an "after-life" can mean a great many things. it doesnt mean the christian image of an after-life ingrained in your head, or the egyptian afterlife, or whatever the fuck.

i think that once you pass, depending on the level of ones awareness/conciousness/enlightenment, you can either be reincarnated as an animal or human, go to eternal bliss/nirvana (which i think can only be achieved through great consciousness/awareness), or something else, i guess "lingo" or whatever.

so, are my beliefs "religious" beliefs, or what? if i take bits and pieces of the worlds religions and put them together, is that religious, or spiritual? i think thats arguing useless semantics.

I am not arguing with you, it is after all a discussion forum, I appreciate your opinions, this is what it's all about.

peace

ziplock · 12-25-2005, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by iamislegrown

I believe I said "personally" being my thought's, it could very well be god, we could be god, you could be god, but most religeons do have an entity defined as a "god" which mankind is to follow. Why is it that religeon have to be taught or learned, wouldn't it make sense to be universal or inate.

Again just my thoughts.

peace

why is it that language has to be taught or learned? wouldn't it make sense to be universal or inate?

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Originally Posted by iamislegrown

I don't think it's really a matter who knows what about religeons, personally I have doubts about there being this divine entity which has to be apeased in order for us to achieve "holiness" in the so called hereafter.

the appeasement/worship gig, imo, is pretty weak. i mean if some all mighty all powerful omnicient being called God requires the appeasement of a bunch of weak mortals, sending those to an eternity in firey hell if they dont, then he has serious psychological problems and would probably be unfit to live within our society.

if ur wanting the whole christian perspective, check out the jefferson bible. it's kind of minus all the supernatural stuff. jefferson admired the system of ethics that jesus subscribed to and despised the impurities that were brought to it. http://etext.lib.virginia.edu/toc/mo...c/JefJesu.html "We must reduce our volume to the simple Evangelists, select, even from them, the very words only of Jesus, paring off the amphiboligisms into which they have been led, by forgetting often, or not understanding, what had fallen from him, by giving their own misconceptions as his dicta, and expressing unintelligibly for others what they had not understood themselves. There will be found remaining the most sublime and benevolent code of morals which has ever been offered to man. I have performed this operation for my own use, by cutting verse by verse out of the printed book, and arranging the matter which is evidently his and which is as easily distinguished as diamonds in a dung-hill. The result is an octavo of forty-six pages."

personally, tho i find truths in the christian perspective, i feel more at home with those of Taoism and Buddhism. balance this w/ a healthy dose of Physics, Psychology (Jung esp) and be ready for heavy introspection. i've just began reading Rumi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rumi) poetry which is also very good. also engage in numerous discussions offering your opinion to be examined by others, and be open to their criticisms. it's truth your seeking, not a comforting belief.

ps: i hate that whole "people just turn to religion for emotional comfort" mentality.

iamislegrown · 12-25-2005, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by ziplock

why is it that language has to be taught or learned? wouldn't it make sense to be universal or inate?

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Originally Posted by ziplock

True language has to be taught or learned, but as for religions being taught by man, seem some how to be tainted by humanistic values.

the appeasement/worship gig, imo, is pretty weak. i mean if some all mighty all powerful omnicient being called God requires the appeasement of a bunch of weak mortals, sending those to an eternity in firey hell if they dont, then he has serious psychological problems and would probably be unfit to live within our society.

Agreed

if ur wanting the whole christian perspective, check out the jefferson bible. it's kind of minus all the supernatural stuff. jefferson admired the system of ethics that jesus subscribed to and despised the impurities that were brought to it. http://etext.lib.virginia.edu/toc/mo...c/JefJesu.html "We must reduce our volume to the simple Evangelists, select, even from them, the very words only of Jesus, paring off the amphiboligisms into which they have been led, by forgetting often, or not understanding, what had fallen from him, by giving their own misconceptions as his dicta, and expressing unintelligibly for others what they had not understood themselves. There will be found remaining the most sublime and benevolent code of morals which has ever been offered to man. I have performed this operation for my own use, by cutting verse by verse out of the printed book, and arranging the matter which is evidently his and which is as easily distinguished as diamonds in a dung-hill. The result is an octavo of forty-six pages."

I'll check it out

personally, tho i find truths in the christian perspective, i feel more at home with those of Taoism and Buddhism. balance this w/ a healthy dose of Physics, Psychology (Jung esp) and be ready for heavy introspection. i've just began reading Rumi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rumi) poetry which is also very good. also engage in numerous discussions offering your opinion to be examined by others, and be open to their criticisms. it's truth your seeking, not a comforting belief.

ps: i hate that whole "people just turn to religion for emotional comfort" mentality.

People turn to religion for many reasons, it cannot be nailed down to one reason, the reasons could be endless therefore not listed in my posts.

peace

Waves · 12-26-2005, 02:05 AM

i believe once science starts to figure out what 'reality' is all about it will become apparent that most of these religions are based off lucid dreams or other non physical experiences. the buddhist teachings, i believe, talk about seven 'planes' of reality but in truth there is no 'seven' there just IS. i believe the original message of some of these religions, western religion in particular has been lost under pile and pile of shit.

I mean damn, jesus was probably just a really smart guy whos experiences were exaggerated so much over the years we have him turning water into wine and raising from the dead.

Anyway, i stand by my claim that in the next 40-50 years religion will be totally gone.

Governor · 12-26-2005, 02:22 AM

If you believe in yourself, you have a religion.

UltraFace · 12-26-2005, 03:50 AM

Religion is bullshit cause I say so.

Mescalito · 12-26-2005, 06:15 AM

Religion to me is the grouping of a group of beliefs. In most cases the people who say they are a certain religion will not even hold the exact same group of beliefs. In this sense i have no problem with religion because its just stuff people believe. What i dont like is the category.. and quite alot of beliefs from every religious category.

iamislegrown · 12-26-2005, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Waves

i believe once science starts to figure out what 'reality' is all about it will become apparent that most of these religions are based off lucid dreams or other non physical experiences. the buddhist teachings, i believe, talk about seven 'planes' of reality but in truth there is no 'seven' there just IS. i believe the original message of some of these religions, western religion in particular has been lost under pile and pile of shit.

I mean damn, jesus was probably just a really smart guy whos experiences were exaggerated so much over the years we have him turning water into wine and raising from the dead.

Anyway, i stand by my claim that in the next 40-50 years religion will be totally gone.

Exactly, like the parables say about turning rocks into bread, maybe he said "lets remove the rocks from this land and plant wheat", thus in short turning rocks into bread. Multiplying the amount of fish could be explained by better fishing techniques and equipment,

source

http://www.urantia.org/papers/paper129.html

"[Jesus worked with Zebedee (boat builder) only a little more than one year, but during that time he created a new style of boat and established entirely new methods of boatmaking. By superior technique and greatly improved methods of steaming the boards]".

or turning water into wine by using different ingredients and again different techniques.

Another quote from source:

[He talked quite freely with them, expressing his ideas and ideals about politics, sociology, science, and philosophy]

Jesus did eventually take on the spreading of the gospel full time, therefore having much time to analyze and contemplate mans difficulties and solutions, also the growing/gathering of food would be paramount in the progress of mans ability to carry on the gospel.

peace

12-26-2005, 12:14 PM

My religious beleive are that I myself can achieve anything I want to, that the physical world is only half of my life and that love is the key to happyness.

My religious beleifs don't have anything to do with a white man in the sky because..
well we all know there is no man in the sky

iamislegrown · 12-26-2005, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by higherlearner84

My religious beleive are that I myself can achieve anything I want to, that the physical world is only half of my life and that love is the key to happyness.

My religious beleifs don't have anything to do with a white man in the sky because..
well we all know there is no man in the sky

You would be suprised how many people do think there is a white man in the sky

The Rev · 12-26-2005, 08:34 PM

Most religious doctrines contain contradictions. Then again, so does the Constitution of the United States.

Maybe EVERYTHING is bullshit.

If so, who's feeding the bulls?

The Rev

iamislegrown · 12-26-2005, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by The Rev

Most religious doctrines contain contradictions. Then again, so does the Constitution of the United States.

Maybe EVERYTHING is bullshit.

If so, who's feeding the bulls?

The Rev

Everything thats man made, possibly.

SmokeSomeDoja · 12-26-2005, 08:56 PM

whats wrong with contradictions?

12-26-2005, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by The Rev

Most religious doctrines contain contradictions. Then again, so does the Constitution of the United States.

Maybe EVERYTHING is bullshit.

If so, who's feeding the bulls?

The Rev

Maybe we are the bulls Rev. We create all this shit we don't need.

snapshot · 12-26-2005, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by SmokeSomeDoja

whats wrong with contradictions?

Nothing, as long as the contradictions make you a hypocrite and don't defy logic.

Nothing wrong with being a hypocrite.

Waves · 12-26-2005, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by The Rev

Most religious doctrines contain contradictions. Then again, so does the Constitution of the United States.

Maybe EVERYTHING is bullshit.

If so, who's feeding the bulls?

The Rev

Ding we have a winner!

i believe beliefs used by more than one person always have faults and inconsistencies. simply because i believe everyones beliefs are subjective and when you try to mold them into a man-made concept much becomes lost in translation.

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Originally Posted by snapshot182

Nothing, as long as the contradictions make you a hypocrite and don't defy logic.

Nothing wrong with being a hypocrite.

Theres also nothing wrong with being wrong.

SmokeSomeDoja · 12-26-2005, 10:21 PM

im not seeing the hypocrite/contradiction connection...

Waves · 12-27-2005, 04:04 AM

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Originally Posted by sandman_130

I didn't think so many people in this community were that far from the truth.
Maybe some should lay off the marijuana for a day, and trying using their mind instead of taking the easy way out of everything?

Jesus didn't live that long ago, 2000 years is nothing..........

We have historical dates and FACTS going way farther than Jesus' time, if you don't believe Jesus was indeed the Son of God, then why are you living? Why don't you kill yourself and find your proof right now?

Their is unlimited amounts of proof of God's exsistence on this earth, if you can't open your mind to see that by now, you probably never will, and weren't supposed too. Although we still pray for you, which makes you burn up inside.

Nobody has to believe in Religion, their is so many different religions and they all can't be the same, but who is to say that religion is wrong? To preach good word and to help people through their lives? Some people need religion to find God, others do it in their own way and live happy lives. Sure you don't need God, Jesus, or the Holy spirit to be happy, but isn't it worth a chance to learn about something rather then having your soul become lost when you die.

Maybe in your next life you will catch on, until then, good luck.

Just remember, you don't have to believe in Jesus for him to love you, because he does, even though you hate it, he does try to save you.

Insert Satanic Jesus bashing comments now......

Learn to seperate belief from reality.
Dont preach your faults or your inablity to find out what reality is really about on others. everyone has a mind/imagination you are just lazy. I truly believe that for most 'religous' people it comes down to "well everything is to complicated so it must be god." No! Find out for yourself! its not that complicated! Its very easy to obtain some kind of religous belief system that doesnt incorporate god and preaches not prejudice but empathy, that would be the ability to step into other peoples perspective/belief as opposed to your normal perspective.

Pitfall · 12-27-2005, 04:48 AM

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Originally Posted by higherlearner84

My religious beleive are that I myself can achieve anything I want to, that the physical world is only half of my life and that love is the key to happyness.

My religious beleifs don't have anything to do with a white man in the sky because..
well we all know there is no man in the sky

except for superman of course.

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Originally Posted by Waves

Learn to seperate belief from reality.
Dont preach your faults or your inablity to find out what reality is really about on others. everyone has a mind/imagination you are just lazy. I truly believe that for most 'religous' people it comes down to "well everything is to complicated so it must be god." No! Find out for yourself! its not that complicated! Its very easy to obtain some kind of religous belief system that doesnt incorporate god and preaches not prejudice but empathy, that would be the ability to step into other peoples perspective/belief as opposed to your normal perspective.

but "reality" is a belief.

Mescalito · 12-27-2005, 05:18 AM

^Exactly! Pitfall the genious!

Matt

12-26-2005, 02:05 AM	#24 (permalink)
Waves Duderino Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: chiburbs Posts: 15,475 Thanks: 991 Thanked 4,021 Times in 2,219 Posts	i believe once science starts to figure out what 'reality' is all about it will become apparent that most of these religions are based off lucid dreams or other non physical experiences. the buddhist teachings, i believe, talk about seven 'planes' of reality but in truth there is no 'seven' there just IS. i believe the original message of some of these religions, western religion in particular has been lost under pile and pile of shit. I mean damn, jesus was probably just a really smart guy whos experiences were exaggerated so much over the years we have him turning water into wine and raising from the dead. Anyway, i stand by my claim that in the next 40-50 years religion will be totally gone. __________________ On this life that we call home The years go fast and the days go so slow

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Governor Decade Yahookan Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Denver Colorado amerika Posts: 4,146 Thanks: 0 Thanked 18 Times in 17 Posts	If you believe in yourself, you have a religion. __________________ 'Marijuana is responsible for evolution itself' Dr. Robert Melamede "Fuck the monkeys" Ken Gorman potgov@yahoo.com 420 Medicine

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Mescalito Space Cadet Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 6,146 Thanks: 638 Thanked 679 Times in 347 Posts	Religion to me is the grouping of a group of beliefs. In most cases the people who say they are a certain religion will not even hold the exact same group of beliefs. In this sense i have no problem with religion because its just stuff people believe. What i dont like is the category.. and quite alot of beliefs from every religious category. __________________ Jungle Monkey

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The Rev Clear Light Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: In my head, somewhere. Posts: 17,672 Thanks: 4,716 Thanked 5,057 Times in 2,708 Posts	Most religious doctrines contain contradictions. Then again, so does the Constitution of the United States. Maybe EVERYTHING is bullshit. If so, who's feeding the bulls? The Rev __________________ "You're seriously flying close to the fag-sun, icarus." -Flamingnun

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SmokeSomeDoja Lushous Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Erogenous Zones Posts: 17,396 Thanks: 238 Thanked 445 Times in 279 Posts	whats wrong with contradictions? __________________ fotoz fo yo azz "I've run over black cats that were luckier than me."

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higherlearner84 Guest Posts: n/a	My religious beleive are that I myself can achieve anything I want to, that the physical world is only half of my life and that love is the key to happyness. My religious beleifs don't have anything to do with a white man in the sky because.. well we all know there is no man in the sky

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SmokeSomeDoja Lushous Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Erogenous Zones Posts: 17,396 Thanks: 238 Thanked 445 Times in 279 Posts	im not seeing the hypocrite/contradiction connection... __________________ fotoz fo yo azz "I've run over black cats that were luckier than me."

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Mescalito Space Cadet Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 6,146 Thanks: 638 Thanked 679 Times in 347 Posts	^Exactly! Pitfall the genious! Matt __________________ Jungle Monkey

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