Pitfall

it happens. it's pretty hard to ALWAYS be questioning things, don't cha know? i can only do that when i'm having a psychedelic experience.

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If this has anything to do with me...


Any idea of God becomes a creation of God, an idol in one's mind. When one shuts out the idea of God from their mind, it opens up one's heart.

Believing in God seems to me not only stupid, but lazy.

SmokeSomeDoja

snap...ive welcomed the idea of god in my mind...and it has opened up my heart.


whats the deal with that?

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You're a 4th dimensional being who has the capacity to understand change that occurs.

How would you know about God unless you opened your mind to it? It's a paradox in 3 dimensions, because 3-dimensional thinking is static and unchanging. A fourth dimension is required for growth. You grew seems like the deal. As long as you don't stop growing, I won't have to keep answering the question, catch my drift?

Remove the unchanging Is. That only thing that "is" "is" God, because God "is" a verb. Hopefully you're learn to fall in love with the paradoxes and go salsa dancing with your confusion in happiness. Because happiness is all that matters.

I just pave the roads, I don't decide where they go. That's up to you.

Sugar420

when one evaluates religion according to secular notions of merit, one will come to the same verdict no matter how he approaches the issue.
For the believer, living in accordance with the will of God becomes enormously important while for secular persons that would have no importance and so if religion helped someone to live the will of God that would amount to nothing.

but i like the idea about "shutting out ideas" in order to "open ones heart" which made more sense to me said in the e prime way

redhot

i do believe that some religions are bullshit especially if they are not your own...
As we all know Karl Max said "religion is the sigh of the oppressed,the opium ...." and so on...we all need thee opium occasionally and its all down to one choosing their poison....

ziplock

redhot, why do you agree with and use words like "opium" "oppressed" and "poison" when concerning religion?

veda, i think my will would be god's as well. after all didnt he give it to me?

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Sugar420

thats an interesting question. some people would say that God gave you free will so that you could decide for yourself what kind of relationship to have with God and the rest of creation.
sort of like if i built myself a robot man programmed to say "i love you veda!" it would not be the same as the love of a real self determined man

other people insist that everything that happens is the will of God. "deeds are done, but there is no individual doer" they say. in this case it would seem that nothing is ever wrong

ziplock

veda, very cool reply... i'd have to say i think both are valid. i think that we do have freewill to choose our relationship and interaction with god, the sum of creation. this would be our experience of it, our life. considering everything would be god, including all the actions and moments in time, being a part of that one eternal, conscious moment, then there is no "wrong" only the perception/experience of god that we'd characterize consciously as "wrong."

im interested though, how do some people feel there is no wrong with sin being such a dominating concept?

sandman i need some clearification.why do you say that? imo, "God" is a word created by humanity to describe whatever they feel "God" is. the question then is, what is "God"?so... where's satan in this family picture? was he adopted?without proof? wouldnt that just be assuming things? i can assume a lot of things without proof.... 10$ says my arrow wouldn't hit anywhere near the god marker, but boy would i be assuming...that would've been some proof, too bad you didn't have a video phone. or better yet something w/ good quality.many here have a notion of god, but generally its very different from the one u seem to be describing, and they've moved past the label of God due to the connotations and associations people have that create difficulty communication.

what was the lightning, bacteria, bug stuff about?

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Waves

That just makes no sense whatsoever. Anyone with any kind of education can tell you that.
If by enlightened you mean "shown a part of the 99.99999% of reality we DONT see while physical alive. But does that mean anything?
Well I myself have proof that both Elvis and Tupac Shakur are both well and alive, its not just some little bullshit things that happen, I could explain alot to you but its up to you to figure our for yourself without proof.
Il bet you were trippin real hard.
Then do it. So far all ive got is circle logic and child-fucking priests. Not very god-worthy if you ask me.
Why does every religous belief come down to "well we had to be created by SOMETHING! This didnt just happen by accident!"

And guess what, your right! That belief right there makes anyone who practices religion a notch above athiests in my book. Athiests are (generally) some of the most cynical, depressed people you will meet in your life. They have nothing to live for. They have chalked up to the "fact" that we are nothing but super-apes who are born, eat and fuck, and die just like every other animal. Which is also true but doesnt take into account the joys of life like music, friendship, love etc.

This is all just my opinion, im talking to you on a human-to-human basis right now. Just because everything is so perfect doesnt mean that it was created by some higher intelligence! WE ARE THAT HIGHER INTELLIGENCE! and when we are on shrooms we give ourself a glimpse of that intelligence. we are the creators, we just choose to forget that fact while we experience life!

Just wondering, do you believe that you create your dreams when you sleep? Your hallucinations when you trip?

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higherlearner84

^exactly, think of how many forms of life are all around us. We have bacteria on this keyboard im typing on, in my mouth, my ears, life is everywhere! Givin the FACT that we as a lifeform can do mathamatics,we can write, have feelings and we can dream ANYTHING we want to makes me beleive that we are the higher intelligence. I also think that this decade is bringing us closer to evolving again.

Waves

Reminds me of sanchez's sig.

Are you a man dreaming about being a butterfly or a butterfly dreaming you are a man?

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higherlearner84

Well death is coming for all of us right? So this to me PROOVES that how we are in our dream state (half of our lifetime is spent dreaming) is how I will die. So to answer the question if I substitute God for butterfly then I beleive I am God dreaming of being a man.

Not god like the white man in the sky, god like the force that connects us all.

Waves

Very very wise

I think thats one of the best things said in this thread. kudos.

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iamislegrown

Yeah, that is really good, one up

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ziplock

sandman, what is a "psychedelic state"?

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JahBohl

For someone who can't even spell "atheist" you really hit the nail on the head!! ...........(dripping with sarcasm if you couldn't tell).

Waves, put the strawman down before you hurt someone. For every cynical, depressed atheist you show me I'll show you two cynical, depressed Christians, Jews, etc....

Why would you think happiness (the opposite of depressed) is correlated to belief in the supernatural? Is ignorance bliss?

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higherlearner84

Yep because "god" (man I hate using that word) is everything around us. This has NOTHING to do with Jesus!!!!!!!!!!!!!

higherlearner84

In this world ignorance is bliss. Noone is on this earth to feel happy, we are on it to better the earth for everyone else. If you can't see that you are a coward.

Waves

im just making a generalization based on my life experiences. I dont think happiness is correlated at all to belief in supernatural. im saying that in general the atheists i have met are depressed cynical people. Keep in mind the difference between an atheist(believes there is no god or higher power) and agnostic(realizes there is some sort of higher power but knows he will never understand it until hes dead). Agnostics are great but alot of the time are mislabeled as atheists. I think as long as you can realize that life is worth living you are on the right track.

Im not trying to cause offense im just remarking on my experiences. I know alot of christians, alot of jews, and alot of atheists and i can tell you that in general atheists are the ones saying "ugh, i hate life, why does this shit happen to me..." At least christians believe that whatever suffering they are experiencing is part of some divine plan. At least when they die they wont be standing there wondering why the hell they can still see, taste, touch, smell, and hear better than they ever could while alive.

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