Anyone have proof that a religion is bullshit?

12-25-2005, 03:33 PM

Just wondering because perosnaly I think most religions are bullshit.

Lions & Christians (PB) · 12-25-2005, 03:44 PM

funny how god speaks through so many different people, and says so many contradicting things, dont cha' think?

it's almost like people are making up their own personal morals and ethics to adapt to their enviroment and authority figures.

scary.

iamislegrown · 12-25-2005, 03:46 PM

Does anyone have proof it isn't bullshit?mmmmmm

Lions & Christians (PB) · 12-25-2005, 03:48 PM

^
depends on the religion, and what individuals follow it.

12-25-2005, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Lions & Christians (PB)

funny how god speaks through so many different people, and says so many contradicting things, dont cha' think?

it's almost like people are making up their own personal morals and ethics to adapt to their enviroment and authority figures.

scary.

i hope thats sarcasim. and if it isnt, man you are a confused person

12-25-2005, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by iamislegrown

Does anyone have proof it isn't bullshit?mmmmmm

well kinda. people have been worshipping "gods" for a really long time. "jesus" is just the modern day god. Theres no proof he does or doesent exsist. I bet people said the same shit about Zeus back in the day hahah.

iamislegrown · 12-25-2005, 04:04 PM

There is a book called "and man created god" by George Carl Mynchenberg, it poses alot of questions and answers depending on your beliefs.

Lions & Christians (PB) · 12-25-2005, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by higherlearner84

i hope thats sarcasim. and if it isnt, man you are a confused person

sarcasm? whats that?

iamislegrown · 12-25-2005, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by higherlearner84

well kinda. people have been worshipping "gods" for a really long time. "jesus" is just the modern day god. Theres no proof he does or doesent exsist. I bet people said the same shit about Zeus back in the day hahah.

The whole idea of a divine entity is so inconsistent, supposedly god created adam in his image out of clay and eve was made from one of adams ribs (I already posted this today), why then was jesus "son of god" born to a woman, so would adam also be the son of god?, then whats with "my only begotten son"

We all know about the crucifiction death of christ, at this time there were many crucifictions and you can be sure, as happens today with the justice system there were mistakes made and innocent people were executed as well for their beliefs/nonbeliefs. Just the idea of singling out christ as dying for our sins when people were probably put to death for less.

Just my thought.

Waves · 12-25-2005, 05:27 PM

Religion is a tool used to control people. It has no basis in reality and in the next few decades we will slowy see religion fall into obscurity...not like it isnt already.

Nowadays we have the scientists telling us what to believe...it used to be religions job. now it is purely a cash cow except for the less intelligent people who join the army believing in god, or join the army believing in allah. Its all fake bullshit that people build there beliefs around. Theres no way to prove "god" is fake just like there is no way to prove "sprituality" is fake. They are both man-created concepts that people use in their minds to justify different things.

Once you realize that life is built around ideas, not the other way around, many things become apparent. or should.

iamislegrown · 12-25-2005, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Waves

Religion is a tool used to control people. It has no basis in reality and in the next few decades we will slowy see religion fall into obscurity...not like it isnt already.

Nowadays we have the scientists telling us what to believe...it used to be religions job. now it is purely a cash cow except for the less intelligent people who join the army believing in god, or join the army believing in allah. Its all fake bullshit that people build there beliefs around. Theres no way to prove "god" is fake just like there is no way to prove "sprituality" is fake. They are both man-created concepts that people use in their minds to justify different things.

Once you realize that life is built around ideas, not the other way around, many things become apparent. or should.

Agreed, everything but nature is a facade, everything else is "nontangable", just ideas (myths) gone too far.

SmokeSomeDoja · 12-25-2005, 05:40 PM

i think religion can be a positive or a negative thing, and in my experience, it is often more positive than anything.

sure religion gets and deserves alot of blame for certain things...rulers can use religion as a tool to control people, but they can use alot of things to control people, that doesnt make religion inherently bad.

i was loosely raised a catholic, went to catholic school then a jesuit high school. i wouldnt consider myself much a catholic, although i can participate in catholic/christian events and whatnot. but i also like to get bits of all the religions. i can go to a buddhist temple and meditate, or whatever else. i like to read the tao te ching, or hindu scriptures, or whatever else.

some of you should take a course in the worlds religions if you can, or just read up on them. they arent the evil mass-control-mechanism that some of you think it is.

i really like buddhist teachings.

i find that all the religions serve the same purpose. and that purpose is to make oneself a "better" person. thats obviously very subjective, but who are you or anyone else to define that? thats not to say everyone uses religion for the same purpose.

i personally think its kind of naive to say that religion is bad.

although i wouldnt consider myself a "religious" person, just because i do not regularly practice any one religion, i can honestly say that "religion" has made me a better person. being exposed to buddhism/taoism/hinduism/et al. has opened my eyes to alot of things. meditation is a great tool.

SmokeSomeDoja · 12-25-2005, 05:43 PM

i think one really needs to go below the surface of a religion in order to understand the fundamentals. otherwise, one really doesnt know much about said religion, and thats just another person running their mouths off about something they havent studied in depth, at the very least....including myself, but id say ive read about alot more religions than some of the people posting in this thread.

iamislegrown · 12-25-2005, 06:04 PM

I don't think it's really a matter who knows what about religeons, personally I have doubts about there being this divine entity which has to be apeased in order for us to achieve "holiness" in the so called hereafter. when I am walking or hiking in the wilderness I consider it "meditation" as I am looking around at the perfect raw beauty of nature.

Flamingnun · 12-25-2005, 06:08 PM

Religion is mankinds greatest downfall. However, im sure humans would find another scapegoat for their problems if religion didnt exist.

iamislegrown · 12-25-2005, 06:14 PM

Also, why is it that we (mankind) are worthy or in need of a "god", what real purpose does it serve for mankind, to make death less scary, believing we are going to a better place and not just ceaseing to exist?

Just my thoughts on this topic.

SmokeSomeDoja · 12-25-2005, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by iamislegrown

I don't think it's really a matter who knows what about religeons, personally I have doubts about there being this divine entity which has to be apeased in order for us to achieve "holiness" in the so called hereafter. when I am walking or hiking in the wilderness I consider it "meditation" as I am looking around at the perfect raw beauty of nature.

i think life is divine. the act of living and feeling. who are you to say that is not god? that we are god? that i am god?

Flamingnun · 12-25-2005, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by iamislegrown

Also, why is it that we (mankind) are worthy or in need of a "god", what real purpose does it serve for mankind, to make death less scary, believing we are going to a better place and not just ceaseing to exist?

Just my thoughts on this topic.

Thats a good point, thats what i meant by scapegoat. I guess we just feel insecure, and need that "someone is watching over me" crap. although, without religion, i think we'd be a few hundred years ahead of where we are now. Imho, anyway.

SmokeSomeDoja · 12-25-2005, 06:36 PM

just for the record, i believe in entities, if thats even the right word to use. i believe there are beings greater than humans...you can gather as much just from reading about various hallucinigenic drugs and the common themes from those various drugs - salvia and the "mother entity" being one of them, i guess.

i dont think inbibing a chemical is forcing a person to see something thats notn there, and many people probably think thats the case, thus its moot.

i believe drugs are tools, doorways that let you see things that one may not be able to see with the standard or sober mindset. and i believe by using certain drugs, one can even communicate with divine beings, entities, etc.

believe whatever the fuck you want to believe, but dont hate on what others believe just because you cant believe it yourself. this includes naive notions of what some people may believe about a stereotypical God fatherfigure with a beard in the sky. ones beliefs vary from one to another. this generalizing and grouping doesnt achieve very much. -- i think alot of you generalize about something you dont know about. all throughout the thread are naive notions about - god in heaven, believing in an afterlife to make you feel secure, etc etc. - they are really cliche notions about something far more deep than that.

and i also believe in an "after-life," but an "after-life" can mean a great many things. it doesnt mean the christian image of an after-life ingrained in your head, or the egyptian afterlife, or whatever the fuck.

i think that once you pass, depending on the level of ones awareness/conciousness/enlightenment, you can either be reincarnated as an animal or human, go to eternal bliss/nirvana (which i think can only be achieved through great consciousness/awareness), or something else, i guess "lingo" or whatever.

so, are my beliefs "religious" beliefs, or what? if i take bits and pieces of the worlds religions and put them together, is that religious, or spiritual? i think thats arguing useless semantics.

iamislegrown · 12-25-2005, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by SmokeSomeDoja

i think life is divine. the act of living and feeling. who are you to say that is not god? that we are god? that i am god?

I believe I said "personally" being my thought's, it could very well be god, we could be god, you could be god, but most religeons do have an entity defined as a "god" which mankind is to follow. Why is it that religeon have to be taught or learned, wouldn't it make sense to be universal or inate.

Again just my thoughts.

peace

12-25-2005, 03:33 PM	#1 (permalink)
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12-25-2005, 03:44 PM	#2 (permalink)
Lions & Christians (PB) former junky turned junky Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: evidently, here. Posts: 5,827 Thanks: 0 Thanked 15 Times in 3 Posts	funny how god speaks through so many different people, and says so many contradicting things, dont cha' think? it's almost like people are making up their own personal morals and ethics to adapt to their enviroment and authority figures. scary. __________________ The most dangerous drug on this planet has to be oxygen. A gateway drug to say the least, further more people use without even consideration, not consenting to moderation in the least, and dont even get me started on the withdrawels. the goal of alchemy is to turn lead into gold. to take a substance and combine it with another substance that makes it more than it's origenal worth. in this sense, you really need to start making bronze statues of your pharmacist or local chemist, for they have made gods own medicine, morphine, and in contrast, a shiney rock doesnt seem to compete.

12-25-2005, 03:46 PM	#3 (permalink)
iamislegrown YaHookan Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 995 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Does anyone have proof it isn't bullshit?mmmmmm __________________ Marc s. Emery quote: To be free in canada you have to spend a lot of time in jail.

12-25-2005, 03:48 PM	#4 (permalink)
Lions & Christians (PB) former junky turned junky Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: evidently, here. Posts: 5,827 Thanks: 0 Thanked 15 Times in 3 Posts	^ depends on the religion, and what individuals follow it. __________________ The most dangerous drug on this planet has to be oxygen. A gateway drug to say the least, further more people use without even consideration, not consenting to moderation in the least, and dont even get me started on the withdrawels. the goal of alchemy is to turn lead into gold. to take a substance and combine it with another substance that makes it more than it's origenal worth. in this sense, you really need to start making bronze statues of your pharmacist or local chemist, for they have made gods own medicine, morphine, and in contrast, a shiney rock doesnt seem to compete.

12-25-2005, 04:04 PM	#7 (permalink)
iamislegrown YaHookan Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 995 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	There is a book called "and man created god" by George Carl Mynchenberg, it poses alot of questions and answers depending on your beliefs. __________________ Marc s. Emery quote: To be free in canada you have to spend a lot of time in jail.

12-25-2005, 05:27 PM	#10 (permalink)
Waves Duderino Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: chiburbs Posts: 15,475 Thanks: 991 Thanked 4,021 Times in 2,219 Posts	Religion is a tool used to control people. It has no basis in reality and in the next few decades we will slowy see religion fall into obscurity...not like it isnt already. Nowadays we have the scientists telling us what to believe...it used to be religions job. now it is purely a cash cow except for the less intelligent people who join the army believing in god, or join the army believing in allah. Its all fake bullshit that people build there beliefs around. Theres no way to prove "god" is fake just like there is no way to prove "sprituality" is fake. They are both man-created concepts that people use in their minds to justify different things. Once you realize that life is built around ideas, not the other way around, many things become apparent. or should. __________________ On this life that we call home The years go fast and the days go so slow

12-25-2005, 05:40 PM	#12 (permalink)
SmokeSomeDoja Lushous Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Erogenous Zones Posts: 17,396 Thanks: 238 Thanked 445 Times in 279 Posts	i think religion can be a positive or a negative thing, and in my experience, it is often more positive than anything. sure religion gets and deserves alot of blame for certain things...rulers can use religion as a tool to control people, but they can use alot of things to control people, that doesnt make religion inherently bad. i was loosely raised a catholic, went to catholic school then a jesuit high school. i wouldnt consider myself much a catholic, although i can participate in catholic/christian events and whatnot. but i also like to get bits of all the religions. i can go to a buddhist temple and meditate, or whatever else. i like to read the tao te ching, or hindu scriptures, or whatever else. some of you should take a course in the worlds religions if you can, or just read up on them. they arent the evil mass-control-mechanism that some of you think it is. i really like buddhist teachings. i find that all the religions serve the same purpose. and that purpose is to make oneself a "better" person. thats obviously very subjective, but who are you or anyone else to define that? thats not to say everyone uses religion for the same purpose. i personally think its kind of naive to say that religion is bad. although i wouldnt consider myself a "religious" person, just because i do not regularly practice any one religion, i can honestly say that "religion" has made me a better person. being exposed to buddhism/taoism/hinduism/et al. has opened my eyes to alot of things. meditation is a great tool. __________________ fotoz fo yo azz "I've run over black cats that were luckier than me."

12-25-2005, 05:43 PM	#13 (permalink)
SmokeSomeDoja Lushous Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Erogenous Zones Posts: 17,396 Thanks: 238 Thanked 445 Times in 279 Posts	i think one really needs to go below the surface of a religion in order to understand the fundamentals. otherwise, one really doesnt know much about said religion, and thats just another person running their mouths off about something they havent studied in depth, at the very least....including myself, but id say ive read about alot more religions than some of the people posting in this thread. __________________ fotoz fo yo azz "I've run over black cats that were luckier than me."

12-25-2005, 06:04 PM	#14 (permalink)
iamislegrown YaHookan Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 995 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I don't think it's really a matter who knows what about religeons, personally I have doubts about there being this divine entity which has to be apeased in order for us to achieve "holiness" in the so called hereafter. when I am walking or hiking in the wilderness I consider it "meditation" as I am looking around at the perfect raw beauty of nature. __________________ Marc s. Emery quote: To be free in canada you have to spend a lot of time in jail.

12-25-2005, 06:08 PM	#15 (permalink)
Flamingnun Shpadoinkle Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: roflmao Posts: 17,538 Thanks: 1,046 Thanked 2,611 Times in 1,178 Posts	Religion is mankinds greatest downfall. However, im sure humans would find another scapegoat for their problems if religion didnt exist. __________________

12-25-2005, 06:14 PM	#16 (permalink)
iamislegrown YaHookan Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 995 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Also, why is it that we (mankind) are worthy or in need of a "god", what real purpose does it serve for mankind, to make death less scary, believing we are going to a better place and not just ceaseing to exist? Just my thoughts on this topic. __________________ Marc s. Emery quote: To be free in canada you have to spend a lot of time in jail.

12-25-2005, 06:36 PM	#19 (permalink)
SmokeSomeDoja Lushous Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Erogenous Zones Posts: 17,396 Thanks: 238 Thanked 445 Times in 279 Posts	just for the record, i believe in entities, if thats even the right word to use. i believe there are beings greater than humans...you can gather as much just from reading about various hallucinigenic drugs and the common themes from those various drugs - salvia and the "mother entity" being one of them, i guess. i dont think inbibing a chemical is forcing a person to see something thats notn there, and many people probably think thats the case, thus its moot. i believe drugs are tools, doorways that let you see things that one may not be able to see with the standard or sober mindset. and i believe by using certain drugs, one can even communicate with divine beings, entities, etc. believe whatever the fuck you want to believe, but dont hate on what others believe just because you cant believe it yourself. this includes naive notions of what some people may believe about a stereotypical God fatherfigure with a beard in the sky. ones beliefs vary from one to another. this generalizing and grouping doesnt achieve very much. -- i think alot of you generalize about something you dont know about. all throughout the thread are naive notions about - god in heaven, believing in an afterlife to make you feel secure, etc etc. - they are really cliche notions about something far more deep than that. and i also believe in an "after-life," but an "after-life" can mean a great many things. it doesnt mean the christian image of an after-life ingrained in your head, or the egyptian afterlife, or whatever the fuck. i think that once you pass, depending on the level of ones awareness/conciousness/enlightenment, you can either be reincarnated as an animal or human, go to eternal bliss/nirvana (which i think can only be achieved through great consciousness/awareness), or something else, i guess "lingo" or whatever. so, are my beliefs "religious" beliefs, or what? if i take bits and pieces of the worlds religions and put them together, is that religious, or spiritual? i think thats arguing useless semantics. __________________ fotoz fo yo azz "I've run over black cats that were luckier than me."

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