so when the bible/God says... - Page 2

DonJuanChron · 12-30-2005, 12:34 PM

when God said "Thou shalt have no other gods before me", he didnt nececarily mean heavenly beings, or whatever, he meant you shouldnt worship physical things as well. i.e.. money, clothes, cars.....

Waves · 12-30-2005, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by soulspeaker

It is so funny with you youngins'. The ones who claim to be so "evolved" and so open minded are really the ones who won't try to accept that maybe Christians as well as athiests have "found their own mind"

please explain to me how a women can get pregnant by magic.

please explain to me how god replicated eve by using adams hip bone, or whatever.

please explain to me how god created the heavens and the earth in seven days.

unless religion can answer these questions, to the minutest detail, im sticking to science. because i dont have to rely on blind faith and "it just happened"'s to support my beliefs.

Sugar420 · 12-30-2005, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Waves

please explain to me how a women can get pregnant by magic.

please explain to me how god replicated eve by using adams hip bone, or whatever.

please explain to me how god created the heavens and the earth in seven days.

unless religion can answer these questions, to the minutest detail, im sticking to science. because i dont have to rely on blind faith and "it just happened"'s to support my beliefs.

Mr Rogers told this great story about meeting a 5 year old who asked him with astonishment "how did you get out of the box?"
so Mr Rogers explained to him that he was a regular person, he lived in a house and had a family, and was only on t.v. as a part of his job. the 5 year old listened patiently to this explaination and nodded his head, then asked " But how will you get back into the box?"

Waves · 12-30-2005, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by v3d4

Mr Rogers told this great story about meeting a 5 year old who asked him with astonishment "how did you get out of the box?"
so Mr Rogers explained to him that he was a regular person, he lived in a house and had a family, and was only on t.v. as a part of his job. the 5 year old listened patiently to this explaination and nodded his head, then asked " But how will you get back into the box?"

Unfortunately we arent talking about a 5 year old child. we are talking about ideas people have in their heads as opposed to what happens in reality. if someone were to explain to me in detail how god inseminated a virgin with his sperm i would not ask for more like some ignorant child. i would be content. but so far science has not supported any of the claims the bible makes. this makes it no more real to me than lord of the rings or harry potter.

Frodo · 12-30-2005, 01:48 PM

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please explain to me how a women can get pregnant by magic.

please explain to me how god replicated eve by using adams hip bone, or whatever.

please explain to me how god created the heavens and the earth in seven days.

unless religion can answer these questions, to the minutest detail, im sticking to science. because i dont have to rely on blind faith and "it just happened"'s to support my beliefs.

Apparently the concept of god is lost on some people.

Sugar420 · 12-30-2005, 01:48 PM

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we are talking about ideas people have in their heads as opposed to what happens in reality.

exactly. both you and the 5 year old have ideas in your head that are different from reality. Mr. Rogers is not in the box. God is not in the box. why do you insist on the box?

Ego Tripping · 12-30-2005, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by supermarket :)

i think she was right, you shouldnt say "find your own mind" or "its all a crock". Thats your opinion, a fairly common one too, but just that, an opinion

And this a forum to express such things.

Uncanny logic!

I never said that every Christian is lost nor did I even mention the Atheistic perspective. I was responding to the topic idea that the aformentioned people would be condemned. Soulspeaker just can't see that from her horse which sits far too high.

Ego Tripping · 12-30-2005, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Lord_Frodo

Apparently the concept of god is lost on some people.

Exactly who's concept are you referring to?

Apparently subjectivity (the only thing we can prove is nobody can prove anything) is lost on some people.

This really should be a moved topic.

iamislegrown · 12-30-2005, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by SageTree

There was a great story on Fresh Air the other week about a man that was a biblical scholar and self described "devout"....well during his research though out the years he came to find that there was alot of errors in the simple re-writing from hand.
He said, if you think about it, one person making a unintentional or intentional error, then multiplied by the years from its first writing until the printing press. You get alot of misprints. After the press you get mass production flawed bibles.
Jewish Testaments weren't even writen down for 1500 yrs and the disciples didn't write the gospels of jesus for 40-50yrs after his death, how much could you remeber in 40 yrs.
On top of all of that a very rich king had a heavy say in a version of the bible. ie. it was named after him because he dictated every last page word and book that went into it.

Rich white Men have been responsible to rewrite and rewrite and keep true the word of god for a long time, through greed coruption, and human error......Based on that fact alone this man is now an atheist.

just wondered if anyone heard that interview it was very good.

You just have to ask yourself , " do you believe the bible in your hand today is THE same word that moses passed on to the tribe, and "trust worthy" disciples penned inspired by god"

I used to be christian, but around 16 I started asking too many questions for my own good. Through thought and consideration I have been able to revisit the Bible and find good things in it, but I can't say that it was ever ment to go into one book.

I think I remember seeing something about that in a documentary, they also mentioned that a scholar read and interpreted the dead sea scrolls, to his amazement did not find any reference to jesus christ, aparently the scrolls were from around the same time period that jesus was to have existed.

Frodo · 12-30-2005, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Ego Tripping

Exactly who's concept are you referring to?

The Christian one. That was contextually obvious.

Don't be dense just for the sake of contradicting someone.

iamislegrown · 12-30-2005, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by supermarket :)

1) Not all people who believe in "God" believe the bible

2) If taken out of context, the bible can always be misunderstood

3) In the bible it clearly states that sins committed out of ignorance one cannot be held accountable for

thus, if they have not heard the message of Christ or the bible, they are not accountable for their ignorance

Then what was the purpose of the missionaries?, to civilize? or spread the word of god?, or is it both?. People who have no access to the teachings are exempt from damnation because of ignorance?

Ego Tripping · 12-30-2005, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Lord_Frodo

The Christian one. That was contextually obvious.

Don't be dense just for the sake of contradicting someone.

As was mine, but apparently not that obvious eh?

**SageTree** · 12-30-2005, 03:08 PM

Translated from ancient hebrew..... virgin = young woman

Waves · 12-30-2005, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by v3d4

exactly. both you and the 5 year old have ideas in your head that are different from reality. Mr. Rogers is not in the box. God is not in the box. why do you insist on the box?

I simply want an explanation on how the virgin mary was inseminated according to the bible. i dont have any ideas in my head im asking for an idea. im asking how it happened, in reality, in real time.

Waves · 12-30-2005, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Lord_Frodo

The Christian one. That was contextually obvious.

Don't be dense just for the sake of contradicting someone.

The christian concept of god is a catch-all. im saying unless someone can explain to me the reality of the bible i will regard it as non-reality. and not incorporate it into any of my beliefs.

Ego Tripping · 12-30-2005, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by soulspeaker

How in the hell did I read anything between the lines?

Ok, lets take it back to Grade School level.

The topic starter asked a question.

I answered it. But I didn't put "imo" so I suppose without that much needed tag, people such as yourself can't mentally append that concept to my post.

Nobody has a "true" answer to his question, all we can give is opinions (which is what he requested). So I gave my opinion on it (its a crock) and advised him to not seek knowledge through a set doctrine but instead use the only thing that nobody can take away; his critical thinking (or, find his own mind/answers).

And you then call me close-minded?

I think your Soul needs to bite its tounge.

**SageTree** · 12-30-2005, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Waves

I simply want an explanation on how the virgin mary was inseminated according to the bible. i dont have any ideas in my head im asking for an idea. im asking how it happened, in reality, in real time.

See post #38

Ego Tripping · 12-30-2005, 03:33 PM

Of course not, its a discussion forum, this is how you utilize such a tool. But how you read "agree with me" from "use your own free thinking" is confusing, to say the least.

And you can't crush it sweetheart, if my hard-headedness hasn't displayed that already.

Waves · 12-30-2005, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by SageTree

See post #38

Ok so how about the creation of heaven and earth in seven days? I understand that christianity is an offshoot of judaism.

People, close/open minded has nothing to do with OTHER PEOPLE. it has to do with YOU analyzing beliefs and ideas and incorporating them- OR NOT- into your belief system.

**SageTree** · 12-31-2005, 09:27 AM

Hey mon,

Hope you didn't think I was defending anything

When I read that some time ago, it was just another thing that made me realize how that document, with the some good that is in it, has "lost alot in the translation"....to say the least.

I was a christian for the first 16 yrs of my life and when I reached that age I thought about too manythings, like is Ghandi going to hell? and alot of the thoughts expressed here....I could rationalize the Scripture " A day is a thousand years, and a thousand years is like a day". That made sense to me because I could grasp infinitie time, which is a concept I hold true. As I started my own theology as I grew older and found other religions to incorperate or relate to, I realized that I wasn't what the average person would have considered a "real" christian, in my church. Now that more time has passed I am able to revisit the bible and find things that I can apply to my life. However it is not viewed upon much differently than any other religions texts. I think the more "god" is explained the more it loses in mystery. I don't know what "god" IS, but I do believe it can't be anything that would want to hurt us intentionally. god is all ,I am part of all, a co creator. I don't get the whole firery god thing.

I really don't know what I hoped to say with, I guess I just wanted to let you alittle bit about me and why how I feel about things.

The biggest thing I've learned is the more you know about other religions, the more you know about your own. Most christian churchs I ever went to told me that the other were wrong and don't waste my time.....how much does the average jesus freak really know about the bible more often than not?

Shit people tell me I'm a good christian all the time.....little do they know

Peace man the biggest thing I hold true and makes me the saddest is, that religion should bring people together..not drive them apart.

Love

12-30-2005, 12:34 PM	#21 (permalink)
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SageTree ~Kalyāṇa-mitrā~ Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: In Love Posts: 22,612 Blog Entries: 26 Thanks: 11,486 Thanked 5,709 Times in 4,024 Posts	Translated from ancient hebrew..... virgin = young woman __________________ YaHooka is.... Cannabis lovers from around the world pulling up a comfy chair, picking up a vaporizer, a bong, a brownie, a pipe, or a joint, getting high, stoned, buzzed or healthy. Uniting our minds in conversation...While Portraying a Positive Image of marijuana and marijuana users to the world. Treat your fellow YaHookans with kindness,respect and tolerance. "We're not here to judge what's good from bad, But to do the things that are right."

12-30-2005, 03:33 PM	#38 (permalink)
Ego Tripping Are you in? Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 13,461 Thanks: 229 Thanked 657 Times in 438 Posts	Of course not, its a discussion forum, this is how you utilize such a tool. But how you read "agree with me" from "use your own free thinking" is confusing, to say the least. And you can't crush it sweetheart, if my hard-headedness hasn't displayed that already. __________________ God appears, and God is light, To those poor souls who dwell in night; But does a human form display To those who dwell in realms of day.

12-31-2005, 09:27 AM	#40 (permalink)
SageTree ~Kalyāṇa-mitrā~ Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: In Love Posts: 22,612 Blog Entries: 26 Thanks: 11,486 Thanked 5,709 Times in 4,024 Posts	Hey mon, Hope you didn't think I was defending anything When I read that some time ago, it was just another thing that made me realize how that document, with the some good that is in it, has "lost alot in the translation"....to say the least. I was a christian for the first 16 yrs of my life and when I reached that age I thought about too manythings, like is Ghandi going to hell? and alot of the thoughts expressed here....I could rationalize the Scripture " A day is a thousand years, and a thousand years is like a day". That made sense to me because I could grasp infinitie time, which is a concept I hold true. As I started my own theology as I grew older and found other religions to incorperate or relate to, I realized that I wasn't what the average person would have considered a "real" christian, in my church. Now that more time has passed I am able to revisit the bible and find things that I can apply to my life. However it is not viewed upon much differently than any other religions texts. I think the more "god" is explained the more it loses in mystery. I don't know what "god" IS, but I do believe it can't be anything that would want to hurt us intentionally. god is all ,I am part of all, a co creator. I don't get the whole firery god thing. I really don't know what I hoped to say with, I guess I just wanted to let you alittle bit about me and why how I feel about things. The biggest thing I've learned is the more you know about other religions, the more you know about your own. Most christian churchs I ever went to told me that the other were wrong and don't waste my time.....how much does the average jesus freak really know about the bible more often than not? Shit people tell me I'm a good christian all the time.....little do they know Peace man the biggest thing I hold true and makes me the saddest is, that religion should bring people together..not drive them apart. Love __________________ YaHooka is.... Cannabis lovers from around the world pulling up a comfy chair, picking up a vaporizer, a bong, a brownie, a pipe, or a joint, getting high, stoned, buzzed or healthy. Uniting our minds in conversation...While Portraying a Positive Image of marijuana and marijuana users to the world. Treat your fellow YaHookans with kindness,respect and tolerance. "We're not here to judge what's good from bad, But to do the things that are right."

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