so when the bible/God says... - Page 4

kitch · 07-15-2009, 04:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Geeno

Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth?

In the hour of your dying
Point your breath and think away
In one brief moment
All eternity comes clear

Give yourself unto the light
Gladly
Have no fear
It gave you life
The only thing it has to give
And your time will come
When your work is done
When your work is done

-Robert Hunter

kamikazi89 · 07-15-2009, 04:24 PM

ladeda

scottishbastard · 07-15-2009, 08:21 PM

In my opinion allah, god, rah, jah etc. are all the same entity understood in different ways by different cultures. The true god understands that we all understand him differently. I think most of the b.s. in the bible about god punishing and getting revenge is bullshit. I'm a deist in the sense that I think god intervenes rarely if ever. And I also believe that god is love, and therefore does not punish. The only way people can go to "hell" is if they choose it consiously or subconsiously. This whole punishment/revenge aspect is more applicable to the entity we call the devil or satan. It's like saying a father would completely disown his own child because of something theyve done or someone theyve become. A father might discipline, but a TRUE father that truly loves his child will never send him or her into permanent exile.

And as far as buddhism and stuff, buddhism follows no particular god, just a lifestyle. Some buddhists worship buddha, but I dont think they really see him as a "god" persay.

And keep in mind many cultures like Egyptians and Myans believed some of their leaders were gods or human incarnations of a god. The word god is understood in many different ways. Some believe its synonomous with nature, some believe it to be a spiritual entity, some believe its multiple figures...And about the multiple figures thing...Christians bash let's say Hindus for believing in multiple entities, but the christians believe in the father, the son and the holy spirit. Believing in multiple gods and believing in a triune godhead are just slightly different perceptions of the same issue.

Let's say a star or some kind of light phenomenon his happening in the sky. One person in California sees blue, green and white light coming from a single object. Someone in Minnesota sees red, orange and white light coming from several smaller objects. Neither one is wrong from where they are standing. They are giving the best description possible of what they saw. God cannot punish us for doing our best. If so, then why believe in this god? A vengeful, spiteful, perfectionist of a being?

The whole backbone of christianity is that god/jesus IS love. Love and forgiveness. Jesus said "Above all else, love eachother". These are the words of the lord, not the words of biased writers of the bible. If anything in the bible is true, it is the words of Jesus. If love is the ultimate message, then why would it be contradicted with death, plagues, hell etc.?

If I'm going to believe in this god, he must be a more enlightened being than myself. Revenge and murder and punishment are the creations of man's ego that he has the right to judge. We just project them as what god wants, just like we project our human image on him in drawings and descriptions (white beard, hair, humanoid structure).

hijabihippie · 07-16-2009, 08:07 AM

"Free your mind and your ass will follow.
The kingdom of Heaven lies within."

--George Clinton and Parliament/Funkadelic

I10HaulR · 07-16-2009, 05:05 PM

I see it a little different...

God's like someone who creates this great project for work, and then someone rips it off and claims it's theirs.And all these people are praising someone else when you know you created it. How would you feel?

verklingen · 07-17-2009, 07:19 AM

shouldn't god be above the concerns of a human ego?

kamikazi89 · 07-17-2009, 02:42 PM

.. why close our minds to the probabilities of more then one

I10HaulR · 07-17-2009, 04:19 PM

Because you go to hell...

kamikazi89 · 07-18-2009, 07:01 AM

only if you do it right, otherwise you gotta start all over again

I10HaulR · 07-18-2009, 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by verklingen

shouldn't god be above the concerns of a human ego?

LOL Yes, what was I thinking

kamikazi89 · 07-18-2009, 03:03 PM

i know mine are

SweetSativa · 07-18-2009, 04:09 PM

I don't think Jesus was all about ego, personally

"I am the way, the truth, and the light" (see there... 'we' is sayin' who's speaking)

"... whosoever believith in me shall not perish but have everlasting life."

Whoever believes in the light.... the truth.... the way... will travel that path of light. Jesus was a messenger... at least in my book.... like so many others. Wish I could speak/ read ancient Hebrew and that I had access to original sacred scrolls... then I could decide what was what. But because there are so many different religions, so many different texts (even the King James version of the Bible is full of lots of different books from many different periods, interpreted... you got it... many different ways)... I guess that my best bet is to use what God gave me. Shhhhhh....

The wind carries ancient voices....

... for those who have ears, let them hear.

kamikazi89 · 07-18-2009, 04:24 PM

other voices, other rooms(great album btw)

stoneric · 07-18-2009, 05:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by I10HaulR

Because you go to hell...

How do you know this? Or do you speak under the premise that we should understand that this is just your point of view?

**SageTree** · 07-18-2009, 10:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SweetSativa

... for those who have ears, let them hear.

Nice line from a Great Gospel that wasn't herd for centuries by most, but the essence still floating and permeating our lives.

The Gospel of Thomas for those who don't know about this Nag hammadi Scroll and the Essenes, is what I'm speaking of.

**~~Scion~~** · 07-19-2009, 03:03 AM

Formal organized religions, were the tools of kings and emperors who they used to legitimize their rule and armies as sanctioned and appointed by gods. They were conducted by priests, sometimes castrated or otherwise surgically altered priests, who were their privileged slaves/servants. They were able to pass this off on some highly superstitious people in ancient times....especially the traumatized women and children who were left after they invaded, raped, pillaged, and robbed the various lands, expanding their empires, and often killing off all the men. All who they conquered were considered their subjects/slaves and property and had to pay them tributes/taxes in various forms. the rulers were considered gods on earth or gods appointed-thus better than everyone else and legitimate in killing any at will. Religion and formal scriptures were old school propaganda of sorts and a psychological way of manipulating/ruling kingdoms and empires. The ones who created it never believed it. In reality, most of these kings and rulers practiced the dark arts.

Spirituality, however...is a different thing completely.

kamikazi89 · 07-19-2009, 06:11 AM

there are no wrong answers, the question was purely rhetorical..i'm sure theRev will back me up on this

hijabihippie · 07-20-2009, 07:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SweetSativa

I don't think Jesus was all about ego, personally

"I am the way, the truth, and the light" (see there... 'we' is sayin' who's speaking)

"... whosoever believith in me shall not perish but have everlasting life."

Whoever believes in the light.... the truth.... the way... will travel that path of light. Jesus was a messenger... at least in my book.... like so many others. Wish I could speak/ read ancient Hebrew and that I had access to original sacred scrolls... then I could decide what was what. But because there are so many different religions, so many different texts (even the King James version of the Bible is full of lots of different books from many different periods, interpreted... you got it... many different ways)... I guess that my best bet is to use what God gave me. Shhhhhh....

The wind carries ancient voices....

... for those who have ears, let them hear.

"Be still and know that I Am God"
-The Bible

kamikazi89 · 07-21-2009, 03:07 AM

ir's just a book/WORD(s),,nothing worth killing over

**SageTree** · 07-21-2009, 07:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hijabihippie

"Be still and know that I Am God"
-The Bible

Psalm 46:10

07-15-2009, 08:21 PM	#63 (permalink)
scottishbastard ARGH! FUCK! KILL! Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Castaic/Los Angeles California BITCHES! Posts: 1,956 Thanks: 32 Thanked 67 Times in 58 Posts	In my opinion allah, god, rah, jah etc. are all the same entity understood in different ways by different cultures. The true god understands that we all understand him differently. I think most of the b.s. in the bible about god punishing and getting revenge is bullshit. I'm a deist in the sense that I think god intervenes rarely if ever. And I also believe that god is love, and therefore does not punish. The only way people can go to "hell" is if they choose it consiously or subconsiously. This whole punishment/revenge aspect is more applicable to the entity we call the devil or satan. It's like saying a father would completely disown his own child because of something theyve done or someone theyve become. A father might discipline, but a TRUE father that truly loves his child will never send him or her into permanent exile. And as far as buddhism and stuff, buddhism follows no particular god, just a lifestyle. Some buddhists worship buddha, but I dont think they really see him as a "god" persay. And keep in mind many cultures like Egyptians and Myans believed some of their leaders were gods or human incarnations of a god. The word god is understood in many different ways. Some believe its synonomous with nature, some believe it to be a spiritual entity, some believe its multiple figures...And about the multiple figures thing...Christians bash let's say Hindus for believing in multiple entities, but the christians believe in the father, the son and the holy spirit. Believing in multiple gods and believing in a triune godhead are just slightly different perceptions of the same issue. Let's say a star or some kind of light phenomenon his happening in the sky. One person in California sees blue, green and white light coming from a single object. Someone in Minnesota sees red, orange and white light coming from several smaller objects. Neither one is wrong from where they are standing. They are giving the best description possible of what they saw. God cannot punish us for doing our best. If so, then why believe in this god? A vengeful, spiteful, perfectionist of a being? The whole backbone of christianity is that god/jesus IS love. Love and forgiveness. Jesus said "Above all else, love eachother". These are the words of the lord, not the words of biased writers of the bible. If anything in the bible is true, it is the words of Jesus. If love is the ultimate message, then why would it be contradicted with death, plagues, hell etc.? If I'm going to believe in this god, he must be a more enlightened being than myself. Revenge and murder and punishment are the creations of man's ego that he has the right to judge. We just project them as what god wants, just like we project our human image on him in drawings and descriptions (white beard, hair, humanoid structure). __________________ Yeah but you're going to do what you wanna do No matter what I ask of you You think you hold the high hand I've got my doubts I come from Chino where the asphalt sprouts ..... And even if I have to go to Claremont Well I guess I'll just have to go to Claremont Let me go Let me lie low Yeah but you're going to do what you wanna do No matter what I ask of you And you send your dark messengers to tempt me I come from Chino so all your threats are empty - the mountain goats

07-17-2009, 07:19 AM	#66 (permalink)
verklingen Radical Dreamer Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: texas Posts: 8,031 Thanks: 795 Thanked 1,470 Times in 940 Posts	shouldn't god be above the concerns of a human ego? __________________ “Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle.” rip matt

07-18-2009, 04:09 PM	#72 (permalink)
SweetSativa Lucid Daydreamer Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,930 Thanks: 26 Thanked 51 Times in 47 Posts	I don't think Jesus was all about ego, personally "I am the way, the truth, and the light" (see there... 'we' is sayin' who's speaking) "... whosoever believith in me shall not perish but have everlasting life." Whoever believes in the light.... the truth.... the way... will travel that path of light. Jesus was a messenger... at least in my book.... like so many others. Wish I could speak/ read ancient Hebrew and that I had access to original sacred scrolls... then I could decide what was what. But because there are so many different religions, so many different texts (even the King James version of the Bible is full of lots of different books from many different periods, interpreted... you got it... many different ways)... I guess that my best bet is to use what God gave me. Shhhhhh.... The wind carries ancient voices.... ... for those who have ears, let them hear. __________________ "Why is it that when people talk to God, we call it praying but when God talks to people, we call it crazy?"- Touched by an Angel http://www.youtube.com/user/immelody.../0/DDRj93dQ0O0

07-19-2009, 03:03 AM	#76 (permalink)
~~Scion~~ Banned Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 52 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Formal organized religions, were the tools of kings and emperors who they used to legitimize their rule and armies as sanctioned and appointed by gods. They were conducted by priests, sometimes castrated or otherwise surgically altered priests, who were their privileged slaves/servants. They were able to pass this off on some highly superstitious people in ancient times....especially the traumatized women and children who were left after they invaded, raped, pillaged, and robbed the various lands, expanding their empires, and often killing off all the men. All who they conquered were considered their subjects/slaves and property and had to pay them tributes/taxes in various forms. the rulers were considered gods on earth or gods appointed-thus better than everyone else and legitimate in killing any at will. Religion and formal scriptures were old school propaganda of sorts and a psychological way of manipulating/ruling kingdoms and empires. The ones who created it never believed it. In reality, most of these kings and rulers practiced the dark arts. Spirituality, however...is a different thing completely. Last edited by Scion; 07-19-2009 at 03:07 AM.

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hijabihippie YaHookan Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,587 Thanks: 1,153 Thanked 655 Times in 515 Posts	"Free your mind and your ass will follow. The kingdom of Heaven lies within." --George Clinton and Parliament/Funkadelic

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I10HaulR YaHookan Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 290 Thanks: 112 Thanked 117 Times in 71 Posts	I see it a little different... God's like someone who creates this great project for work, and then someone rips it off and claims it's theirs.And all these people are praising someone else when you know you created it. How would you feel?

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I10HaulR YaHookan Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 290 Thanks: 112 Thanked 117 Times in 71 Posts	Because you go to hell...

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