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Old 10-17-2010, 01:09 AM   #41 (permalink)
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i feel like its just mental masturbation to try to put people into categories like this
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Old 10-18-2010, 10:07 PM   #42 (permalink)
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^yes

I'll agree, it's mostly just fun to mess with. But if someone is totally green and hasn't ever read any comparative religion and such maybe this could be a interesting catalyst to the main event of really seeking one's own Path.
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well it also made me think that i obviously dont fit into the clearly ordered mind of whoever wrote those questions.
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1. Secular Humanism (100%)
2. Unitarian Universalism (96%)
3. Liberal Quakers (78%)
4. Nontheist (73%)
5. Theravada Buddhism (71%)
6. Neo-Pagan (65%)
7. Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (63%)
8. New Age (54%)
9. Taoism (45%)
10. Mahayana Buddhism (44%)
11. Reform Judaism (43%)
12. Orthodox Quaker (34%)
13. New Thought (32%)
14. Scientology (32%)
15. Baha'i Faith (28%)
16. Sikhism (25%)
17. Christian Science (Church of Christ, Scientist) (23%)
18. Jainism (21%)
19. Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons) (18%)
20. Mainline to Conservative Christian/Protestant (14%)
21. Eastern Orthodox (12%)
22. Hinduism (12%)
23. Islam (12%)
24. Orthodox Judaism (12%)
25. Roman Catholic (12%)
26. Seventh Day Adventist (9%)
27. Jehovah's Witness (6%)

Lol fair enough I guess.
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Old 10-22-2010, 02:39 PM   #45 (permalink)
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1. Secular Humanism (100%)
2. Unitarian Universalism (96%)
3. Liberal Quakers (78%)
4. Nontheist (73%)
5. Theravada Buddhism (71%)
6. Neo-Pagan (65%)
7. Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (63%)
8. New Age (54%)
9. Taoism (45%)
10. Mahayana Buddhism (44%)


Lol fair enough I guess.
Pretty interesting FG.

That which I left basically are Atheist in nature or have a super ambiguous idea of what 'god/universal energy' is. And the rest don't posit much about the subject. ....... The liberal christian one surprises me, although, I feel that it bears a close semblance to the Liberal Quakers, who I have also attended UU 'church' with, where there were certainly many 'non theists'. From a structural wording of things these people are almost what I'd call Atheist Believers, as in working with in the expression of mainline religions, however not buying into the 'man in the sky' idea of the way things are.


Thanks for taking a whack at it. I don't think there are enough choices unless you click the 'n/a' for a lot of the questions.... A theist obviously wrote this imo.
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From a structural wording of things these people are almost what I'd call Atheist Believers, as in working with in the expression of mainline religions, however not buying into the 'man in the sky' idea of [I]the way things are.

....A theist obviously wrote this imo.
It's still interesting even if it is asking how one would fit in with religion from a theist point of view.

All my family and stuff are all godly since time so it's not irrelevant.
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It's still interesting even if it is asking how one would fit in with religion from a theist point of view.

All my family and stuff are all godly since time so it's not irrelevant.
I agree it's an interesting tool to see how people's beliefs and ideas over lap...

It would be cool to have a test on what kind of non-theist/agnostic you are as well, since there seem to be a million sub labels to talk about that we well.

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1. Secular Humanism (100%)
2. Unitarian Universalism (96%)
3. Theravada Buddhism (83%)
4. Liberal Quakers (81%)
5. Nontheist (76%)
6. Neo-Pagan (65%)
7. Taoism (62%)
8. Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (57%)
9. Orthodox Quaker (54%)
10. Mahayana Buddhism (52%)
11. New Age (46%)
12. Jainism (45%)
13. Hinduism (41%)
14. Reform Judaism (35%)
15. Scientology (35%)
16. Baha'i Faith (33%)
17. Seventh Day Adventist (32%)
18. New Thought (32%)
19. Christian Science (Church of Christ, Scientist) (28%)
20. Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons) (27%)
21. Sikhism (27%)
22. Mainline to Conservative Christian/Protestant (20%)
23. Eastern Orthodox (17%)
24. Islam (17%)
25. Orthodox Judaism (17%)
26. Roman Catholic (17%)
27. Jehovah's Witness (12%)

I remember taking this quiz a while back and getting similar results. It's funny because I was raised a catholic but I can't buy into that shit anymore. It's really just not good for a person, running around with all that guilt for no reason and feeling like you're some kind of bastion of faith all the time. It's especially no good for the kids who are outsiders to begin with, I remember kids in school just fightin off the gay and hating themselves for hating abortion clinics but wanting to fuck the jocks on the football team. And then there's the whole Jesus complex, it makes me goddamn sick.

The only thing I ever really miss about church is the community, but then I think about what kind of wacky ideas of how life works were floating around in that community and I miss it much less. I appreciate now the people who were a part of that clusterfuck when I was a kid who were smart enough to put a little trimming on the shit they sold so that they could say, "these ideas are a little fucking crazy, do you get that?" so I'd be smart enough to say, "hey, these ideas are way fucking crazy, doesn't anyone else get that?"

I'm really glad that I made it out of that situation in one piece. Organized religion, I mean. I think as a structural and developmental tool it's probably got slim competition, it teaches alright morals and gives a person some kind of guidance when they're formative, it's just a question of how inclined or how encouraged that person is to ask what the fuck is going on every now and then.

I probably ended up with more eastern philosophy towards my end of the scale since I do somewhat subscribe to the wholeness of Nature and the interconnectedness of Being, mind as conduit of Consciousness and that kind of stuff, so that might be new from last time I took this quiz.

Well and hey, what the fuck is going on, YaHooka?
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Unitarian Universalism (100%)
Mahayana Buddhism (97%)
Neo-Pagan (95%)
Liberal Quakers (93%)
Theravada Buddhism (89%)
New Age (82%)
Hinduism (76%)
Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (73%)
Secular Humanism (71%)
Taoism (68%)
Jainism (67%)
Sikhism (60%)
Reform Judaism (57%)
New Thought (55%)
Orthodox Quaker (50%)
Scientology (46%)
Baha'i Faith (43%)
Nontheist (42%)
Christian Science (Church of Christ, Scientist) (36%)
Seventh Day Adventist (32%)
Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons) (28%)
Orthodox Judaism (27%)
Mainline to Conservative Christian/Protestant (21%)
Eastern Orthodox (20%)
Islam (20%)
Roman Catholic (20%)
Jehovah's Witness (15%)
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I gots hinduisim 100% !
then mahayana buddhism (98) and unitarian universalism (97) got no idea what either of them are but I like the sound of hinduism,wonder if i should start wearing the dot on my forehead now or later...
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Tried answering a few of these with a more open mind than perhaps the test perimeters are, but heck.... wanted to see what would come up differently

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1. Neo-Pagan (100%)
2. Unitarian Universalism (100%)
3. Liberal Quakers (96%)
4. Reform Judaism (92%)
5. Mahayana Buddhism (90%)
6. New Age (89%)
7. Sikhism (87%)
8. Hinduism (84%)
9. Theravada Buddhism (80%)
10. Jainism (80%)
11. Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (78%)
11. Baha'i Faith (74%)
12. New Thought (70%)
13. Scientology (62%)
14. Taoism (61%)
15. Orthodox Judaism (60%)
16. Orthodox Quaker (58%)
17. Secular Humanism (55%)
18. Islam (49%)
19. Christian Science (Church of Christ, Scientist) (47%)
20. Seventh Day Adventist (38%)
21. Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons) (35%)
22. Eastern Orthodox (31%)
23. Roman Catholic (31%)
24. Mainline to Conservative Christian/Protestant (31%)
25. Nontheist (24%)
26. Jehovah's Witness (23%)
Previously Reformed Judaism was 62% at best,
Jainism was 78%, so not too far of an increase,
Sikhism was 57% at it's highest previously,
Lowest ever for Theravada Buddhism ever.

Some other ups and down, but mainly had only tracked my top 10 the most.
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Thanks sage

Mine says:


1.Neo-Pagan (100%)
2.Liberal Quakers (98%)
3.Mahayana Buddhism (98%)
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Thanks sage

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1.Neo-Pagan (100%)
2.Liberal Quakers (98%)
3.Mahayana Buddhism (98%)
That's all you're going to share

Was #4 really that bad?

What about the other 20 some?

Even a top 10 would've been heady!

Hope you'll come back w/ more dude.
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Mahayana Buddhism (100%)
Theravada Buddhism (90%)
Neo-Pagan (88%)
Unitarian Universalism (88%)
Liberal Quakers (84%)
New Age (81%)
Taoism (78%)
Hinduism (72%)
New Thought (68%)
Scientology (68%)
Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (65%)
Christian Science (Church of Christ, Scientist) (59%)
Jainism (59%)
Orthodox Quaker (56%)
Reform Judaism (52%)
Secular Humanism (52%)
Sikhism (45%)
Baha'i Faith (44%)
Seventh Day Adventist (29%)
Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons) (26%)
Orthodox Judaism (23%)
Nontheist (22%)
Jehovah's Witness (19%)
Mainline to Conservative Christian/Protestant (19%)
Islam (17%)
Eastern Orthodox (10%)
Roman Catholic (10%)
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I just looked up the wiki entry on Secular Humanism, seen as Bief Net.org gave me a 100% on it.

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Secular Humanism, alternatively known as Humanism (often with a capital H to distinguish it from other forms of humanism), is a secular philosophy. It embraces human reason, ethics, and justice while specifically rejecting religious dogma, supernaturalism, pseudoscience or superstition as the basis of morality and decision-making.

Though it posits that human beings are capable of being ethical and moral without religion or God, it neither assumes humans to be inherently evil or innately good, nor presents humans as "above nature" or superior to it. Rather, the Humanist life stance emphasizes the unique responsibility facing humanity and the ethical consequences of human decisions. Fundamental to the concept of Secular Humanism is the strongly held viewpoint that ideology — be it religious or political — must be thoroughly examined by each individual and not simply accepted or rejected on faith. Along with this, an essential part of Secular Humanism is a continually adapting search for truth, primarily through science and philosophy.
To be fair, that is pretty cool.

Also, in the wiki entry, Secular Humanism is categorised under the heading Irreligion about which wiki says
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Thanks for the look up and post...

I have a question,

In your opinion, can't one live religiously with out having a theistic belief?

Like oh... idk.... Buddhists come to mind as a more formal Path,
but, to me, is not exclusive from just living religiously/intentionally etc....

Thoughts?

I mean I ask because I know 'Humanists' who practice spirituality of theistic and non/atheistic tendencies as well, and both of which exclude 'Secular' from the label of themselves.

I'm not asking you to answer for all people, but if you have more to say about other folks, that's cool too.

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TBH I had never even heard of the term Secular Humanist before I took the Belief Net.org thingy so I'm not really au fait with what it means, I always represent myself as an atheist.

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Makes sense to me, Buddhists are certainly religious without being theists, Taoists (don't quote me on Taoism being a religion but I think it is) too.

Thing is, I don't think I could describe myself as secular really, whist describing myself as a christian would be a far stretch, the major issue I have with christianity is I don't believe in god, not that I have any issue with Yesu's teachings apart from the bits about god.

But having said that, christian religions suck big time on the whole in my experience.

So most of the questions and answers that people pose about this stuff is pretty oxymoronic to me.
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Thanks man, made me think of this,

Perhaps Tillich creates a paradox of sorts in the blued text....
But I feel absolutist labeling is some what of a heinous task,
Some things, might best be expressed in a paradox even, as it sort of halts the mind, and with a zen like force, moves onto the more vital parts of the idea.
This 'God' seems to do little more than postulate our interconnectedness, imo.

(From a larger article on 'non-theistic religions')

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A few liberal Christian theologians, define a "nontheistic God" as "the ground of all being" rather than as a personal divine being. John Shelby Spong refers to a theistic God as "a personal being with expanded supernatural, human, and parental qualities, which has shaped every religious idea of the Western world."

From a nontheist, naturalist, and rationalist perspective, the concept of divine grace appears to be the same concept as luck.

Many of them owe much of their theology to the work of Christian existentialist philosopher Paul Tillich, including the phrase "the ground of all being".

Another quotation from Tillich is, "God does not exist. He is being itself beyond essence and existence. Therefore to argue that God exists is to deny him."

This Tillich quotation summarizes his conception of God.

He does not think of God as a being which exists in time and space, because that constrains God, and makes God finite. But all beings are finite, and if God is the Creator of all beings, God cannot logically be finite since a finite being cannot be the sustainer of an infinite variety of finite things. Thus God is considered beyond being, above finitude and limitation, the power or essence of being itself.

Secular humanist Sidney Hook wrote in an essay called "The Atheism of Paul Tillich":

With amazing courage Tillich boldly says that the God of the multitudes does not exist, and further, that to believe in His existence is to believe in an idol and ultimately to embrace superstition. God cannot be an entity among entities, even the highest. He is being-in-itself. In this sense Tillich's God is like the God of Spinoza and the God of Hegel. Both Spinoza and Hegel were denounced for their atheism by the theologians of the past because their God was not a Being or an Entity. Tillich, however, is one of the foremost theologians of our time.
It is what it is, but to me, it's somewhat of a refreshing alternative to the dude in the sky option.

Hands down though the 'gems' in religious texts and practices for me are tangible and practical... things that help others, help us know ourselves, are inclusive and don't entail belief beyond the 'faith' it takes to belief that we can.

This is personally why I struggle with saying I'm theist or atheist....
Neither really captures it for me.

That's why I probed you a little on the Humanist label,
So thanks for what you shared and said.

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Yeah I like that. There certainly is a pattern to existence but labelling it and trying to tie it down from personal preference is arrogant and stupid IMO.

Ill have took look into that Tillich geezer, thanks.
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