Proof that Jesus wasn't God

Mclennison · 12-31-2005, 03:49 PM

It says in the bible Jesus says to God when on the cross, why have you forsaken me?
Clear cut stuff which equates to Jesus wanting to be God.
Jesus sinned."that fictional jesus in the bible"(will make sense later)

Jesus isn't going to save me. I'm going to have to redeem myself.
Jesus is going to save me. I will redeem myslef with him!

but then again what does forsaken mean?
i bet it means someting like sorry or the like

Philly (.Y.) · 12-31-2005, 04:17 PM

no one ever said jesus was 'god'

maybe do some research?....might help with that whole stupidity thing youve got going on

Mclennison · 12-31-2005, 04:31 PM

umm, Christians try to tell me Jesus is God quite a lot.
I went to a private school for nearly 2 years where they said this stuff a lot...and now that im out i'm still hearing it. Maybe it has to do with me living in the bible belt.

So i thought I'd prove these people forgiven by using their own text...

snapshot · 12-31-2005, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Philly (.Y.)

no one ever said jesus was 'god'

maybe do some research?....might help with that whole stupidity thing youve got going on

Lots of people say that. They also include the Holy Spirit in this little contradiction. It's called the Holy Trinity? Duh?

Woods · 12-31-2005, 04:51 PM

Catholics get deeply into that shit. Like how the Virgin of XXXXX is Mary, but at the same time she's her own separate entity. The closest thing to it I can think of is the way Hindus treat different incarnations of the same God.

Prophet Saddam · 12-31-2005, 04:53 PM

The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

funky_unkle · 01-01-2006, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Mclennison

It says in the bible Jesus says to God when on the cross, why have you forsaken me?
Clear cut nonsense which equates to Jesus not being God.
Jesus sinned.

Jesus isn't going to save me. I'm going to have to redeem myself.

It's not proof that Jesus wasn't God, it's proof that he was also a man.

He said what he said so that we would never have to. He let himself be whipped so that we wouldn't have to whip ourselves.

Geeno · 01-01-2006, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Mclennison

It says in the bible Jesus says to God when on the cross, why have you forsaken me?
Clear cut nonsense which equates to Jesus not being God.
Jesus sinned.

Jesus isn't going to save me. I'm going to have to redeem myself.

This is one of those "questions to christianity" that really aren't even worth response.

K10 · 01-01-2006, 09:46 AM

That doesn't "prove" anything. You can't discredit a text and then use it as evidence. And anyway according to the bible jesus was the son of god and a piece of the trinity.....not god. I'm no christian, but at least make some sense with your arguements.

Mescalito · 01-01-2006, 11:18 AM

Funky_unkle - I missed your posts man. Where ya been?

Matt

ziplock · 01-01-2006, 11:55 AM

I've heard Jesus referred to as God as well. I just figured it was one of those interpretive differences among Christians. I never found it really substantial, he could be Buddha or the Son of Gandhi for all I care, doesn't effect his message and the facts within.

iamislegrown · 01-01-2006, 01:26 PM

According to the bible, not my belief, jesus was refered to as god.

Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Thessalonians 5:18 In everything give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you.

Corinthians 5:19 To whit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto Himself.

Legal lies · 01-01-2006, 01:37 PM

If a line in the Bible said,"And God said unto man that there is no God." would this prove that there is no God? I see the point you're getting at and I do feel that the line is brushed over quite a bit, though. Jesus is God's son, messenger, etc. and basically perfect until the end when he says that God has forsaken him. That's not very true to the rest of the Jesus character portrayed in the book. Stange book, strange religion, but the line alone proves nothing.

iamislegrown · 01-01-2006, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Legal lies

If a line in the Bible said,"And God said unto man that there is no God." would this prove that there is no God?.

If a line in the Bible said,"And God said unto man that jesus is God." would this prove that jesus is God?, no it would not.The thread itself "proof that jesus wasn't god", proves, there is no proof to prove "jesus wasn't god".

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Originally Posted by Legal lies

I see the point you're getting at and I do feel that the line is brushed over quite a bit, though. Jesus is God's son, messenger, etc. and basically perfect until the end when he says that God has forsaken him. That's not very true to the rest of the Jesus character portrayed in the book. Stange book, strange religion, but the line alone proves nothing.

I agree strange book and religion.

01-01-2006, 02:24 PM

some christians/catholics believe Jesus is god, but I argue that Jesus isn't god, he was the son of god. Does that make him a god? I can't say, only God or Jesus can.

But then I think about the Dhali Lama. He says he isn't a god. So I assume Jesus would be this same type of thinker and would say, I'm not a god. But then you'd have to think, did Jesus become a god when he died.

edit - But then if the bible says Jesus is god all of what I just said could be pointless.

Mescalito · 01-01-2006, 03:40 PM

^You ever see that scene from the Life of Brian?

Matt

ColtEtish · 01-01-2006, 04:00 PM

Can God make a rock that he can't lift?

When people ask you questions like that they are usually getting desperate to try and prove that God doesn't exist...most of the time I don't care what other people think about it. I do my thing you do yours...I'm not a fire and brimestone Christian who is going to lock you in my basement until you repent.

I'll even tell you a secret...I've used the empty bible paper to smoke out of...my mom said something funny when I said something about people using bible paper for that...she got a shocked and semi disgusted look on her face and then she laughed and said "this way when they go to hell they can really burn" or something like that

Waves · 01-01-2006, 05:20 PM

never use logic with a christian...they have a tremendous ability to defy it.

Canuck Wisdom · 01-01-2006, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Waves

never use logic with a christian...they have a tremendous ability to defy it.

lol true true. But logic is their weapon too, the one they use to defy.

Canuck Wisdom · 01-01-2006, 05:39 PM

Jesus is the mortal extension of God. His incarnate form. But Jesus was just a man, thats the point.

12-31-2005, 03:49 PM	#1 (permalink)
Mclennison i love twi'lek girls Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Rhone Alps France Posts: 500 Thanks: 30 Thanked 18 Times in 14 Posts	Proof that Jesus wasn't God It says in the bible Jesus says to God when on the cross, why have you forsaken me? Clear cut stuff which equates to Jesus wanting to be God. Jesus sinned."that fictional jesus in the bible"(will make sense later) Jesus isn't going to save me. I'm going to have to redeem myself. Jesus is going to save me. I will redeem myslef with him! but then again what does forsaken mean? i bet it means someting like sorry or the like Last edited by Mclennison; 02-28-2008 at 12:13 PM.

12-31-2005, 04:17 PM	#2 (permalink)
Philly (.Y.) Old School Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 2,477 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 2 Posts	no one ever said jesus was 'god' maybe do some research?....might help with that whole stupidity thing youve got going on __________________ Stickin you for yo' dough while I'm fuckin yo' broke ho bongsmilie

12-31-2005, 04:31 PM	#3 (permalink)
Mclennison i love twi'lek girls Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Rhone Alps France Posts: 500 Thanks: 30 Thanked 18 Times in 14 Posts	umm, Christians try to tell me Jesus is God quite a lot. I went to a private school for nearly 2 years where they said this stuff a lot...and now that im out i'm still hearing it. Maybe it has to do with me living in the bible belt. So i thought I'd prove these people forgiven by using their own text... Last edited by Mclennison; 02-28-2008 at 12:14 PM.

12-31-2005, 04:53 PM	#6 (permalink)
Prophet Saddam YaHookan 2011 Winner Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: CA, fuck yeah Posts: 16,345 Blog Entries: 11 Thanks: 3,702 Thanked 719 Times in 482 Posts	The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. __________________ SUPPORT THE TROOPS --------------------- BRING THEM HOME & FUCK THE WAR

01-01-2006, 09:46 AM	#9 (permalink)
K10 Lazy lightning Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: out in the cold rain and snow Posts: 3,142 Thanks: 133 Thanked 337 Times in 184 Posts	That doesn't "prove" anything. You can't discredit a text and then use it as evidence. And anyway according to the bible jesus was the son of god and a piece of the trinity.....not god. I'm no christian, but at least make some sense with your arguements. __________________ Just because you tie dye your wool, doesn't mean you're not a sheep. R.I.P. Alice D.

01-01-2006, 11:18 AM	#10 (permalink)
Mescalito Oneironaut Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 6,294 Thanks: 866 Thanked 907 Times in 444 Posts	Funky_unkle - I missed your posts man. Where ya been? Matt

01-01-2006, 11:55 AM	#11 (permalink)
ziplock Dreamer of the dreams Join Date: May 2004 Location: British Columbia Posts: 2,110 Thanks: 15 Thanked 91 Times in 71 Posts	I've heard Jesus referred to as God as well. I just figured it was one of those interpretive differences among Christians. I never found it really substantial, he could be Buddha or the Son of Gandhi for all I care, doesn't effect his message and the facts within. __________________ Insanity is the only sane reaction to an insane society.

01-01-2006, 01:26 PM	#12 (permalink)
iamislegrown Old School Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 995 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	According to the bible, not my belief, jesus was refered to as god. Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. Thessalonians 5:18 In everything give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you. Corinthians 5:19 To whit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto Himself. __________________ Marc s. Emery quote: To be free in canada you have to spend a lot of time in jail.

01-01-2006, 01:37 PM	#13 (permalink)
Legal lies Old School Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: C'ville Posts: 1,161 Thanks: 13 Thanked 20 Times in 15 Posts	Not proof at all If a line in the Bible said,"And God said unto man that there is no God." would this prove that there is no God? I see the point you're getting at and I do feel that the line is brushed over quite a bit, though. Jesus is God's son, messenger, etc. and basically perfect until the end when he says that God has forsaken him. That's not very true to the rest of the Jesus character portrayed in the book. Stange book, strange religion, but the line alone proves nothing. __________________ Stop the brainwashing! 'The fact that we live at the bottom of a deep gravity well, on the surface of a gas covered planet going around a nuclear fireball 90 million miles away and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be'.-Douglas Adams The only thing I'm afraid of is fear.-legal lies I tell you, we are here on Earth to fart around, and don't let anybody tell you different. -Kurt Vonnegut

01-01-2006, 02:24 PM	#15 (permalink)
Michigan_Militia Guest Posts: n/a	some christians/catholics believe Jesus is god, but I argue that Jesus isn't god, he was the son of god. Does that make him a god? I can't say, only God or Jesus can. But then I think about the Dhali Lama. He says he isn't a god. So I assume Jesus would be this same type of thinker and would say, I'm not a god. But then you'd have to think, did Jesus become a god when he died. edit - But then if the bible says Jesus is god all of what I just said could be pointless.

01-01-2006, 03:40 PM	#16 (permalink)
Mescalito Oneironaut Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 6,294 Thanks: 866 Thanked 907 Times in 444 Posts	^You ever see that scene from the Life of Brian? Matt

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Waves Duderino Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: chiburbs Posts: 15,405 Thanks: 991 Thanked 4,036 Times in 2,224 Posts	never use logic with a christian...they have a tremendous ability to defy it. __________________ On this life that we call home The years go fast and the days go so slow

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