Superior species...

tokemaster · 01-07-2006, 01:42 PM

In thought of evolution, is there a possibility of there existing a step ahead of humans? Would these treat humans like we today treat vermin? Think about the dinosaurs 60 million years ago - they were the ruling specie on earth. Think about now - we, the humans, rule this planet. What will the world look like in another 60 million?
Peace out.

**~~spellbinder~~** · 01-07-2006, 01:51 PM

hmmm.......i thought i was a superior species...but then i realised i was just high

bookends4u · 01-07-2006, 02:47 PM

The thing with human evolution (caracterized by a specie working has society) is you can only go so far before fucking the ecosystem up... At least within the concepts of duality and ego...

See you cant imagine us living 60 million years more... Because you can be sure has hell we'll have fucked everything and there will be no more water and ect ect...

The only possibility of us becomming something superior would be
1- travelling in space to extend our territory has species, find new ressources... ect
2- actually working with your ecosystem and controlling and putting moderation to our immediate behaviour... ect

For both of them we are quite far from having achieved...

Has for the thing of beeing treated by vermin by superior beeings, I think that if they actually became superior it must be because they found out that they were better off treating everything with respect...

I mean it's obvious that we could offer some piece of information about a thing or two... The best deal for everyone is working together sharing and ect...

And I believe superior people would of understood that... or else they would of wiped each other out themselves...

snapshot · 01-08-2006, 02:10 PM

From only your first sentence, I get the feeling you view evolution as a singluar path. I stopped reading after you said evolution can only go so far before it fucks up the eco-system. What? WTF does that have to do with evolution?

btw, search wikipedia for Dyson Sphere.

ganja_juggalo85 · 01-09-2006, 09:52 AM

Now this may not make sense but it is what I believe and that is what matters to me. Someone may be able to post something to change my view but I don't expect anyone to try to change it. I also don't expect anyone to accept my view on this subject. I just wanted to put my two cents in.

I believe it is possible for there to be a superior species above humans. If one believes in evolution then they would believe that everything would be ever changing to adapt to the ecosystem they are living in in order to survive. Humans came from another species, so what is to say that we won't change into another species that will rule over us. I also believe that we will evolve into different species. Such as there are different types of fish there wil be different types of what ever we evolve into. We will evolve to meet the demands of our environment even if we are the ones changing it. There must be a reason we invented and discovered the things we do. I beleive there is a higher unknown force controlling us to a point. This force started life and allowed it to evolve to be able to perfect itself. But what is perfect? There will never be a perfect but rather a better and more advanced species.

iamislegrown · 01-09-2006, 10:26 AM

Could the human species be mutant?

ganja_juggalo85 · 01-09-2006, 10:36 AM

In theory of evolution, then yes humans are mutants along with every other species on the earth. The theory of evolving says that species change over time to adapt. A mutation to a species would be its way of adapting to the changing environment.

Seeds&Stems · 01-09-2006, 11:49 AM

1. Something must happen to the human race to end our world domination. (War, an asteroid hit, or some shit)

2. Another species must be allowed to evolve without our involment for thousands, maybe millions of years.

3. When the "superspecies" meets man in the new world it must be able to pwn Us.

I'm guessing it will be a race of land walking dolphins which will kill it's prey by emmiting ultra sonic screams. Humans will be held in cages and do things to amuse our dolphin masters like stacking blocks and gripping things with our now useless opposable thumbs.

ganja_juggalo85 · 01-09-2006, 12:28 PM

How will the dolphins caputure us? We have Chuck Norris, who can deliver a kick which could shatter bones.

**SageTree** · 01-10-2006, 10:16 AM

8 hr days and taxes, Is that superior? I'm not so sure...what is superior? Are trees superior to us becuase with out them we wouldn't have oxygen? or would be breath something else and would have evolved differently...No I'm pretty sure alot of things would be different with out oxygen... like water, which wouldn't be water....so is water superior, we are made up of it and trees need it to live, so are we like 3rd in line? Where does it start? What is superiority? Or are we all superior or inferior, linked by all actions.

Geeno · 01-10-2006, 11:44 AM

Humans need to be more like spiderman if we really are so superior. With great power comes great responsibility.

**SageTree** · 01-10-2006, 12:01 PM

Good metaphore^^^^^^^Agre e 100%

pullmeunder · 01-10-2006, 12:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sandman_130

Nothing will ever be superior to the human race.

What's your reasoning for that?

iamislegrown · 01-10-2006, 02:20 PM

Humans superior, yeah right, so say we.

ziplock · 01-10-2006, 10:40 PM

"Superior" is a subjective measurement from one's current understanding and position, it is not a universal ruling.

Evolution is the relationship between the organism and environment. It is NOT a one way, linear progression to something bigger, faster, stronger, better. This is a common misconception.

Many things are "superior" to humans in regards to physical ability. There's other organisms that are faster, stronger, deadlier, that can hold their breath long, etc. These traits would be seen as superior. However, humans have the greatest intelligence through which they dominate.

We'd then, by our measure, percieve superior as somehting more intelligent. Considering intelligence is a culturally conditioned thing (feral children for instance) a "superior" species would have a depth and structure of culture that aids them in intellectual development and understanding. They'd then probably be a peaceful people, recognizing the importance of cooperation and aiding one another. This would bring about peace on their planet allowing them to develope beyond. The other type of species would be on that physically dominated a species, perhaps making the others extinct. They'd then as a unified whole in their own progress beyond their plant holding onto their traditions of brutally and aggression.

We'd be a species that's in the middle, deciding which path to take. Imo. And this opinion might change tomorrow cuz I'm pretty fucke d up. Peace!

ziplock · 01-11-2006, 12:12 AM

There are animals that are superior to humans as well. And your point is....

?

Waves · 01-11-2006, 12:13 AM

humans are animals???!?!?

01-11-2006, 12:20 AM

My point of view on superior species is that we have been alive a fraction of what dinosoars had been alive for. We think we will be here for ever. but unless an asteroid or then sun burns out or a natrual desaster happens first, there WILL be a spcies' that WILL take us over. Maybe not for a few million years but we can't last for ever. That or we will evolve.

Look at that on gorilla that smokes in that one zoo. There's eveolution all arround us. Who knows in a few hundred years that gorilla could be the grandpa/grandma of a new spieces of mamals.

Anything could happen some day!

ziplock · 01-11-2006, 07:13 PM

Anyone read the book "Ishmael"? It's about a gorilla. I had to for school, cool book. Anyways, in it theres something like this.

The jellyfish, talking to the anthropologist, sees jellyfish as the
final result of evolution, and the human sees humanity the same way.

Ishmael: "Why is it you are able to see that evolution goes beyond the
jellyfish?"

Human: "Because I, through science, have observed the evolution of the
jellyfish, and other beings that evolved after it. I've seen the
bigger picture."

Ishmael: "And how might another being a million years in the future see the
evolution of humans? Will he see that they stopped evolving, stayed the
same for the next million years? Would that seem to be the best
possible outcome of the human story?"

The Rev · 01-12-2006, 12:30 AM

This question comes up alot with the idea of aliens. If they are so much more advanced than us, then would they treat us the way we treat animals? Personally, I don't think they would be as indifferent to us as we are to animals, much in the same way that we are not as indifferent to animals as they are to each other. Watch a cat with a mouse some time, and you'll see what I mean. I think it is safe to say that humans are the most compassionate species on the planet (for the most part). We can often be the most cruel as well, but it's usually serial killers, and people with real issues, who treat animals the way a cat treats a mouse.

The Rev

01-07-2006, 01:42 PM	#1 (permalink)
tokemaster tokeMASter Join Date: May 2005 Location: malaga, spain Posts: 108 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Superior species... In thought of evolution, is there a possibility of there existing a step ahead of humans? Would these treat humans like we today treat vermin? Think about the dinosaurs 60 million years ago - they were the ruling specie on earth. Think about now - we, the humans, rule this planet. What will the world look like in another 60 million? Peace out.

01-09-2006, 09:52 AM	#5 (permalink)
ganja_juggalo85 Fingers McChoppy Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: In a house Posts: 38 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Now this may not make sense but it is what I believe and that is what matters to me. Someone may be able to post something to change my view but I don't expect anyone to try to change it. I also don't expect anyone to accept my view on this subject. I just wanted to put my two cents in. I believe it is possible for there to be a superior species above humans. If one believes in evolution then they would believe that everything would be ever changing to adapt to the ecosystem they are living in in order to survive. Humans came from another species, so what is to say that we won't change into another species that will rule over us. I also believe that we will evolve into different species. Such as there are different types of fish there wil be different types of what ever we evolve into. We will evolve to meet the demands of our environment even if we are the ones changing it. There must be a reason we invented and discovered the things we do. I beleive there is a higher unknown force controlling us to a point. This force started life and allowed it to evolve to be able to perfect itself. But what is perfect? There will never be a perfect but rather a better and more advanced species. __________________ Yes that is a cropped picture of my cut off finger. <------ Peace not greed 'The tree of Liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants'God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such rebellion; what country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms!' ' Thomas Jefferson

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iamislegrown YaHookan Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 995 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Could the human species be mutant? __________________ Marc s. Emery quote: To be free in canada you have to spend a lot of time in jail.

01-09-2006, 10:36 AM	#7 (permalink)
ganja_juggalo85 Fingers McChoppy Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: In a house Posts: 38 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	In theory of evolution, then yes humans are mutants along with every other species on the earth. The theory of evolving says that species change over time to adapt. A mutation to a species would be its way of adapting to the changing environment. __________________ Yes that is a cropped picture of my cut off finger. <------ Peace not greed 'The tree of Liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants'God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such rebellion; what country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms!' ' Thomas Jefferson

01-09-2006, 11:49 AM	#8 (permalink)
Seeds&Stems old and unimproved Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: paper st Posts: 2,981 Blog Entries: 2 Thanks: 102 Thanked 52 Times in 37 Posts	1. Something must happen to the human race to end our world domination. (War, an asteroid hit, or some shit) 2. Another species must be allowed to evolve without our involment for thousands, maybe millions of years. 3. When the "superspecies" meets man in the new world it must be able to pwn Us. I'm guessing it will be a race of land walking dolphins which will kill it's prey by emmiting ultra sonic screams. Humans will be held in cages and do things to amuse our dolphin masters like stacking blocks and gripping things with our now useless opposable thumbs. __________________ There are two kinds of people, those who finish what they start...ect

01-07-2006, 01:51 PM	#2 (permalink)
~~spellbinder~~ Banned Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: sailing the high seas Posts: 313 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	hmmm.......i thought i was a superior species...but then i realised i was just high

01-07-2006, 02:47 PM	#3 (permalink)
bookends4u Old School Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 286 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	The thing with human evolution (caracterized by a specie working has society) is you can only go so far before fucking the ecosystem up... At least within the concepts of duality and ego... See you cant imagine us living 60 million years more... Because you can be sure has hell we'll have fucked everything and there will be no more water and ect ect... The only possibility of us becomming something superior would be 1- travelling in space to extend our territory has species, find new ressources... ect 2- actually working with your ecosystem and controlling and putting moderation to our immediate behaviour... ect For both of them we are quite far from having achieved... Has for the thing of beeing treated by vermin by superior beeings, I think that if they actually became superior it must be because they found out that they were better off treating everything with respect... I mean it's obvious that we could offer some piece of information about a thing or two... The best deal for everyone is working together sharing and ect... And I believe superior people would of understood that... or else they would of wiped each other out themselves...

01-08-2006, 02:10 PM	#4 (permalink)
snapshot no custom. customize Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: The unOriginal Rorschach. Posts: 19,305 Thanks: 15 Thanked 18 Times in 17 Posts	From only your first sentence, I get the feeling you view evolution as a singluar path. I stopped reading after you said evolution can only go so far before it fucks up the eco-system. What? WTF does that have to do with evolution? btw, search wikipedia for Dyson Sphere.

01-09-2006, 12:28 PM	#9 (permalink)
ganja_juggalo85 Fingers McChoppy Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: In a house Posts: 38 Thanks: 1 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	How will the dolphins caputure us? We have Chuck Norris, who can deliver a kick which could shatter bones. __________________ Yes that is a cropped picture of my cut off finger. <------ Peace not greed 'The tree of Liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants'God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such rebellion; what country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms!' ' Thomas Jefferson

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SageTree ~Kalyāṇa-mitrā~ Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: In Love Posts: 22,612 Blog Entries: 26 Thanks: 11,485 Thanked 5,709 Times in 4,024 Posts	8 hr days and taxes, Is that superior? I'm not so sure...what is superior? Are trees superior to us becuase with out them we wouldn't have oxygen? or would be breath something else and would have evolved differently...No I'm pretty sure alot of things would be different with out oxygen... like water, which wouldn't be water....so is water superior, we are made up of it and trees need it to live, so are we like 3rd in line? Where does it start? What is superiority? Or are we all superior or inferior, linked by all actions. __________________ YaHooka is.... Cannabis lovers from around the world pulling up a comfy chair, picking up a vaporizer, a bong, a brownie, a pipe, or a joint, getting high, stoned, buzzed or healthy. Uniting our minds in conversation...While Portraying a Positive Image of marijuana and marijuana users to the world. Treat your fellow YaHookans with kindness,respect and tolerance. "We're not here to judge what's good from bad, But to do the things that are right."

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SageTree ~Kalyāṇa-mitrā~ Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: In Love Posts: 22,612 Blog Entries: 26 Thanks: 11,485 Thanked 5,709 Times in 4,024 Posts	Good metaphore^^^^^^^Agre e 100% __________________ YaHooka is.... Cannabis lovers from around the world pulling up a comfy chair, picking up a vaporizer, a bong, a brownie, a pipe, or a joint, getting high, stoned, buzzed or healthy. Uniting our minds in conversation...While Portraying a Positive Image of marijuana and marijuana users to the world. Treat your fellow YaHookans with kindness,respect and tolerance. "We're not here to judge what's good from bad, But to do the things that are right."

01-10-2006, 02:20 PM	#14 (permalink)
iamislegrown YaHookan Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 995 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Humans superior, yeah right, so say we. __________________ Marc s. Emery quote: To be free in canada you have to spend a lot of time in jail.

01-10-2006, 10:40 PM	#15 (permalink)
ziplock Dreamer of the dreams Join Date: May 2004 Location: British Columbia Posts: 2,110 Thanks: 15 Thanked 91 Times in 71 Posts	"Superior" is a subjective measurement from one's current understanding and position, it is not a universal ruling. Evolution is the relationship between the organism and environment. It is NOT a one way, linear progression to something bigger, faster, stronger, better. This is a common misconception. Many things are "superior" to humans in regards to physical ability. There's other organisms that are faster, stronger, deadlier, that can hold their breath long, etc. These traits would be seen as superior. However, humans have the greatest intelligence through which they dominate. We'd then, by our measure, percieve superior as somehting more intelligent. Considering intelligence is a culturally conditioned thing (feral children for instance) a "superior" species would have a depth and structure of culture that aids them in intellectual development and understanding. They'd then probably be a peaceful people, recognizing the importance of cooperation and aiding one another. This would bring about peace on their planet allowing them to develope beyond. The other type of species would be on that physically dominated a species, perhaps making the others extinct. They'd then as a unified whole in their own progress beyond their plant holding onto their traditions of brutally and aggression. We'd be a species that's in the middle, deciding which path to take. Imo. And this opinion might change tomorrow cuz I'm pretty fucke d up. Peace! __________________ Insanity is the only sane reaction to an insane society.

01-11-2006, 12:12 AM	#16 (permalink)
ziplock Dreamer of the dreams Join Date: May 2004 Location: British Columbia Posts: 2,110 Thanks: 15 Thanked 91 Times in 71 Posts	There are animals that are superior to humans as well. And your point is.... ? __________________ Insanity is the only sane reaction to an insane society.

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01-11-2006, 12:20 AM	#18 (permalink)
trab1925 Guest Posts: n/a	My point of view on superior species is that we have been alive a fraction of what dinosoars had been alive for. We think we will be here for ever. but unless an asteroid or then sun burns out or a natrual desaster happens first, there WILL be a spcies' that WILL take us over. Maybe not for a few million years but we can't last for ever. That or we will evolve. Look at that on gorilla that smokes in that one zoo. There's eveolution all arround us. Who knows in a few hundred years that gorilla could be the grandpa/grandma of a new spieces of mamals. Anything could happen some day!

01-11-2006, 07:13 PM	#19 (permalink)
ziplock Dreamer of the dreams Join Date: May 2004 Location: British Columbia Posts: 2,110 Thanks: 15 Thanked 91 Times in 71 Posts	Anyone read the book "Ishmael"? It's about a gorilla. I had to for school, cool book. Anyways, in it theres something like this. The jellyfish, talking to the anthropologist, sees jellyfish as the final result of evolution, and the human sees humanity the same way. Ishmael: "Why is it you are able to see that evolution goes beyond the jellyfish?" Human: "Because I, through science, have observed the evolution of the jellyfish, and other beings that evolved after it. I've seen the bigger picture." Ishmael: "And how might another being a million years in the future see the evolution of humans? Will he see that they stopped evolving, stayed the same for the next million years? Would that seem to be the best possible outcome of the human story?" __________________ Insanity is the only sane reaction to an insane society.

01-12-2006, 12:30 AM	#20 (permalink)
The Rev Clear Light Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: In my head, somewhere. Posts: 17,674 Thanks: 4,716 Thanked 5,059 Times in 2,710 Posts	This question comes up alot with the idea of aliens. If they are so much more advanced than us, then would they treat us the way we treat animals? Personally, I don't think they would be as indifferent to us as we are to animals, much in the same way that we are not as indifferent to animals as they are to each other. Watch a cat with a mouse some time, and you'll see what I mean. I think it is safe to say that humans are the most compassionate species on the planet (for the most part). We can often be the most cruel as well, but it's usually serial killers, and people with real issues, who treat animals the way a cat treats a mouse. The Rev __________________ "You're seriously flying close to the fag-sun, icarus." -Flamingnun