so Jesus died for our sins? HMM... - Page 2

Edit · 01-17-2006, 10:31 PM

AnimalLover420 · 01-17-2006, 10:31 PM

Lolz, I T-shirt hell!! I got these two shirt from there, they have pretty fast shipping too.

deadhead94 · 01-17-2006, 10:37 PM

best jesus based picture ever

AnimalLover420 · 01-17-2006, 10:41 PM

Oh yeah, J.C.'s in the hizzzouse.

vanilla · 01-18-2006, 12:00 AM

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Lolz, I T-shirt hell!! I got these two shirt from there, they have pretty fast shipping too.

whats the deal with the IV:XX one, i dont get it...

Edit · 01-18-2006, 12:02 AM

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whats the deal with the IV:XX one, i dont get it...

420 dumbass...

Sugar420 · 01-18-2006, 12:16 AM

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Well this is how it works out. The very first followers of the Hebrew God were required to make specific sacrifices of blood, grain, incense, etc. to atone for their sins. The animals they chose had to be pure to show that the people had obedience to God and resentment for their wrongs.. Profits as early as 300 B.C. began talking of a messiah and made striking predictions about the death of Christ. Jesus was born free of sin and lived his entire life free of sin and therefore served as the ultimate sacrifice for humankind if we can humble ourselves enough to admit it. That is a very basic version of what I believe to be true, take it or leave it...

i think i am with you on this.

for the early jews and a lot of other world religions, it was all about making sacrifices to God, basically to stay on God's good side. and that was just the relationship people had with God then becuz even among themselves, morality was measured by "eye for an eye" and every act had to be measured by this kind of "moral accounting"
even today people talk about this kind of moral accounting in money terms: somebody does somthing shitty to you, and its your moral obligation to "pay him back" with some equally shitty treatment, unless you want to "pay him back, with interest"
but if you want somebody to do a good deed for you, you say "ill owe you one"
so people were making sacifices to God all the time to keep this kind of accounting with God

then Jesus turned it around. it was no longer people making sacrifices to God, but God making a sacrifice to us. and all the law about sins and sacrifice and stoning people, and exiling people out of your camp, all of that is finished.
Jesus changed that whole thing: the whole way of thinking about morality and humans relationship to God

so when we say "Jesus died on the cross for our sins" it is another way of saying that Jesus did away with moral accounting by paying our bill once and for all. people dont "owe" sacrifices anymore, and when you brother strikes you, you dont smack him back just as hard or harder, you turn the other cheek.

vanilla · 01-18-2006, 12:26 AM

do you guys think jesus was down with OPP ??

North_of_Sanity · 01-18-2006, 03:53 AM

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aaaaahahahaHAHAHAHA! !!!

Equally hilarious!

Lloydy · 01-18-2006, 04:37 AM

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hahahahaha what a belta

North_of_Sanity · 01-18-2006, 04:40 AM

I missed that one.

Nice!

**~~smoke~~** · 01-18-2006, 07:06 AM

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man this guys a fucking idiot. Every post he makes is stupid.

^^^fine irony.

i feel like im watching the greco-roman wrestling championships at the special olympics.

iamislegrown · 01-18-2006, 07:10 AM

The idea being that jesus was put to death because he was the "son of god", basically an innocent man, how many innocent people do you think were put to death at that time in history because of their beliefs, is it possible jesus was the only one, I think not?. This is the main idea of the crucifixation Jesus=martyr.

FLiP · 01-18-2006, 07:12 AM

everyone knows he was nailed to the cross for racist reasons. come on, a white guy in the isreal or where ever it happened, thats asking for trouble.

francis · 01-18-2006, 07:18 AM

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thanks for that. now jesus is floatin around in my vision.

Geeno · 01-18-2006, 07:22 AM

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because they nailed his ass to a cross and left him there for a few days

Little game of "speary in the sidey"

funky_unkle · 01-18-2006, 09:52 AM

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The idea being that jesus was put to death because he was the "son of god", basically an innocent man, how many innocent people do you think were put to death at that time in history because of their beliefs, is it possible jesus was the only one, I think not?. This is the main idea of the crucifixation Jesus=martyr.

The idea is more like he was the only REALLY innocent, and that he chose to take the punishment for others.

The OP question is a good one, and I'm sure you could take it to seminary and have them debate it to death. But you can see it from different angles. Consider the concept of justice, for example. If God was to be 100% just, everybody would get what they actually deserve (that's the reason I rarely cry out about unjustice myself). You could say God found a way of combining his justice and his love - taking the blame himself. In that sense, it would be more correct to say that man's sin was transferred, not forgiven.

In any case, I'd like some of that personally. I'd rather not have God give me what I deserve.

Waves · 01-18-2006, 10:08 AM

god doesnt give anything to anybody. its all you.

self determination is the way of the future!

**SageTree** · 01-18-2006, 10:23 AM

Are there any other religions or beliefs that has an instrament of execution as its most recognizable symbol? I was thinking about that the other day and I couldn't recall any. It would be like wearing a noose around your neck and being a follower of John Brown's ideas. Or maybe something like that. The cross with the little jesus hanging on it helps alittle, but seriously think if you were from a place were they still crucified people and you were told by some people that you should come to this building and hear some one speak to you about religion, and you come in and there is a big cross, w/ a Jesus or not, in the front of the building, I would think it might be alittle freaky and scare that person. It would be like a paegan trying to convert someone, they take them into a temple and in the front there is a big pile of sticks a can of gas and a stake w/ rope.....I'd be thinking its getting crazy.

That is all It was just a thought I had, not founded on a particular opinion. I just got to thinking about the cross all by itself as a symbol. I'm not a christian, but I don't mean anything by my remarks, just wacky thoughts I have while tending my garden.

iamislegrown · 01-18-2006, 11:23 AM

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Are there any other religions or beliefs that has an instrament of execution as its most recognizable symbol? I was thinking about that the other day and I couldn't recall any. It would be like wearing a noose around your neck and being a follower of John Brown's ideas. Or maybe something like that. The cross with the little jesus hanging on it helps alittle, but seriously think if you were from a place were they still crucified people and you were told by some people that you should come to this building and hear some one speak to you about religion, and you come in and there is a big cross, w/ a Jesus or not, in the front of the building, I would think it might be alittle freaky and scare that person. It would be like a paegan trying to convert someone, they take them into a temple and in the front there is a big pile of sticks a can of gas and a stake w/ rope.....I'd be thinking its getting crazy.

That is all It was just a thought I had, not founded on a particular opinion. I just got to thinking about the cross all by itself as a symbol. I'm not a christian, but I don't mean anything by my remarks, just wacky thoughts I have while tending my garden.

Yeah, I guess they thought that at that time this was the most horrific torture there was, they could have added the fire for just a little more effect though. They could have put a candle at the base at the feet and could have used it as a form of light, like through his death we have been enlightened.

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