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so Jesus died for our sins?

why would Jesus have his own son die so that God could forgive people for sinning?

it makes absolutely ZERO fucking sense.

why not just forgive people for their sins. God made us, he made us not even close to perfect. so why wouldn't he just accept that and forgive us because of this? Sending Jesus to die for us makes no sense at all.

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Flowerchild

Well why did he die then?

deadhead94

because they nailed his ass to a cross and left him there for a few days

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Flowerchild

well that is the most logical answer I guess, but thats not what I was looking for.

-Illfaded-

it just doesnt make sense that God would have his own son killed just so that he (God)could forgive the humans that he created (inperfectly) for their sins.

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under the old government man exploited man,
but since the revolution it's the other way around.

real eyes realize real lies.

new greed, i'm the bad seed.. smokin' weed till my mutha fuckin eyez bleed..

AnimalLover420

Even if it's hard to believe the whole dying for our sins thing, he was a good guy. And he in fact did die trying to be a good person. I think Christians are far too pushy with their approach with witnessing and all, constantly putting people on the spot about intimate information such as their religioius affiliation. But whether you think he died so we can be forgiven or not, you have to admit he taught a positive message. What the people did with that message was less than positive, but the original teachings were much more pure than the muddy translations the modern Christians use.

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deadhead94

he has a sick sense of humour




case in point

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Flowerchild

My bible says God did this ultimate sacrifice to save the world from our sins. Even Jesus asked his Father why he would forsake him so it didnt make sense to him either, at least in the beginning. But it did happen and his blood washed away our sins, at least thats what I learned in church.

Jesus suffered terribly at the hands of his attackers, he did this for us.

-Illfaded-

but whats the point of God sending his own son down to die so the God could forgive us? why not just forgive us and not have his son die?

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under the old government man exploited man,
but since the revolution it's the other way around.

real eyes realize real lies.

new greed, i'm the bad seed.. smokin' weed till my mutha fuckin eyez bleed..

deadhead94

you know how he gets once he has a few beers in him

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Flowerchild

I dont know, I think it just turned out that way.

deadhead94

maybe he didn't like the idea of a religion based on him so he tried to put a stop to it and it backfired?

or, maybe jesus owed him money and wouldn't pay up

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Flowerchild

I know I shouldnt laugh but that was kinda funny deadhead........now stop it lol.

PhishDude

how's the platapus justify a sick sense of humour?
if anything it just shows how even the craziest animals can evolve and survive and it gives me a sense of hope.

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snapshot

I heard one person explain it one time. It's like he offered himself up as the first person to die in this new pursuit of human, which I think he knew had to happen because there's no way to show the ugliness of humanity than to have humanity kill someone who was not only innocent, but killed because he was taking power away from the jewish leaders. Jesus was gaining followers and wasn't even going to be killed, but the Rabbis insisted on it, or whatever they were if they were Rabbis.

I saw this on the Catholic Channel. Seems reasonable.

surf*and*smoke

but phish, just look at it...someone was on something wile designing that animal



i think it has something to do with our sins dieing with him...

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AnimalLover420

Well this is how it works out. The very first followers of the Hebrew God were required to make specific sacrifices of blood, grain, incense, etc. to atone for their sins. The animals they chose had to be pure to show that the people had obedience to God and resentment for their wrongs.. Profits as early as 300 B.C. began talking of a messiah and made striking predictions about the death of Christ. Jesus was born free of sin and lived his entire life free of sin and therefore served as the ultimate sacrifice for humankind if we can humble ourselves enough to admit it. That is a very basic version of what I believe to be true, take it or leave it...

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