Spice

Mercury · 06-18-2010, 10:48 PM

Have you ever heard of SPICE? I was told you could put it on weed for an xxxtra high!!! But i ain't never seen it.

Grieves · 06-18-2010, 10:54 PM

use keif, hash, hash oil, more weed, but whatever you do never use SPICE™...

**~~Dantastic~~** · 06-19-2010, 02:33 AM

Ive herd mixed reviews from people who tried it as a substitute.

If you look up reviews, its very mixed, some people like it, some dont.

such is the way with "highs"

Mercury · 07-10-2010, 10:10 PM

No seriously what is this shit? I've heard more and more people mentioning it. Is it a taste thing or does it actually have psychoactive effects?

Rubix · 07-10-2010, 10:55 PM

I'ts JWH-XXX (usually -018) mixed with a certain ratio of solvent like acetone, soaked with non mood altering, so called carrier herbs, and dried as pot-puree or incense. It's the best retail, bricks and mortar distribution system for JWH; as i have never seen powder at a head shop. The ingredients will list the herbs, which btw, taste nasty, but will never list the chemical as an ingredient as it is not marketed for human consumption anyway.

i smoked a few grams of the pure stuff back last summer. not touching it again tho, its just gross and hard on the lungs im sure.

Tricto · 07-11-2010, 08:57 AM

^
Isn't acetone what's in nail polish remover

Yes, to answer myself...and that's not even the worst of it.

KaptNemo · 07-11-2010, 09:16 AM

osirus2020 · 07-11-2010, 10:07 AM

Yeah mang it controls the universe.

Mercury · 07-11-2010, 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rubix

I'ts JWH-XXX (usually -018) mixed with a certain ratio of solvent like acetone, soaked with non mood altering, so called carrier herbs, and dried as pot-puree or incense. It's the best retail, bricks and mortar distribution system for JWH; as i have never seen powder at a head shop. The ingredients will list the herbs, which btw, taste nasty, but will never list the chemical as an ingredient as it is not marketed for human consumption anyway.

i smoked a few grams of the pure stuff back last summer. not touching it again tho, its just gross and hard on the lungs im sure.

that all went way over my head broskie

fenderbender · 07-11-2010, 12:25 PM

^ then you should just try it out.

fenderbender · 07-11-2010, 12:27 PM

how does that go over your head???

at the end he says how he smoked a more pure form of it and how he'l never do it again.

he even says the words, ITS GROSS, HARD ON THE LUNGS, NASTY,

mercury.... nigga u dumb

Mercury · 07-11-2010, 12:28 PM

What the fuck is it though? Just like some herbal powder that you pour on a bowl of weed to add flavor? I need laymens terms here cause I'm no chemist.

Grieves · 07-11-2010, 02:02 PM

it is not legit, stay away...

Waves · 07-11-2010, 03:11 PM

depends on what you get whether its legit or not.

if it has jwh-xxx in there like rubix said it WILL fuck you up, it even acts on the same receptor sites as weed so the high is supposed to be super similar

never tried it myself but here:

Erowid Experience Vaults: JWH-018 Main Index

i mean its legal now so no harm in trying it out before it gets scheduled...

catastrophe · 07-11-2010, 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rubix

I'ts JWH-XXX (usually -018) mixed with a certain ratio of solvent like acetone, soaked with non mood altering, so called carrier herbs, and dried as pot-puree or incense. It's the best retail, bricks and mortar distribution system for JWH; as i have never seen powder at a head shop. The ingredients will list the herbs, which btw, taste nasty, but will never list the chemical as an ingredient as it is not marketed for human consumption anyway.

i smoked a few grams of the pure stuff back last summer. not touching it again tho, its just gross and hard on the lungs im sure.

Someone in my town 'overdosed' from this stuff, the news article referred to it as "synthetic marijuana". Apparently the kid was taken to the hospital after being found unconscious, and given an potassium IV and forced to drink liquid potassium, because it dangerously lowers your potassium levels.
I'm not really sure the credibility of all this information, but you don't have any real need to smoke this stuff. So don't, Mercury.

Rubix · 07-11-2010, 09:27 PM

There's quite the tEKs threads at drugs-forum about critiqing the process; people are using blotter sheets and dropping 5mg drops of chemical per hit.

I did hear about the kids being taken to the hospital.

Of course they didn't even mention wut it is exactly, thus also sparking an increase in business to the shops.

Qui-Bong Jinn · 07-12-2010, 11:33 AM

I usually just top my pot with more pot, fuck this spice shit probably gives you cancer.

Rubix · 07-13-2010, 01:42 AM

since its no cheaper than pot, in many cases, more expensive, it mostly caters to people on parole or probation

edit: spice is the original brand and I have not seen it in the states. K2 is what is purveyed in MN which sells for $40/3 grams, while the 99.9% chemical is $35/g on the internet. The powder is typically sold as "bonsai plant food" which started out as a joke from a Chinese based chemical website.

Selling the powder at a store would raise many more suspicions and would not as easily be looked over for something for which it is not; ie incense or plant food.

wellfleation · 07-13-2010, 07:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Waves

depends on what you get whether its legit or not.

if it has jwh-xxx in there like rubix said it WILL fuck you up, it even acts on the same receptor sites as weed so the high is supposed to be super similar

never tried it myself but here:

Erowid Experience Vaults: JWH-018 Main Index

i mean its legal now so no harm in trying it out before it gets scheduled...

That shits scares me. You are a human experiment - good luck with that.

Rubix · 07-13-2010, 09:00 PM

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With all the news surrounding the still-legal cannabis-replacing psychoactive substance which is romantically named JWH-018, there are a lot of people who may be inclined to think they are missing out on something?

For those out the loop, JWH-018 is the laboratory-synthesized substance which has been designed 'from the ground up', just to get people high. At least that was the explanation JW Huffman gave it. He's the fella who invented this stuff as well as the man who put the JWH in JWH-018.

Inside the larger ziplock bag was another, smaller ziplock, and this contained a scary looking white crystaline substance which had about it the feintest yellow tinge.

Health & Safety?
Perhaps most important of all is the fact there were no safety sheets provided to buyers who purchase JWH-018. And right away we can see a problem with the UK and its current stance on drugs, or anything which could be construed as an analogue of a drug.

The fact is tens of thousands of people will buy this substance right up until it is physically banned. But as vendors prefer to market it as a plant feed it is sold without any safety data regarding doseage etc. Meaning there is a very real risk of consuming too much. And with a substance on which we have no history the risks associated with using JWH-018 are clear.

Before trying out the substance I wanted to do a bit of research just so I was happy in my own mind I was not about to kill myself, so I visited the font of all drug knowledge and a website which every one with an interest in recreational drugs should familiarize themselves with; Erowid !

Erowid
A website which by its own admission, is exploring the complex relationship between humans and psychoactives.

On carrying out a search for the term JWH-018 I was presented with a number of articles written by individuals who had tried the JWH-018 for the first time. So I did some reading, and without the a doubt the biggest concern amongst the many voiced, related to doseage, or the amount used, and for me this is the biggest issue with all the legal high's which are for sale currently.

No one knows how much to take so every time a person uses legal high's they put themselves in the laps of the gods. And the same can be said with all the other legal high's such as khat, (available on every high street in the UK), salvia divinorum, magic mushrooms as well as the plethora of pills potions and lotions which have come to market over the last 5 years or so.

If you want to reduce harm from drugs, surely its better to tell people how to use them safely rather than let them die and say "we TOLD you so"?

JWH-018 The Substance
The substance itself came as a pure white powder looking for all the world like cocaine. In good natural light it has something of a yellow tint to it, but its very hard to see and for all intents this stuff is pure white.

In the bag itself the powder comes in two distinct forms. First of all the powder (obviously) is the majority, but mixed in the powder are also some small rocks; obviously a by-product of the manufacturing process. Think of a crack-cocaine rock but much smaller and you won't be far off base.

These rocks are small as mentioned, but don't let their diminutive stature take you by surprise. If one of these rocks finds its way into your joint you ARE in for a white knuckle ride, but more on that later.

For the sake of my first time using this stuff I decided to go easy. SUPER easy in fact, and if you think of a regular hand-sized pen-knife, this is what I used to get the substance out of the bag. I place the tip of the pen-knife into the white powder and removed the knife from the bag with just the tip covered in white powder.

The next problem is, how to spread such a small amount of JHW-018 across a single-skin king sized joint. In the end I was distributing literally, tiny white specks throughout the tobacco and with a seasoned display of origami I was ready to light up.

The first puff always gets wasted as its only paper, but on inhaling the second toke the effect was almost instant, with the elevator effect of good home-grown weed kicking in pretty soon after. I took another toke in quick succession and then put the joint down to weigh things up a while. Although I'm used to smoking good grass, this was a totally new experience. My body was totally clean of the substance I was ingesting so a quick uptake was only to be expected.

After about 15 minutes I feel like I have consumed four fingers of good malt whisky. My cheeks are warmed up nicely and I have the beginnings of what the canna-sseur may call something similar to a 'sativa' buzz. Its all in the head and around the shoulders. with absolutely no effect at all in the body and legs.

All of which seems like a great trip for the recreational or creative user, but for those who use cannabis as a medicine I'm not feeling any of the benefits in my lower limbs. So I fire the joint up again and consume some more, all the while sitting in front of my laptop writing the days news up for CannaZine Cannabis News.

As is often the case I lose myself in time and an hour later I break away from my writing to reach for the joint again, only to find out it is long gone. The ashtray cooled down some while ago.

I take stock of the situation and suddenly realise I'm hammered. But the stone is definitely what I would call 'creative'.

After losing myself in my writing I carried on smoking. As is often the case I have multiple tabs open and I flit from one to another researching material, and time flies. But today it was going by even faster, and my concentration was absolute. I worked late into the night and finally got to sleep on the sofa around 4 or 5am, having consumed three joints in total.

At 7am the youngest member of the household (8 years of age) comes and switch's on the TV and sits on my legs with his blanket and teddy. A sure signal its time to get up and make his breakfast so he can get ready for school.

I make myself a strong black coffee and take stock. Apart from feeling groggy through lack of sleep my head is clear, I have zero tightness around the chest (a sure sign of a good night), and I can recount my 6 times table without effort. Looking good.

With the kids gone to school and my partner out shopping I settle down to some more writing. But by 11am I'm starting to wane a little. I need to get some sleep so I decide to roll a joint of JHW-018 and see if it can help switch my brain off.

So I go through my routine, including the trick with the pointy knife blade, load one together and get back to work.

Only this time there was a subtle difference, as I had not been so careful about filtering the rocks out of the mix, and even as I'm putting the finishing touches to my joint I can see the pure white specks, about the size of half a grain of short-grain rice, sitting just beneath the surface of the paper.

I light the blue touchpaper and get back into my work. Smoking this as if I had been smoking it for years, and as is often the case my blase attitude came back to kick my butt.

The taste is far more intense this time. Its not like plastic as I've read elsewhere, but its not far off. Although I can taste it quite strongly my partner lets me know there is no smell in the room after its been smoked.

..3..2..1
The onset this time was very pronounced. All I can deduce is the first rock must have been consumed in my first toke, and I pigged the lot and held on to it.

In the distance I could hear a feint whistle as the runaway freight train I was about to board was leaving its station at the top of the mountain.

The sensations this time were all over. Like smoking the tops off a good full bodied, mature skunk plant. But on top of the limb-stone there was also this strong 'wave' rising up from the base of my spine in a physical pulse, until it cascaded over the top of my skull culminating in an intense head-rush. Just as soon as it was over, it began all over again, at the base of my spine.

By now the buzz is a physical, all over feeling. Its roaring so loud I can almost hear it, and the first sign of anxiety flares in the pit of my stomach. I get a bit fidgity, and decide to go and busy myself elsewhere in the house but as I leave one room and enter another I know the storm is only just beginning as it starts to press down on the top of my head so my spine bends automaticaly under the weight and for the first time I think I might chuck. And still it comes on with an unbelievably fast rush.

I've now lost the use of my arms and legs, in much the same vein as a boxer does when he is 'blown'. My limbs are jelly and I struggle to carry my coffee. I head upstairs, deciding its time for a lay down.

20-30 uncomfortable minutes later and the stone is now full on, and as such easier to ride. Its not the altitude which is the problem. Its the speed in which you get there, and the elevator has slowed to a crawl as we approach cruising altitude and the seat-belt lights go out.

So I busy myself with some yoga arm excercises to pass the time. I'm happy of the opportunity to think of something else for a while but then a thought dawns on me which brings me back to my senses, and reassures me everything is OK.

Adhesive Capsulitis
I was recently diagnosed with Adhesive Capsulitis, more commonly known as a frozen shoulder. In short adhesive capsulitis is when adhesions (gristly strips) grow in the shoulder socket and tighten, causing restriction in movement, stiffness and pain. Lots of pain. And as a result of this pain there are a number of movements I simply cannot carry out. Or rather I probably could but don't as its super-painful.

So I decided to try to 'yoga' my adhesions in the hope that I would break them, (or break myself in the process), and whilst I could still feel the pain to a degree, it was almost as if I was sensing the pain from the other end of a long corridor. It wasn't at the forefront of my mind and I was able to move my limbs seemingly freely.

So I took advantage and gave my shoulder a real workout of stretching and flexing. A legacy I'm still living with today as its sore and aching.

Did it do any good? Only time will tell but one thing I know for a fact is this. My shoulder socket was restricted for movement on both the inside and the outside of the shoulder joint, (closest to and furthest from, my armpit/chest junction). But the restrictions on the inside of the socket are gone. This side of the joint is no longer immoveable.

Now, the only movement I can't manage is to lift my left arm up away from the body in a wide arc.

If '6 o clock' was my legs, and 12 o clock was my head, I can only get to about 9 or 10 o clock before the pain is unbearable, from the tricep down to just below my elbow. Not only that but it takes a good minute or two to subside. During which time I feel sick to my stomach.

'Killer' Pain Relief Felt Like Novocaine
So it would appear the much touted analgesic qualities ofJHW-018 are plain to behold.

2 hours after my white-knuckle ride started and it was coming to an end. I was flaked out on my bed, listening to some music and massaging my achy shoulder.

The come down wasn't particularly jittery, or certainly not as jittery as the getting up. I was chatting to my partner, laughing at myself for making a pig of myself, and admonishing myself for being careless in the amount I consumed.

How much to use depends entirely on the person who's using it. There are some I know who will enjoy the full-on effect of hitting a rock, whilst others still will spin themselves into a psychotic lather, repeating anti-drug campaign messages over and again in their minds until they pass out from terror. So 'softly softly' is the moral of this story.

JWH-018 - A Summary
Make no bones about it. This will be off the market just as soon as the politicians can make it happen. And with the benefit of my own experiences I have to say its probably no bad thing. And right here is where I have a real conflict of interests.

On the one hand I believe absolutely in the rights for a person to grow cannabis. I was watching the Discovery Channel recently and a British journalist (Donal Macyntire) was living in the rain-forest with a tribe, who regularly use all sorts of plants and roots to treat their clans, and for everything from period pains to snake bites.

Although they smoked a great deal, if they used cannabis it was well hidden from the camera crews, but during a staged pig hunt, which the tribe had put on for the benefits of the film crew, Donal Macyntire, who was sharing an elevated 'spearing position' with a tribal elder, was chewing a psycho-active root, and getting well giggly they were too.

So plants, and roots have been providing medicine, and dare I say recreation, for as long as time has been documented.

Cannabis
The reason cannabis is outlawed, is because of how useful it is to humanity. In terms of food, fibre, medicine, building materials etc, you name it in fact. And it can be grown using the cannabis plant. But at an immeasurable cost in terms of lost revenues, to big industries like pharmaceuticals, oil, and alcohol.

As a result, all of these new synthetic CB receptor agonists are finding their way to market. Bringing with them a whole new bunch of risks, and all of which are directly attributable to the drug war.

So while I do believe if a person wants to consume cannabis in the privacy of their own home they should be allowed to, I also believe substances like JHW-018 need to be controlled in some way.

As things stand currently it won't be long before people start cutting this substance like they do with cocaine and heroin. And thats a situation which is going to expose cannabis smokers to the same risks people who buy 'cheap' heroin are exposed to.

In my opinion it would be safer to allow people to use the cannabis. As the alternatives could be a lot more dangerous than the drug they've been created to replace.

And there in a nutshell, we have the real danger's created by the irrational war on drugs.

As for JWH-018? Do some homework on your source, and handle with care regarding how much you use, as getting it wrong can prove a tad...uncomfortable. Take it from me.

By Red Dragon @ Cannabis Forums

--http://pr.cannazine.co.uk/200909261209/green/eco-news/artificial-cannabis-jwh-018-the-taste-test.html

06-18-2010, 10:48 PM	#1 (permalink)
Mercury Special Delivery Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: The States Posts: 8,150 Thanks: 294 Thanked 801 Times in 539 Posts	Spice Have you ever heard of SPICE? I was told you could put it on weed for an xxxtra high!!! But i ain't never seen it.

06-18-2010, 10:54 PM	#2 (permalink)
Grieves The Worst Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Interstate 8 Posts: 12,077 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 2,552 Thanked 3,109 Times in 1,708 Posts	use keif, hash, hash oil, more weed, but whatever you do never use SPICE™... __________________ "And no matter what they said dollar is not your friend and it's the feelings that are hard to know are the feelings that all come slow No matter what they said dollar is not your friend and these feelings that so hard to know are the feelings that wont let go No don't let go, till you find a home World Unite and I'll love you forever"

07-11-2010, 08:57 AM	#6 (permalink)
Tricto updating Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Midwest Posts: 435 Thanks: 184 Thanked 79 Times in 59 Posts	^ Isn't acetone what's in nail polish remover Yes, to answer myself...and that's not even the worst of it. __________________ Human rights went on vacation Money took over a long time ago... Cuando la historia no se puede escribir con la pluma, se escribe con el fusil

07-11-2010, 02:02 PM	#13 (permalink)
Grieves The Worst Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Interstate 8 Posts: 12,077 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 2,552 Thanked 3,109 Times in 1,708 Posts	it is not legit, stay away... __________________ "And no matter what they said dollar is not your friend and it's the feelings that are hard to know are the feelings that all come slow No matter what they said dollar is not your friend and these feelings that so hard to know are the feelings that wont let go No don't let go, till you find a home World Unite and I'll love you forever"

07-11-2010, 03:11 PM	#14 (permalink)
Waves Duderino Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: chiburbs Posts: 15,405 Thanks: 991 Thanked 4,036 Times in 2,224 Posts	depends on what you get whether its legit or not. if it has jwh-xxx in there like rubix said it WILL fuck you up, it even acts on the same receptor sites as weed so the high is supposed to be super similar never tried it myself but here: Erowid Experience Vaults: JWH-018 Main Index i mean its legal now so no harm in trying it out before it gets scheduled... __________________ On this life that we call home The years go fast and the days go so slow

06-19-2010, 02:33 AM	#3 (permalink)
~~Dantastic~~ Banned Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: A suburb Posts: 1,081 Thanks: 285 Thanked 325 Times in 219 Posts	Ive herd mixed reviews from people who tried it as a substitute. If you look up reviews, its very mixed, some people like it, some dont. such is the way with "highs"

07-10-2010, 10:10 PM	#4 (permalink)
Mercury Special Delivery Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: The States Posts: 8,150 Thanks: 294 Thanked 801 Times in 539 Posts	No seriously what is this shit? I've heard more and more people mentioning it. Is it a taste thing or does it actually have psychoactive effects?

07-11-2010, 12:28 PM	#12 (permalink)
Mercury Special Delivery Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: The States Posts: 8,150 Thanks: 294 Thanked 801 Times in 539 Posts	What the fuck is it though? Just like some herbal powder that you pour on a bowl of weed to add flavor? I need laymens terms here cause I'm no chemist.

07-12-2010, 11:33 AM	#17 (permalink)
Qui-Bong Jinn Jedi High Council Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Kingston, Ontario Posts: 2,121 Thanks: 905 Thanked 496 Times in 368 Posts	I usually just top my pot with more pot, fuck this spice shit probably gives you cancer.

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