Kilana

Just wondering if that legal crap's any good?

I don't mean that Salvia garbage. I had that once and almost coughed up a lung. I'm talking about that AK-47 Dutch Magic Bud stuff...

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Sugar420

no, its no good. dont waste your money

Xil

Hmmmm.... depends on what your definition of good is. Would I prefer marijuana to synthetic cannabinoids? Yes. Do I enjoy synthetic cannabinoids when I can't be smoking pot? Also yes.

Those legal mixes contain a variety of jwh-x or am-x compounds, which are synthetic chemicals that work on similar receptors as THC. There are many different compounds that can be mixed with herbs (if you want help or tips just ask, its really easy and i've make my own blends multiple times), and each compound has its own subtleties just like indica or sativa.

am-2201 is useful because it is probably (by far) the most potent, but i find it a little to edgey and empty-headed.
jwh-122 is probably my favorite (that i've tried, there are many i have not) because it was more mellow and clear headed, and also less resembles (and is therefore less likely to cause a false positive for) the jwh's that are now illegal and possibly tested for in the US.


Never heard of this magic bud stuff, i'm just assuming its the same in nature as the k2 or spice we get in the us.

Oh and i highly recommend shopping online. 1 gram of the pure powder costs as much online as the diluted herbal blend costs in a local headshop (if you know where to look, once again i can assist with links if you feel the need to go this route).




maybe not as black and white clear as veda's answer, but spoken from more experience than most have with 'fake pot' (although i find i get much more enjoyment if i look at it as just another drug rather than a marijuana substitute)

edit: forgot, some blends use cp substances as well as jwh or am compounds. I've never tried any, however. It is my (possibly wrong) understanding that compounds with different prefixes (am vs jwh vs possibly cp) aren't necesarily as different as compounds within the same group. the nomenclature seems to be an issue of the original discoverer/patent holder. here's a chart of what certain blends contain...a little dated and published by a company that is spearheading the testing for such drugs, but interesting nonetheless.

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Xil

Also, in terms of things other than herbal smoking blends there is a wide world of (quasi)legal stimulants, hallucinogens, and dissociative. Some are extremely fun but possibly dangerous (cough, mephedrone, cough...this will make you geek hard). Others seem fairly safe (such as 2-ce, a phenethylamine [like mescaline?] that is a pretty enjoyable and manageable trip)


if you want to stick with herbal things rather than chemicals (which means you should avoid most 'incense' sold at head shops) there are other options.
Kratom is very safe, and can have some quite pleasant sedating/energizing (i know its weird to put those two together) effects. Its sometimes used to help with opiate withdrawals, itself being quite benign and non-addictive. I enjoyed kratom.
You mentioned salvia, although myself i never enjoyed it.
Fly agaric i've also never tried (careful with this one), though it is legal in many non-US countries.
Many psychedelic cacti can be ordered online.
Different types of lotus.
many many more.


Nothing is going to quite mimic pot though. The closest i've come is taking a decent dose of kratom with a couple beers while puffing on some jwh-122 infused damiana.

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Captain Cannabis

yup. human brains are weird and should be poked with all kinds of molecule shapes if the conditions are right.

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Xil

Honestly drugs are the only way i have ever been interested in chemistry. I despised the class in high school yet i'm still perfectly willing to pour through pages on bluelight on the differences between a fluoropentyl group being located on an odd or even molecule, and whether that affects if it will be metabolized into a harful fluoroacetate. my comprehension is minimal but i can't stop reading...

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John F. Kerry

funny cuz i just read that the dea banned the most common 5 substances used to make this crap.


so now its crap, and its also no longer legal either.


good- smoke weed its better for you

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Captain Cannabis

banning common precursors is not equivalent to making it impossible to manufacture. you can just make it from something else in another way. there are an unlimited number of ways to synthesize anything.

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Xil

They banned a few of the jwh's and cp compounds, i believe. The notable ones that were common are jwh-018, 073 and 250. This is just off the top of my head so it could be slightly different.
Other jwh's (such as 122) still remain technically legal, although illegal if sold for human consumption under the federal analogue act. a lot of headshops still wont carry the newer legal blends though since most people/shops dont know the difference.
Also kilana is in canada so none of this applies.



And CC, these banned chemicals aren't precursors, they are actual ingredients. not that banning precursors does much good, cathinone is illegal yet its still ridiculously easy to get mephedrone, for instance.

edit-
oddly enough i just opened my email and had a newsletter from a chemical supply company (one i haven't used in a while due to finding better prices/discreteness)

in the letter it said they no longer carried the DAE banned substances:
JWH-018, JWH-073, JWH-200, CP-47,497, and the CP-47,497 C8 homologue

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