Atlas Shrugging on April 15th Tax Day - Take a look.

Galt · 02-23-2011, 09:06 AM

Not wanting to start a debate on the relative merits of Objectivism, or lack of depending on your perspective, but for anyone who has read and enjoyed Ms. Rand's works, her magnum opus is finally going to make it to the big screen.

'Atlas Shrugged' remains one of my five all time favorites that I continue to lend and recommend. If you have not yet read it and you feel that our government controllers have grown way too big for their britches, reading this 54 year old story will make you think that the author was another Nostradamus. If you have read it and would like to see how the story is being interpreted, the trailer and clip links should whet your appetite.

For anyone new to Ayn Rand, all I can say is to read three of her four works of fiction in the order that they were written and you will not only enjoy an opportunity to witness the growth of her as a writer, but also experience three very engaging stories. Some have been attributed as life changing by many.

The first that I recommend would be 'We The Living', which is said to be somewhat autobiographical and is extremely eye opening from a historical perspective. It is also one of her shortest and quickest reads. Second would be 'The Fountainhead' which was also made into a movie with Gary Cooper and Patricia Neal back in the 30's. Very film noir, but the protagonist character Roark's court room speech, delivered by Cooper near the story's end is a classic, and should inspire every non-conformist tremendously. This second book is over a thousand pages, but worth every bit. It's also a good run up to Atlas since the latter is over 1,100 pages (don't try the small type paperback - it'll blind you).

If you're a big fan of the Nanny State and collectivism, or any of the other "isms", these books will be a great disappointment and you'll probably burn them as the work of Satan. But if you have ever wondered at the guilt manipulations of our rulers and religious kooks who are constantly telling us that we should sacrifice, while they live a debauched life of excess, these books are for you. If you believe that you should be rewarded for working harder or being more creative than the knucklehead sitting next to you, these books are for you. And lastly, if you have any appreciation for real history and have seen the destruction that the domination of once free peoples has caused, this story will inspire you...hopefully to get up off of your ass and do something about it. Atlas could be considered a capitalist's guide to anarchy, or a slave's guide to freedom. Either way it's a great story that never ceases to initiate some very interesting conversations. Check it out!

Then you'll also know the answer to the question...

"Who IS John Galt?"

Trailer | Atlas Shrugged Movie

Movie clip: Henry Rearden comes home | Atlas Shrugged Movie

farmergiles · 02-23-2011, 09:43 AM

Lol I was wondering if that was why you chose the name Galt.

I do rate We The Living as a very good read.

**SageTree** · 02-23-2011, 09:51 AM

Thanks Brother.

Galt · 02-23-2011, 11:43 AM

as much as it chose me...metaphysically speaking.

Over the years I've developed a kind of response library to people that I meet that just don't seem to get what's going on in the world around them. 'We the Living' is usually the first thing that I offer to lend them if they still believe that socialism would work, if we'd just keep giving it another chance. I usually reserve 'Atlas Shrugged' for the hard core Fabians, not that they usually bother to read more than the jacket.

My new fave is for all of the nitwits and nincompoops who insist that bailing out G.M. was a good thing. I give them a DVD of 'Who Killed the Electric Car?' to remind them that just before G.M. went insolvent, they had pulled a viable 100% plug-in electric off of the market in response to their friends in the oil biz - and the profits of their dealer parts and service network. Not so funny now that we are again entering that cycle where we all get fucked with leap frogging gas prices, that we'll later find out were indicative of nothing more than inordinate corporate greed. The fact that it's all sanctioned by the pieces of talking shit that rule us makes it all the more inciting.

Another piece that I love to trick people into watching is 'Fiat Empire'. That or 'America: Freedom to Fascism' are great at wakin' folks up to the evil pricks that control the FED, the IRS and ultimately us.

Unfortunately, with the passing of time and the increased influence of our state run inculcation industry (I believe they call it public education), the constantly accelerating, dumbing down of the proletariat has led me more and more to rely on the visual media to engage people in any kind of real thought. It seems that the majority are just not capable of sitting down and actually reading a book any longer. Too much effort I suppose.

Consider the symptoms; texting syntax accepted as a substitute for real language, passing grades for just showing up or trying (no matter how miserable the failure), everyone acting like they have to go to college - while acknowledging that they will only do it if someone else is paying for it, remote control every fucking thing and soon enough...cars that will do the driving for you. I was all for George Jetson's flying car shit, and very much like Lewis Black considered that a great thing to be looking forward to...but it was for the freedom that it represented, not a further developed sense of dependency on yet another bit of technology.

Not trying to sound like a Luddite, quite obviously...I'm on the friggin' internet, but to witness the level of know nothing, do nothing, help me bullshit that permeates the world today is distressing to say the least. Whatever happened to the idea of being independent and self sufficient? The very essence of being free?

Rand's premise regarding laissez fare capitalism still appeals to me, so long as we the people retain control of the markets and the ability to drag cheating pricks like Exxon and the Health Insurers into the street and slay them. It's all about the risk-reward paradigm, and right now the scoundrels are balls deep in us 'cuz they control both sides of the game. We are being anally raped every day by the very moochers and looters that Rand warned of over a half century ago. Not until we take back the power and drop a few heads on the cobblestones will the oozing pustules in charge understand that there is a risk to their abuses of power, and they are absolutely fatal. What's it been up til now? No matter how egregious their betrayal of the public trust and wealth, all that they have to do is step up to the podium and wipe a tear as they whine that "I'm only human". A week later a bigger prick gets caught with his member in some minion and we forget all about last week's scurvy.

It's all rotten...and I'm hoping that the 'sit on your ass and soak it in' crowd gets thinking, if and when they catch the flick. Of course that's also assuming that the status quo even allows this to be seen. I would imagine that getting any kind of serious distribution of the release will be a herculean task all unto itself.

Sorry for the rambling diatribe.

You ought'a catch me on a topic that I'm actually passionate about.

Parallax · 02-23-2011, 02:08 PM

looking forward to pirating this movie sometime in the summer, currently im about a quarter of the way through the book.

farmergiles · 02-23-2011, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Galt

Not until we take back the power and drop a few heads on the cobblestones will the oozing pustules in charge understand that there is a risk to their abuses of power, and they are absolutely fatal.

Doesn't sound entirely dissimilar to 1917

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~1~ · 02-23-2011, 03:37 PM

Eat the rich...

Galt · 02-23-2011, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Parallax

looking forward to pirating this movie sometime in the summer, currently im about a quarter of the way through the book.

Say it ain't so. You sure you've read that much of the book? The movie's an Indie...to make money. This ain't Sony Pictures you're talking' about rippin' off.

Geezuz! Next thing ya know you'll be smokin' weed and cheatin' on yer taxes.

Galt · 02-23-2011, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by ~1~

Eat the rich...

What's wrong with bein' rich?

It's the rulers and shit bags that got that way fuckin' us that I want some "head" from.

Galt · 02-23-2011, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by farmergiles

Doesn't sound entirely dissimilar to 1917

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Actually the part of history that I'd like to help make a comeback was the French Terror. I'm seriously working to organize the carpenters that are never going back to work after the housing debacle (we still have enough inventory to last another decade), and get them started building "National Razors" that we can take to every hamlet and ville. Each one will be erected in front of a City Hall or legislative meeting house and we'll start draggin' the miserable little fucks out to get the Marie treatment...face up off course so they get to watch it comin'.

Mark my words...after the first few dozen cocnuts start bouncin' down the stairs the rest of those evil fucknuts'll get the picture and start headin' out'a Dodge. Maybe then we can start attractin' more Mr. Smith's to Washington instead of different colors of the same runny shit.

I dunno...some find me a bit extreme in my methods, but I persist...the idea has merit and I've no doubts as to its potential efficacy.

Kerensky's got nuthin' on me...

farmergiles · 02-23-2011, 04:04 PM

Sometimes I feel tempted by heads on stakes.

Galt · 02-23-2011, 04:58 PM

it's like you've been readin' my mind. I have this vision of all of the bridges crossing the Potomac being lined with pikes holding the heads of all of our elected scrotum sacks. Maybe a gibbet or two at each roundabout with crows pecking the still writing remains of some maggot infested Federal employee. Timmy "jail rape bait" Geithner comes immediately to mind.

Like the Milkman said..."I have a dream..."

Sugar420 · 02-23-2011, 05:05 PM

heres something interesting i stumbled upon recently:

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Far-right ideologue, Ayn Rand wrote of moral absolutism: “There can be no compromise on basic principles. There can be no compromise on moral issues. There can be no compromise on matters of knowledge, of truth, of rational conviction.” Yup, but wouldn’t you know it, Rand, who spent her life deploring the New Deal, Social Security, the Great Society and every other form of government aid to the poor and elderly ended up taking *GASP* government “handouts” herself in the form of Social Security and almost certainly Medicare, too.

From Ayn Rand and the VIP-DIPers:

The Right should be commended politically for their ability to develop and stick to a unified message. But close inspection of this unified message reveals a disappointing secret identified by a student of the Godfather of Neo-conservatism,—- the University of Chicago’s Leo Strauss. The student, Anne Norton (Leo Strauss and the Politics of American Empire) identified what she called “VIP-DIP” meaning Venerated in Public, Disdained in Private. “Do as I say, not as I do.” The list of vip-dipers on the Right runs from Harold Bloom to Newt Gingrich, but certainly not Ayn Rand. Right?

Say it ain’t so Alisa Zinovievna Rosenbaum.

A heavy smoker who refused to believe that smoking causes cancer brings to mind those today who are equally certain there is no such thing as global warming. Unfortunately, Miss Rand was a fatal victim of lung cancer.

However, it was revealed in the recent 100 Voices: An Oral History of Ayn Rand by Scott McConnell (founder of the media department at the Ayn Rand Institute) that in the end Ayn was a vip-dipper as well. An interview with Evva Pryror, a social worker and consultant to Miss Rand’s law firm of Ernst, Cane, Gitlin and Winick verified that on Miss Rand’s behalf she secured Rand’s Social Security and Medicare payments which Ayn received under the name of Ann O’Connor (husband Frank O’Connor).
...
Does this make Rand no better than the “looters” and “moochers” of the welfare state she decried for her entire career? Not necessarily, but it would make her a hypocrite.

source- Dangerous Minds | Ayn Rand was a hypocrite!

farmergiles · 02-23-2011, 05:16 PM

It's not so much that that I hold against her but more her insistence that I have to like Rachmaninov.

Galt · 02-23-2011, 05:25 PM

Check out this guy's web page. He's got an excerpt from an interview that Zappa did years ago that's pretty cool.

Frank Zappa the Libertarian Ken Christianson

Here's another, with a creepy prophetic statement or two that sound like Rand could have scripted them.

Objectivish: Frank Zappa: "I'm Happy to Be an American..."

farmergiles · 02-23-2011, 05:31 PM

Also that's a 100% ad hominem argument v3d4.

To be sure there are many criticisms that can be levelled at the conduct of Rand as much imo there can be against Lenin or Trotsky.

They were all libertarians if viewed in their best light.

Galt · 02-23-2011, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by farmergiles

Also that's a 100% ad hominem argument v3d4.

To be sure there are many criticisms that can be levelled at the conduct of Rand as much imo there can be against Lenin or Trotsky.

They were all libertarians if viewed in their best light.

Rand was certainly damaged goods in her own right, and while I enjoy the books I am by no stretch a 'Randian'. She did have her own rather significant cult of sorts as well. But I have to part company where the comparisons to Lenin et al are concerned, and particularly the sweeping gesture of including them as some sort of Libertarians.

I get that there were many hypocritical ironies in Rand's own life when juxtaposed to her writings and philosophy, as was the case with your examples, but beyond that I really think anything having to do with liberty is a bit of a stretch where Mr. Lenin's head pops up. He was after all the initiator of Russian Marxism, hardly a 1st cousin to the likes of Ron Paul. Ms. Rand was just a story teller with a good fan base.

Sugar420 · 02-23-2011, 06:06 PM

well galt said he didnt want us to debate objectivism, so i was only offering that link as an interesting tangent and counterpoint to the rant about being "anally raped every day by the very moochers and looters..." but i am not trying to lead anyone to any conclusions

farmergiles · 02-23-2011, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Galt

I really think anything having to do with liberty is a bit of a stretch where Mr. Lenin's head pops up.

You'll note I said 'in their best light'.

Was snuffed with a pillow by uncle Joe so they say; if you use gangsters...

Galt · 02-23-2011, 07:16 PM

Sorry V, my bad. I completely missed your previous post. I've been kinda peekin' back here between trying to finish two projects that require me to "create" and "produce" with my hands, and the computer ain't part of that equation. This only bein' February I now have about another 7 months of toil left before I start workin' fer myself and finish payin' my share of the ransom to the BushBama's.

As for the Rand's behavior...I've no problem with anyone who paid into the system taking back. I just start to loose my mind when I see the system create a world where it has destroyed all incentive to do anything but wait for a check. What the fuck happens when those that haven't taken the rest of life off to sit home and watch Okra, decide to say fuck it...I want a check too? I think it was Maggie what's her ass, Ronnie Raygun's secret sex slave that once said, "the only problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money". Well my friend...we're there and have been for quite a while, but my latest President is still doin' the same stupid shit as the last asshole, full steam ahead.

Another point on Ms. Rand's frailties, she was also attributed with having quite a taste for Benzedrine and supposedly wrote 'The Fountainhead' while binging on it. So be it... I still love the book. Hell most of the psychologists in our world study the hundred year old blather of a coke head, we had a Chief Justice of the Supreme Court who was addicted to pain killers and Bill didn't inhale.
Ever read the Old Testament? You know back in the day they used lead to sweeten their wine. Talk about a brain on drugs.
It's all bullshit when ya get right down to it. Look at it this way...we live in a world where the majority believes in make believe saviors and willingly subject themselves to the manipulations of a carrot and stick existence 'cuz there might be somethin' better around the bend. How easy is it to cheat, fast talk or dupe a crowd like that. It could certainly be argued that Rand learned that lesson from the very group that she fled and despised, but at least she also wrote of it in a way that helped lots of other people clarify what it was that they saw that was wrong.

While I didn't think that anyone would take my sphincter sex reference as being literal, it was the first extemporaneous vision that came to me when attempting to impart my visceral dislike of all things gubmint.

As for the philosophy of Rand, I said what I meant about Objectivism, mainly 'cuz I don't really care for any philosophy, religion or political dogma beyond "Leave Me the Fuck Alone!"

I do agree with the ethos expressed by the fictional characters that she created, but we part where the logos and pathos of her preachy ideals meet the road. Aside from that, I myself, like most reasonable humans that I've come to know, are generally way too complex a critter to simply allow ourselves to be so easily pigeonholed or labeled. That's what gets me pissed when I hear people branding conservatives, Libertarians, Objectivists, lovers of Limbaugh, etc as though they were all one in the same. Personally I am a big fan of the Constitution and I hate about 98% of my government. I can't stand collectivists, gradualists, liberals, Democrats or progressives. But I also can't stand Republicans, the crazy Christ crowd, anyone who thinks that they are special or chosen, everybody in the media except John Stossell, war mongering fucks, fear mongering pricks, Neocons and just about every President back to Andrew Jackson.

What can I say...I have a few things to work out...

Man it's hard to stay on point when ya gotta keep stoppin' and startin' in the middle of a discourse like this. Sorry for the wanderings.

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Galt Si fecisti nega! Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: In the Great State of Denial Posts: 567 Blog Entries: 2 Thanks: 309 Thanked 318 Times in 209 Posts	Atlas Shrugging on April 15th Tax Day - Take a look. Not wanting to start a debate on the relative merits of Objectivism, or lack of depending on your perspective, but for anyone who has read and enjoyed Ms. Rand's works, her magnum opus is finally going to make it to the big screen. 'Atlas Shrugged' remains one of my five all time favorites that I continue to lend and recommend. If you have not yet read it and you feel that our government controllers have grown way too big for their britches, reading this 54 year old story will make you think that the author was another Nostradamus. If you have read it and would like to see how the story is being interpreted, the trailer and clip links should whet your appetite. For anyone new to Ayn Rand, all I can say is to read three of her four works of fiction in the order that they were written and you will not only enjoy an opportunity to witness the growth of her as a writer, but also experience three very engaging stories. Some have been attributed as life changing by many. The first that I recommend would be 'We The Living', which is said to be somewhat autobiographical and is extremely eye opening from a historical perspective. It is also one of her shortest and quickest reads. Second would be 'The Fountainhead' which was also made into a movie with Gary Cooper and Patricia Neal back in the 30's. Very film noir, but the protagonist character Roark's court room speech, delivered by Cooper near the story's end is a classic, and should inspire every non-conformist tremendously. This second book is over a thousand pages, but worth every bit. It's also a good run up to Atlas since the latter is over 1,100 pages (don't try the small type paperback - it'll blind you). If you're a big fan of the Nanny State and collectivism, or any of the other "isms", these books will be a great disappointment and you'll probably burn them as the work of Satan. But if you have ever wondered at the guilt manipulations of our rulers and religious kooks who are constantly telling us that we should sacrifice, while they live a debauched life of excess, these books are for you. If you believe that you should be rewarded for working harder or being more creative than the knucklehead sitting next to you, these books are for you. And lastly, if you have any appreciation for real history and have seen the destruction that the domination of once free peoples has caused, this story will inspire you...hopefully to get up off of your ass and do something about it. Atlas could be considered a capitalist's guide to anarchy, or a slave's guide to freedom. Either way it's a great story that never ceases to initiate some very interesting conversations. Check it out! Then you'll also know the answer to the question... "Who IS John Galt?" Trailer \| Atlas Shrugged Movie Movie clip: Henry Rearden comes home \| Atlas Shrugged Movie __________________ "I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use." - Galileo Galilei (1564-1642) _________________ "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." - Martin Luther King Jr. (1929-1968)

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Galt Si fecisti nega! Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: In the Great State of Denial Posts: 567 Blog Entries: 2 Thanks: 309 Thanked 318 Times in 209 Posts	I don't know that I actually chose the name... as much as it chose me...metaphysically speaking. Over the years I've developed a kind of response library to people that I meet that just don't seem to get what's going on in the world around them. 'We the Living' is usually the first thing that I offer to lend them if they still believe that socialism would work, if we'd just keep giving it another chance. I usually reserve 'Atlas Shrugged' for the hard core Fabians, not that they usually bother to read more than the jacket. My new fave is for all of the nitwits and nincompoops who insist that bailing out G.M. was a good thing. I give them a DVD of 'Who Killed the Electric Car?' to remind them that just before G.M. went insolvent, they had pulled a viable 100% plug-in electric off of the market in response to their friends in the oil biz - and the profits of their dealer parts and service network. Not so funny now that we are again entering that cycle where we all get fucked with leap frogging gas prices, that we'll later find out were indicative of nothing more than inordinate corporate greed. The fact that it's all sanctioned by the pieces of talking shit that rule us makes it all the more inciting. Another piece that I love to trick people into watching is 'Fiat Empire'. That or 'America: Freedom to Fascism' are great at wakin' folks up to the evil pricks that control the FED, the IRS and ultimately us. Unfortunately, with the passing of time and the increased influence of our state run inculcation industry (I believe they call it public education), the constantly accelerating, dumbing down of the proletariat has led me more and more to rely on the visual media to engage people in any kind of real thought. It seems that the majority are just not capable of sitting down and actually reading a book any longer. Too much effort I suppose. Consider the symptoms; texting syntax accepted as a substitute for real language, passing grades for just showing up or trying (no matter how miserable the failure), everyone acting like they have to go to college - while acknowledging that they will only do it if someone else is paying for it, remote control every fucking thing and soon enough...cars that will do the driving for you. I was all for George Jetson's flying car shit, and very much like Lewis Black considered that a great thing to be looking forward to...but it was for the freedom that it represented, not a further developed sense of dependency on yet another bit of technology. Not trying to sound like a Luddite, quite obviously...I'm on the friggin' internet, but to witness the level of know nothing, do nothing, help me bullshit that permeates the world today is distressing to say the least. Whatever happened to the idea of being independent and self sufficient? The very essence of being free? Rand's premise regarding laissez fare capitalism still appeals to me, so long as we the people retain control of the markets and the ability to drag cheating pricks like Exxon and the Health Insurers into the street and slay them. It's all about the risk-reward paradigm, and right now the scoundrels are balls deep in us 'cuz they control both sides of the game. We are being anally raped every day by the very moochers and looters that Rand warned of over a half century ago. Not until we take back the power and drop a few heads on the cobblestones will the oozing pustules in charge understand that there is a risk to their abuses of power, and they are absolutely fatal. What's it been up til now? No matter how egregious their betrayal of the public trust and wealth, all that they have to do is step up to the podium and wipe a tear as they whine that "I'm only human". A week later a bigger prick gets caught with his member in some minion and we forget all about last week's scurvy. It's all rotten...and I'm hoping that the 'sit on your ass and soak it in' crowd gets thinking, if and when they catch the flick. Of course that's also assuming that the status quo even allows this to be seen. I would imagine that getting any kind of serious distribution of the release will be a herculean task all unto itself. Sorry for the rambling diatribe. You ought'a catch me on a topic that I'm actually passionate about. __________________ "I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use." - Galileo Galilei (1564-1642) _________________ "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." - Martin Luther King Jr. (1929-1968)

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Galt Si fecisti nega! Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: In the Great State of Denial Posts: 567 Blog Entries: 2 Thanks: 309 Thanked 318 Times in 209 Posts	My bruva from anuva muva... it's like you've been readin' my mind. I have this vision of all of the bridges crossing the Potomac being lined with pikes holding the heads of all of our elected scrotum sacks. Maybe a gibbet or two at each roundabout with crows pecking the still writing remains of some maggot infested Federal employee. Timmy "jail rape bait" Geithner comes immediately to mind. Like the Milkman said..."I have a dream..." __________________ "I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use." - Galileo Galilei (1564-1642) _________________ "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." - Martin Luther King Jr. (1929-1968)

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farmergiles Yahookan Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Sick of the hatred and the lies Posts: 7,807 Thanks: 2,285 Thanked 3,750 Times in 2,554 Posts	It's not so much that that I hold against her but more her insistence that I have to like Rachmaninov. __________________ Cultivate a stoic calmness *Fuck the Monkeys* Every Kind of Vice

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Galt Si fecisti nega! Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: In the Great State of Denial Posts: 567 Blog Entries: 2 Thanks: 309 Thanked 318 Times in 209 Posts	Check out this guy's web page. He's got an excerpt from an interview that Zappa did years ago that's pretty cool. Frank Zappa the Libertarian Ken Christianson Here's another, with a creepy prophetic statement or two that sound like Rand could have scripted them. Objectivish: Frank Zappa: "I'm Happy to Be an American..." __________________ "I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use." - Galileo Galilei (1564-1642) _________________ "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." - Martin Luther King Jr. (1929-1968)

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farmergiles Yahookan Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Sick of the hatred and the lies Posts: 7,807 Thanks: 2,285 Thanked 3,750 Times in 2,554 Posts	Also that's a 100% ad hominem argument v3d4. To be sure there are many criticisms that can be levelled at the conduct of Rand as much imo there can be against Lenin or Trotsky. They were all libertarians if viewed in their best light. __________________ Cultivate a stoic calmness *Fuck the Monkeys* Every Kind of Vice

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Sugar420 Freedom Bird Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 6,138 Thanks: 41 Thanked 183 Times in 733 Posts	well galt said he didnt want us to debate objectivism, so i was only offering that link as an interesting tangent and counterpoint to the rant about being "anally raped every day by the very moochers and looters..." but i am not trying to lead anyone to any conclusions

02-23-2011, 07:16 PM	#20 (permalink)
Galt Si fecisti nega! Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: In the Great State of Denial Posts: 567 Blog Entries: 2 Thanks: 309 Thanked 318 Times in 209 Posts	Sorry V, my bad. I completely missed your previous post. I've been kinda peekin' back here between trying to finish two projects that require me to "create" and "produce" with my hands, and the computer ain't part of that equation. This only bein' February I now have about another 7 months of toil left before I start workin' fer myself and finish payin' my share of the ransom to the BushBama's. As for the Rand's behavior...I've no problem with anyone who paid into the system taking back. I just start to loose my mind when I see the system create a world where it has destroyed all incentive to do anything but wait for a check. What the fuck happens when those that haven't taken the rest of life off to sit home and watch Okra, decide to say fuck it...I want a check too? I think it was Maggie what's her ass, Ronnie Raygun's secret sex slave that once said, "the only problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money". Well my friend...we're there and have been for quite a while, but my latest President is still doin' the same stupid shit as the last asshole, full steam ahead. Another point on Ms. Rand's frailties, she was also attributed with having quite a taste for Benzedrine and supposedly wrote 'The Fountainhead' while binging on it. So be it... I still love the book. Hell most of the psychologists in our world study the hundred year old blather of a coke head, we had a Chief Justice of the Supreme Court who was addicted to pain killers and Bill didn't inhale. Ever read the Old Testament? You know back in the day they used lead to sweeten their wine. Talk about a brain on drugs. It's all bullshit when ya get right down to it. Look at it this way...we live in a world where the majority believes in make believe saviors and willingly subject themselves to the manipulations of a carrot and stick existence 'cuz there might be somethin' better around the bend. How easy is it to cheat, fast talk or dupe a crowd like that. It could certainly be argued that Rand learned that lesson from the very group that she fled and despised, but at least she also wrote of it in a way that helped lots of other people clarify what it was that they saw that was wrong. While I didn't think that anyone would take my sphincter sex reference as being literal, it was the first extemporaneous vision that came to me when attempting to impart my visceral dislike of all things gubmint. As for the philosophy of Rand, I said what I meant about Objectivism, mainly 'cuz I don't really care for any philosophy, religion or political dogma beyond "Leave Me the Fuck Alone!" I do agree with the ethos expressed by the fictional characters that she created, but we part where the logos and pathos of her preachy ideals meet the road. Aside from that, I myself, like most reasonable humans that I've come to know, are generally way too complex a critter to simply allow ourselves to be so easily pigeonholed or labeled. That's what gets me pissed when I hear people branding conservatives, Libertarians, Objectivists, lovers of Limbaugh, etc as though they were all one in the same. Personally I am a big fan of the Constitution and I hate about 98% of my government. I can't stand collectivists, gradualists, liberals, Democrats or progressives. But I also can't stand Republicans, the crazy Christ crowd, anyone who thinks that they are special or chosen, everybody in the media except John Stossell, war mongering fucks, fear mongering pricks, Neocons and just about every President back to Andrew Jackson. What can I say...I have a few things to work out... Man it's hard to stay on point when ya gotta keep stoppin' and startin' in the middle of a discourse like this. Sorry for the wanderings. __________________ "I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use." - Galileo Galilei (1564-1642) _________________ "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." - Martin Luther King Jr. (1929-1968)

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