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Old 01-23-2012, 12:19 AM   #41 (permalink)
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Old 01-23-2012, 12:23 AM   #42 (permalink)
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I thought seasons 1-3 were legitimately well crafted, suspenseful and just fucking entertaining to watch; despite all the cliches.

Then, somewhere around the 4th season, it just got less fucking entertaining. Only kept watching to find out what happened. And for the writers to give some answers that made sense. None to be had. Bull shit.


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he was evil as shit. he killed tons of people throughout the course of the show. the entire dichotemy between him and jacob was that he was the evil one and jacob was the good one.

Uh yeah they did. Like when sawyer and juliet were reunited. The show doesnt go into details on their relationship but you can assume by their emotions that they had been together a long time.

They dont go into what happens after the island, you have to kind of use your imagination, but they do imply that indeed the people involved did have lives and relationships and experiences afterwords.
The smoke was not evil. Jacob only did what the bitch mother said.. and that bitch was much more evil than the "Man in black". He went crazy after she killed all of his people and his mother and refused to let him leave the island. He was no more evil than the mother, whitmore, Linus (best character). That's why the smoke became less and less cool and more and more dumb each season after 2. But people say the smoke is evil. Ok. The island needs protection yo! Lets keep the most evil thing on earth there. that's safe. Let's keep the dude who's biological mother you face bashed, who's friends you burned alive, and who's head you wall bashed on the island. He's not going to try anything, right?

If anything the island and the fucking well of light caused more evil than good. Oh it brought them all together? How heartwarming, at least 200+ confirmed deaths to bring them all together. I wouldn't mind a dark ending.. but it's a cheesy sappy ending..

And waves, sawyer already knew juliet. they were fucking for 3 years while living in a 1970's dharma camp. Thats the only reason they went with the whole afterlife bullshit story, so they could reunite the dead characters (Sucks that Adebisi refused to stay on the show). But now I'm about to blow your mind. You said that jack's son was jack himself and not a real person, I already got that hint

but jack had the son with juliette in purgatory. the very same julliette that met sawyer and kissed him at the hospital moments after seeing her son. Then she wound up at the church, back in love with sawyer. Oh did all of her memories of her son that I assumed she loves just get erased? With kate, claire, aaron, sun pregnant bull shit story, the show constantly reaffirmed how "important being a parent is". So now juliette just gets that stripped away. nice.


Let's go to present day actually LIVING Kate and Sawyer. jack's dead. juliet's dead. Kate and sawyer get off the island together. Are you telling me the two of them didn't fuck like 4815162342 times in various expensive hotels after returning to the US?. So they lived their lives together. Then die. And in the afterlife they forget all that and switch it up. k.


Nearly vomited blood when I saw fucking driveshaft on stage.. thank god they queued up the score instead of subjecting the audience to another god damn rendition of "you all everybody". I hate that fucking band. Should have used the island's completely plausible and unretarded time traveling abilities to put driveshaft on the Skynard plane that crashed instead.

The lost ending is as bad as that scene where hurley and dj qualls were in a music store and they both agree that, "this song is good". god damnit it hurley, I thought you'd have decent taste in music. And people in a music store listening to cds? That's less believable than the rest of losts fuckin hi jinx.
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I thought seasons 1-3 were legitimately well crafted, suspenseful and just fucking entertaining to watch; despite all the cliches.

Then, somewhere around the 4th season, it just got less fucking entertaining. Only kept watching to find out what happened. And for the writers to give some answers that made sense. None to be had. Bull shit.




The smoke was not evil. Jacob only did what the bitch mother said.. and that bitch was much more evil than the "Man in black". He went crazy after she killed all of his people and his mother and refused to let him leave the island. He was no more evil than the mother, whitmore, Linus (best character). That's why the smoke became less and less cool and more and more dumb each season after 2. But people say the smoke is evil. Ok. The island needs protection yo! Lets keep the most evil thing on earth there. that's safe. Let's keep the dude who's biological mother you face bashed, who's friends you burned alive, and who's head you wall bashed on the island. He's not going to try anything, right?
You are aware jacob was the protector/guardian of the island and not the smoke monster right?

The smoke monster was simply trapped on the island. jacob was the protector.

When someone said in the early seasons that the smoke was some kind of security system they were way wrong.

jacob was protector/guardian, and his brother was kind of just another lost soul trapped on the island except he could take solid form and smoke form.

Also, Its more ambiguous than just "good and evil."

I shouldnt have even used that word because you have to cast aside traditional notions of morality and ethics and take the characters influences into account.

The man in black wasnt traditionally evil, no, but he WAS an antagonist and his character influences were indeed rooted in traditionally "bad" motives.

He was the one who had the pessimistic view of humans, remember the scene with him and jacob on the beach? for millenia he and jacob had been on the island bringing people to it to "test" their morality.

Now that in itself, the game they set up, its ironic they were setting it up to test peoples morality because it could be argued that forcing people to crash land on an island to test them for their morality and abilities is pretty fucking evil in itself.

So the show is purposefully quite ambiguous in all of its morality.
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If anything the island and the fucking well of light caused more evil than good. Oh it brought them all together? How heartwarming, at least 200+ confirmed deaths to bring them all together. I wouldn't mind a dark ending.. but it's a cheesy sappy ending..
Well the island WAS a cork holding in pure evil. And Richard said that from time to time the evil escapes and its up to the islands guardian to reign it back in. So it makes sense that the light well could be responsible for both good and bad happening.
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And waves, sawyer already knew juliet. they were fucking for 3 years while living in a 1970's dharma camp. Thats the only reason they went with the whole afterlife bullshit story, so they could reunite the dead characters (Sucks that Adebisi refused to stay on the show). But now I'm about to blow your mind. You said that jack's son was jack himself and not a real person, I already got that hint

but jack had the son with juliette in purgatory. the very same julliette that met sawyer and kissed him at the hospital moments after seeing her son. Then she wound up at the church, back in love with sawyer. Oh did all of her memories of her son that I assumed she loves just get erased? With kate, claire, aaron, sun pregnant bull shit story, the show constantly reaffirmed how "important being a parent is". So now juliette just gets that stripped away. nice.
When inside of 'purgatory' all their memories are for all intents and purposes erased until they "remember" their connections. So it would make sense that without those connections they could make NEW connections. The point of having juliet and jack be together was to illustrate that even WITHOUT the island experience those people were still connected in the 'afterlife' and all they had to do was remember those connections to re-affirm them and get those relationships back together.

(i did totally forget about juliet dieing by the bomb though, so thats why i said the show implies they had a long relationship after the island events. obviously not juliet but sawyer had a long fruitful life, its implied.)

It does really suck about Mr Eko though. He was my favorite character by far.
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Let's go to present day actually LIVING Kate and Sawyer. jack's dead. juliet's dead. Kate and sawyer get off the island together. Are you telling me the two of them didn't fuck like 4815162342 times in various expensive hotels after returning to the US?. So they lived their lives together. Then die. And in the afterlife they forget all that and switch it up. k.
Thats what im saying, they dont go into what happened afterwords. Maybe they fucked a shitload but never really loved each other because they were just trying to cover up the holes left by the deaths of their true loves. we dont know. use your imagination man! these are all fake people in a fake show!
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Nearly vomited blood when I saw fucking driveshaft on stage.. thank god they queued up the score instead of subjecting the audience to another god damn rendition of "you all everybody". I hate that fucking band. Should have used the island's completely plausible and unretarded time traveling abilities to put driveshaft on the Skynard plane that crashed instead.
Completely agree and I'll add that I fucking HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAATED the character of Charley. What a little bitch he was. When he killed himself to save everyone i jumped for joy.
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You are aware jacob was the protector/guardian of the island and not the smoke monster right?

The smoke monster was simply trapped on the island. jacob was the protector.
yeah, I was saying , "Jacob just did what his bitch mother told him".. wasn't trying to justify what he did (can see how you thought I was saying "the smoke monster" just did what the mother told him) was more pointing out how weak minded jacob was and how he just blindly followed the instructions of the "mother".. who was an evil bitch.

On the other hand you have the man in black, jacob's brother... who is justifiably pissed off. He actually thinks for himself. My point being, he's not evil, he was just driven insane by being kept on the island. Of course the show wouldn't have been as "scary" without the smoke in the early seasons.. but that's my point about the writers fucking themselves and ruining the end. Too many inconsistencies and ignored questions.

And jacob was a shitty protector. While he was in charge of keeping the island safe, the dharma initiative was busy bringing 100s of people to the island and building towns and multiple intricate science facilities.

Then the people started killing each other. All in the name of the islands retarded electromagnetic powers. And this all happened on the island.. and the island is still there.

The island didn't need any fucking protection, and quite frankly the whole damn story is some convoluted bull shit.

However my disdain for these last seasons of lost led me to Deadwood.

After watching lost in its entirety, all I can say is Deadwood might just be the greatest fucking show ever made.
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