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Old 02-11-2012, 12:51 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Yea... that isn't crazy Galt.



This sentence caught my eye though.

Is there actual do-goodery out there which helps people find meaning and eases suffering, in your world view?
That's the closest I've ever seen you come to tossin' an insult bro'.

Of course there is, and you are most obviously a great example of that. It's not the acts of the individuals that I was challenging with that comment, but rather the dogma that unfortunately, and more often than not binds them. There are still obviously a host of individuals that feast like the vampire squid upon us, but I have not become such a cynic as to deny that there is still inherent good among us as well. I continue to rely on the likes of yourself to keep me aware that there is still reason to trust and hope. There are other kinder, gentler souls that I know and openly associate with believe it or not. And I suppose by no small miracle they are also practicing Buddhists.
Unfortunately, all of your cumulative good has not as yet tipped the Karmic scales in our favor, at least not to the point where I feel safe abandoning my cynical ways. There is still too much evil in the world, and the most vile of it is that which masquerades as those doers of good.

The politico who thumps his chest and sends young men and women off to fight senseless wars - where they end up losing life, or limb or their sanity. All for what, so that some fat rich fuck can become fatter and richer, and foster yet another generation of the same pestilence to beset us? The bloviating asses that preach sacrifice to those that already struggle, while shuffling about in their limousines and military jets, eating and drinking and getting tick fat off of the public dimes.

The religious charlatans and schemers who promise an ethereal wealth in a fabled land of make believe, while lining their pockets with the sweat of desperate souls who just want to feel something beside pain. The healers and hucksters that prey upon the desperate, sick and old, selling them whatever they want to hear, just to enable them yet another chance to empty their pockets of trust while enriching themselves and their friends.
Recognizing that there is evil in the world, people who's motives you likely can't even begin to perceive, does not lessen the extent of their existence my friend.
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...wannabe moralfags??? Where do you get this shit?
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There was an almost-insult in there
Let me know where, I'm thoroughly cornfused
And had no intention of coming off that way at all, my Friend.


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That's the closest I've ever seen you come to tossin' an insult bro'.

Of course there is, and you are most obviously a great example of that. It's not the acts of the individuals that I was challenging with that comment, but rather the dogma that unfortunately, and more often than not binds them. There are still obviously a host of individuals that feast like the vampire squid upon us, but I have not become such a cynic as to deny that there is still inherent good among us as well. I continue to rely on the likes of yourself to keep me aware that there is still reason to trust and hope. There are other kinder, gentler souls that I know and openly associate with believe it or not. And I suppose by no small miracle they are also practicing Buddhists.
Unfortunately, all of your cumulative good has not as yet tipped the Karmic scales in our favor, at least not to the point where I feel safe abandoning my cynical ways. There is still too much evil in the world, and the most vile of it is that which masquerades as those doers of good.

The politico who thumps his chest and sends young men and women off to fight senseless wars - where they end up losing life, or limb or their sanity. All for what, so that some fat rich fuck can become fatter and richer, and foster yet another generation of the same pestilence to beset us? The bloviating asses that preach sacrifice to those that already struggle, while shuffling about in their limousines and military jets, eating and drinking and getting tick fat off of the public dimes.

The religious charlatans and schemers who promise an ethereal wealth in a fabled land of make believe, while lining their pockets with the sweat of desperate souls who just want to feel something beside pain. The healers and hucksters that prey upon the desperate, sick and old, selling them whatever they want to hear, just to enable them yet another chance to empty their pockets of trust while enriching themselves and their friends.
Recognizing that there is evil in the world, people who's motives you likely can't even begin to perceive, does not lessen the extent of their existence my friend.
Thanks for your very kind words.....

Sorry, again, if something I said came off as mildly insulting....

I'll contemplate this post a bit and come back with more later on.

I didn't mean for my original post to come off too strongly either...

I know this is satire, but in my personal feelings anger also can beget anger, although I can see how this might be useful in alleviating some feelings of frustration as well.

Just not my style.
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This Budhist stuff is gonna give ya an ulcer bro'.
(sarcastic crack about potential irony)

The anvil was delicious, but irony.

I presumed your comment about "normalizing" the violence and brain tumor humor was meant as Socratic irony.
Your follow-up to my initial response, questioning whether I had any world view that included doers of good, doing just that, I also categorized as such, since I assume that even with your limited knowledge of me - you still know that I possess a heart.
Suggesting that you would knowingly afford an insult to anyone is the very definition of sarcasm.

I could not be offended by you walking up and pissing on my leg. I wouldn't particularly enjoy it, but I would assume that you had nothing but the best intentions.
- of course then I'd have to kill ya
(1st line - statement of fact, 2nd line - sarcasm)

Please don't waste precious moments of your life pondering shit that I type. I enjoy debating ideas and can hardly say good morning without being a smart ass about it, so save yourself some baking soda and ALWAYS presume that my tongue is planted firmly in cheek - unless I am simply making an obvious statement of fact.

Relax, have a home brew, smoke a joint... chill.
Don't sweat the little shit, there are much bigger turds afloat.

BTW, not to pick nits, but did it occur to you that your use of irony came dangerously close to the very sarcasm that was the basis for why I found the movie amusing in the first place? The image of a pubescent girl jumping up and down while clapping and happily shrilling "this is the best day ever!" in the midst of their killing spree... am I the only one that get's it?
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This Budhist stuff is gonna give ya an ulcer bro'.
(sarcastic crack about potential irony)
** This is going to be actual sarcasm... warning....***

I don't limit my ulcer forming habits to just Buddhism, just so you get a better idea and scope of myself

(Read: I don't think I'm giving myself ulcers)



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I presumed your comment about "normalizing" the violence and brain tumor humor was meant as Socratic irony.
No sarcasm there... I don't wish for people to be desensitize/normalized to this stuff. Shooting straight there man is all I was aiming at


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Your follow-up to my initial response, questioning whether I had any world view that included doers of good, doing just that, I also categorized as such, since I assume that even with your limited knowledge of me - you still know that I possess a heart.
I never doubted that you had one and didn't mean to imply that you were void of one in my simple asking for you to define what you meant and exploring your mind a little more

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Suggesting that you would knowingly afford an insult to anyone is the very definition of sarcasm.
Like I said... no sarcasm... but that doesn't mean it was an insult either dude.
Just saying what I mean.

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- of course then I'd have to kill ya
(1st line - statement of fact, 2nd line - sarcasm)
Urine-ice guy Galt

I only mean the best here... my sarcasm is always obvious and I don't let it hand in the air without a wink or some other smilie since I know the internet is harder to read and pick up stuff on.

So don't take it mean, but don't figure it sarcasm.
I'm either just saying 'I hope this stuff doesn't normalize people to violence more than they are' or 'hey man... what goodness do you believe in?' The only inference being that I'm leaving it a little open in the air because I know you DO, but were really focusing on the cynicism there , ya know what I mean? Just trying to get you to sprinkle some positive things in there too

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Right on, on the BS... I mean saving the Baking Soda

I DO know you... but not to the extent where I'll stop trying to probe deeper,
And I appreciate you saying how to hold your context a little better.

Come around more so I can used to it


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BTW, not to pick nits, but did it occur to you that your use of irony came dangerously close to the very sarcasm that was the basis for why I found the movie amusing in the first place? The image of a pubescent girl jumping up and down while clapping and happily shrilling "this is the best day ever!" in the midst of their killing spree... am I the only one that get's it?
Maybe I was ironic and didn't know it
Like I said... I 'get' the movie... I just don't like the way it presents it's point as not everyone is smart enough to see the goal of the movie.

I mean.. I know people who think 'Team America' was a PRO-USA movie and not a blatant swipe at idiocy.

Cheers Galt... gonna let my Wife get a little work done, and I'm going to go out and get a sack, a beer and take a way in the New Mexico sunshine.

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looks pretty gay and corny. is it ment to be a comedy ?
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In actuality it's a few writers letting their brains take a shit and turning it into a movie.
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Sage, I know that you know that I know that you know that it's all not cereal. Just be careful with that mind probin' shit. There are some rocks better left unturned.

While I admire your spirit, I find your hopeful positivity and optimism horribly naive. I respect your attempts to walk the walk, but as with most of my Buddhist friends, I resist the temptation to challenge your cheerful outlook too often with my cynical perspective on reality. I consider it something akin to kickin' a puppy. You are the ying to my yang mang.
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looks pretty gay and corny. is it ment to be a comedy ?
No, just gay. That's why I identify with it so closely. That's also why I want to fuck your ass while holding your still beating heart. Corn would just make it all very weird dude...
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this shit looks hilarious, thanks for the recommendation.
You're a twisted little man.

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While I admire your spirit, I find your hopeful positivity and optimism horribly naive. I respect your attempts to walk the walk, but as with most of my Buddhist friends, I resist the temptation to challenge your cheerful outlook too often with my cynical perspective on reality. I consider it something akin to kickin' a puppy. You are the ying to my yang mang.

Between the two of us we have a pretty balanced act , I agree



Could I ask you why I'm naive?

It's not like I've lived in a bubble my whole life and haven't had to challenge many assumptions/observations about that life along the way, as I was and as I am now.

In my 20s, I imagine I may have found myself agreeing with many of the assertions you make....

But something changed inside of me and grew.

So I don't really like the naive comment man.... it's starting to get into the dig area, as opposed to making a comment and explaining what you meant, which is why I am asking you now, cause I know you aren't making a dig at me.


What if I were to say as a cynical person who has found renewed hope in my life, that you're way were naive and didn't leave much room for the mystery of life to live in?




I keed....

But please.... tell me why I'm naive, in your view.

Naive=stupid/foolish as I've heard it used most and I hope that isn't what you are saying.
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Could I ask you why I'm naive?

It's not like I've lived in a bubble my whole life and haven't had to challenge many assumptions/observations about that life along the way, as I was and as I am now.

In my 20s, I imagine I may have found myself agreeing with many of the assertions you make....

But something changed inside of me and grew.

So I don't really like the naive comment man.... it's starting to get into the dig area, as opposed to making a comment and explaining what you meant, which is why I am asking you now, cause I know you aren't making a dig at me.


What if I were to say as a cynical person who has found renewed hope in my life, that you're way were naive and didn't leave much room for the mystery of life to live in?




I keed....

But please.... tell me why I'm naive, in your view.

Naive=stupid/foolish as I've heard it used most and I hope that isn't what you are saying.
No... not ever not never would I dig on ya brother (unless of course I was just bein' a sarcastic ass, as I usually am, and didn't mean a thing by it). Should've been more general with that reference and simply applied it to all hopeful and positive optimists. We differ only on which side of the equation we place the larger integer. We both realize that people have a good and bad quotient or potential, we both are hopeful for the best, but I feel that my experiences in witnessing the preponderance of bad materializing, is a more accurate perspective of our shared reality. It doesn't mean that I think I am right and you are wrong, just that we have experienced life differently. My reality's existence does not depend upon invalidating or diminishing yours to exist. It just is what it is, just as yours is, and they are different, but yet they co-exist. Shit is just never that absolute, especially where people are concerned.

We just differ... and that's a good thing, 'cuz when reality gets me down, it always makes me feel better to look over and see that there are still a few hopeful folks left. Maybe feeling that way makes me the naive one, eh?






What we need is for you and me to sit down up on a mountain top with a big ol' bag of shroomage one weekend, and unravel the true meaning of man's existence once and for all. I think you and I could tackle that one in just a coupl'a days... wha'dya think?
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