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Old 07-22-2012, 12:58 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Into The Wild

I really can't emphasize strongly enough how much this film has captured my heart. I dream every day about just selling everything and walking. I don't have aspirations toward Alaska, or any Jack Londonesque destination like that. I just have a wanderlust so deep that, after seeing "Into The Wild", I'm having a hard time keeping it down. I love my wife, and my daughter, her husband, and my little granddaughter, but I want that isolation and everyday newness in the worst way.

That said, here' some ITW porn I have to satisfy myself with, at the moment.



And my personal favorite off the ITW soundtrack:




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BTW, after reading the book, I learned that he and I graduated from college eight days apart. I can remember all the pointless shit that I was doing throughout that time period.



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Eh I'd rather do pointless stuff than go out into the Alaskan wilderness with no extra food, water or a map TBQH.
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This has become about my favorite movie, I also read the book. I have to watch it about once a month. Remember, happiness is only real when shared, Rev... It's so true.
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Hey Rev, You know I got love for this movie, but I won't go on about it at the moment.

For now, here is the complete soundtrack:






Have you considered doing a formal/informal retreat of any kind?

I truly believe that happiness is only real when it's shared,
And was such a poignant part of that movie,
It truly caused a shift in me.
But honouring that you need time and space is good too, I can't deny that.
I hope that you're able to find that place, even if it's just for a weekend.
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Into the Wild (the book, sorry) was real important to me when I was like 17-18 and shit was really fucked up.

I extrapolated a real sense of will power and self control, that most things are capable for most people but we let our fears and preconceptions hold us back. I often get the "drop everything and leave" feeling but I don't think that's the point. I think if you have some reservations about it you're probably not meant to wander like that. Do you wonder if, at the end of the day, Chris missed out on the feeling of going home?


The movie came out about that time in my life. I never caught it but I would like to see it some day.
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Into the Wild (the book, sorry) was real important to me when I was like 17-18 and shit was really fucked up.

I extrapolated a real sense of will power and self control, that most things are capable for most people but we let our fears and preconceptions hold us back. I often get the "drop everything and leave" feeling but I don't think that's the point. I think if you have some reservations about it you're probably not meant to wander like that. Do you wonder if, at the end of the day, Chris missed out on the feeling of going home?


The movie came out about that time in my life. I never caught it but I would like to see it some day.

Very nice write up man, thanks for that.

Not too often do I know folks who have just read the book, cool stuff.

I'd HIGHLY recommend seeing the movie.
Sean Penn did a really nice job with the direction.
Beauty of a movie. Truly.

It's more cushy and romanticizing to his plight/journey than the book,
which I think seemed down right angry with him at times.

Good for balance though I suppose to know both takes.

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i suppose i'll provide a counterpoint to this discussion:

no offense but the way the guy died was straight up idiotic. i cant romanticize what he did at all in my mind. i dont know how anyone can look at what he did and say it was in any way cool or novel or meaningful. he died a horrible slow death for stupid unnecessary reasons.

the only reason hes become such a big deal is because he stands for doing what every american wants to do which is leave their shitty day job and do something, anything for themselves and not for the time-clock for once. the only thing is, he did that and then went on to make some monumentally stupid decisions afterword. not the greatest poster boy for leaving it all behind and going all walden.

anyway, i prefer Kerouac for my free-spirited adventure novels. dont let me stop you from enjoying though, by all means. i just think hes an idiot.
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i suppose i'll provide a counterpoint to this discussion:

no offense but the way the guy died was straight up idiotic. i cant romanticize what he did at all in my mind. i dont know how anyone can look at what he did and say it was in any way cool or novel or meaningful. he died a horrible slow death for stupid unnecessary reasons.

the only reason hes become such a big deal is because he stands for doing what every american wants to do which is leave their shitty day job and do something, anything for themselves and not for the time-clock for once. the only thing is, he did that and then went on to make some monumentally stupid decisions afterword. not the greatest poster boy for leaving it all behind and going all walden.

anyway, i prefer Kerouac for my free-spirited adventure novels. dont let me stop you from enjoying though, by all means. i just think hes an idiot.
His realization at the end was profound and struck me hard and brought some brevity to my own thoughts on 'leaving', which like I said was starting to happen when I was younger.

That is what mattered to me the most.



The 'getting away' part, I think you hit the nail on the head.


And I hope it's okay to share a story about my own life without sounding like a braggart.

You were away when I did this Waves,
But my Wife, cat and myself lived out of our Jeep for 8 months, in the USA.
We couchsurf.org 'd , house sat from on line adverts and visited friends across the country.

When we were faced with living in a city we didn't like, (Toronto)
And due to permits, I couldn't work.
We made provisions to have some money and travel by the seat of our pants.
And we did. Shit got tight sometimes $ wise for sure.


I'll say this though for realities sake.

What we did was very cool no doubt...
but we didn't 'escape' shit really.

It's just a different 'shit' though.

I mean, it's the kind of shit I hope everyone gets to experience someday,
cause the scenery is a little better most days.

But shit... ya know?

You still have to eat, cover up your stink, wash you (in rest area sinks) and your clothes (all two sets of them), pray to God your car ($1300 93 Jeep w/ 220000 miles) keeps going forward, that you won't get chased out of your rest area in the middle of the night and stuff like that.


You don't escape, you just run into different ways to deal your similar 'have to-s'.
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I think it's important to remember the lesson he learned in the end, which is that he fucked up by disregarding all the people who cared about him.
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For some reason im getting hella emotional reading this thread and thinking about this movie


sad/something isnt right



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Sorry that your bummed Fender...

Consider that feeling sad/not right, might be the right emotion to be having at this moment.




Sounds like you've had a busy time lately.
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as we so often forget US in the hopes for the world.
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weird , this just popped up on my facebook feed. Figured id share cause relevant.


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And Kerouac was seriously into benzedrine, if my memory serves me.
Brilliant writer, REALLY weird person.
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You were away when I did this Waves,
But my Wife, cat and myself lived out of our Jeep for 8 months, in the USA.
We couchsurf.org 'd , house sat from on line adverts and visited friends across the country.

When we were faced with living in a city we didn't like, (Toronto)
And due to permits, I couldn't work.
We made provisions to have some money and travel by the seat of our pants.
And we did. Shit got tight sometimes $ wise for sure.


I'll say this though for realities sake.

What we did was very cool no doubt...
but we didn't 'escape' shit really.

It's just a different 'shit' though.

I mean, it's the kind of shit I hope everyone gets to experience someday,
cause the scenery is a little better most days.

But shit... ya know?

You still have to eat, cover up your stink, wash you (in rest area sinks) and your clothes (all two sets of them), pray to God your car ($1300 93 Jeep w/ 220000 miles) keeps going forward, that you won't get chased out of your rest area in the middle of the night and stuff like that.


You don't escape, you just run into different ways to deal your similar 'have to-s'.
1- very cool story!

2- good point about not escaping shit. i guess if anything its about wanting to be free of other peoples shit so you can deal with just your own shit? is that more along the lines of accuracy here?

like i have a much easier time dealing with my own shit than i do being stuck in the middle of a giant shit storm, right?
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1- very cool story!

2- i guess if anything its about wanting to be free of other peoples shit so you can deal with just your own shit? is that more along the lines of accuracy here?

like i have a much easier time dealing with my own shit than i do being stuck in the middle of a giant shit storm, right?
1. Thanks

2. You said it well. Also, maybe it's like,

So you have enough time to deal with ALL the shit at a different pace,
which is less like ''I have shit to do!'' and closer to ''Don't have shit else to do''.
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Have you considered doing a formal/informal retreat of any kind?
Yeah, in fact I have. I've been getting really into hiking since I got back from the Sequoias, and I'm trying to get in shape so that next year, I can take a month and hike the John Muir Trail, from Yosemite Valley to Mt. Whitney. It's about 220 miles of High Sierras trails. Got the idea in my head after reading Muir's "My First Summer in the Sierras".

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I want to hike it alone, too. Just solitude and the mountains.



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There's so many unspoken, untouched-upon undercurrents of the McCandless story, it's truly a very complex philosophical, personal and social commentary.

It touches on truth to both sides of the coin (the inner and the outer). There are flaws in adapting too much to either side. It's pretty normal to be knocked off by any extreme.

Yes the movie is flawed, yes the story is flawed. But I walked away from it realizing that what a human simply wants is harmony. Harmony in their natural state. Today's social bodies are too large to allow individuals to be authentically natural. While an overabundance of solitude can very easily misconstrue context, and be self-serving emotions that are in reality, false. Most humans need a balance to be healthy because it offers the appropriate amount of objective and subjective experiences. It offers the relativity to keep his motives in check.

The whole "Happiness is only real when shared" is a bit misleading though. Because while it touches on truth (being that we all seek evidence of our existence and motivation via love) Happiness can be and is individually felt. .It is not "only real" when shared..The words instead should be "Happiness is only verified when shared." Verified because it can thus be further understood
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