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Old 02-05-2014, 05:11 PM   #41 (permalink)
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"so its not that acting is difficult, its something that is easy to learn but difficult to master, there are so many subtleties to the art. and as with any art, if you dont know the difficulty involved with producing such difficult expression, you probably wont appreciate it too much."

Does not 'the difficulty involved with producing such difficult expression' relate directly to 'the technical aspects of the skill of acting?'


Your initial comments are a response to someone not appreciating the hard work that actors such as PSH did, and you close with a comment that people that don't understand the difficulty involved probably don't appreciate it.

And then you say in this most recent post: "you can appreciate art or not appreciate it without knowing the ins and outs of how that art was made"


So the only way for these propositions not to contradict each other is if you say that 'the difficulty involved with producing such difficult expression' is in no way related or equivalent to 'the ins and outs of how it was made.'


Are you telling me that the difficulty involved in acting (once more, something you must by hypothesizing as you have no actual experience in it yourself) is not related to how.. a movie is made?


Or am I showing you the foot in your mouth?
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Old 02-05-2014, 05:24 PM   #42 (permalink)
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Sir-Ex, ftw

man that wasn't even close.
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Old 02-05-2014, 06:57 PM   #43 (permalink)
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You may not have to have done something to critique it but you sure lack the credibility to be taken seriously when you haven't done it. A person who takes part in an activity knows far more about the nuances that make up the difficulty of said activity, that the layman doesn't/can't know which lends credibility to their analysis.

We(Society) have become far to lenient on taking the ignorant seriously when it comes to matters of critique and criticism. Critical opinions are not proper critique.
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Old 02-05-2014, 08:33 PM   #44 (permalink)
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Your second paragraph makes sense, but you are on your pulpit again. I don't mind public speaking at all, but have social anxiety that is crippling. Actors are born, not made. The trait I speak of is typical of great actors and entertainers.

I could act in a movie or show but would need to pick my own part and improvise. It would be a knockout performance
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Your second paragraph makes sense, but you are on your pulpit again. I don't mind public speaking at all, but have social anxiety that is crippling. Actors are born, not made. The trait I speak of is typical of great actors and entertainers.

I could act in a movie or show but would need to pick my own part and improvise. It would be a knockout performance
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"so its not that acting is difficult, its something that is easy to learn but difficult to master, there are so many subtleties to the art. and as with any art, if you dont know the difficulty involved with producing such difficult expression, you probably wont appreciate it too much."

Does not 'the difficulty involved with producing such difficult expression' relate directly to 'the technical aspects of the skill of acting?'


Your initial comments are a response to someone not appreciating the hard work that actors such as PSH did, and you close with a comment that people that don't understand the difficulty involved probably don't appreciate it.

And then you say in this most recent post: "you can appreciate art or not appreciate it without knowing the ins and outs of how that art was made"


So the only way for these propositions not to contradict each other is if you say that 'the difficulty involved with producing such difficult expression' is in no way related or equivalent to 'the ins and outs of how it was made.'


Are you telling me that the difficulty involved in acting (once more, something you must by hypothesizing as you have no actual experience in it yourself) is not related to how.. a movie is made?


Or am I showing you the foot in your mouth?
Since waves won't respond to you, I will. I have no clue as to how a movie is made and likely couldn't take the pressure.

But if I could go in on my terms and not have a director in my face, I'd nail any role that involved a mentally unbalanced character that has a freak out or 2. That's me IRL! I would want to display those emotions.

I think that's what makes good acting. You don't just lose yourself in the character, but you lose yourself in the emotions. If your character is happy, you are happy. You want everyone watching to know you are happy.

The art is in the emotions. I can tell a mile away if an actor is faking it. They don't want to show those emotions. They are 'acting'.
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"so its not that acting is difficult, its something that is easy to learn but difficult to master, there are so many subtleties to the art. and as with any art, if you dont know the difficulty involved with producing such difficult expression, you probably wont appreciate it too much."

Does not 'the difficulty involved with producing such difficult expression' relate directly to 'the technical aspects of the skill of acting?'


Your initial comments are a response to someone not appreciating the hard work that actors such as PSH did, and you close with a comment that people that don't understand the difficulty involved probably don't appreciate it.

And then you say in this most recent post: "you can appreciate art or not appreciate it without knowing the ins and outs of how that art was made"


So the only way for these propositions not to contradict each other is if you say that 'the difficulty involved with producing such difficult expression' is in no way related or equivalent to 'the ins and outs of how it was made.'


Are you telling me that the difficulty involved in acting (once more, something you must by hypothesizing as you have no actual experience in it yourself) is not related to how.. a movie is made?


Or am I showing you the foot in your mouth?
Im saying you can appreciate art and talk about art without knowing the technical aspects of how art is made. My point is not a complex one. I still dont see you having said anything to refute this point. Its very very simple. One does not need to have gone to juliard acting school to talk about an actor and what that actor meant to them personally.
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Old 02-05-2014, 09:19 PM   #49 (permalink)
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You may not have to have done something to critique it but you sure lack the credibility to be taken seriously when you haven't done it. A person who takes part in an activity knows far more about the nuances that make up the difficulty of said activity, that the layman doesn't/can't know which lends credibility to their analysis.

We(Society) have become far to lenient on taking the ignorant seriously when it comes to matters of critique and criticism. Critical opinions are not proper critique.
Did anyone here ever claim to want to be taken seriously about any of this?

When did this forum become full of stuck up fagholes who refused to engage in basic discussion of acting and art because they "wanted to be taken seriously?"

It doesnt fucking matter if anyone here knows what they are talking about. This is inconsequential forum gibberish. Why the fuck are you guys taking this thread so god damn seriously?
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Since waves won't respond to you, I will. I have no clue as to how a movie is made and likely couldn't take the pressure.

But if I could go in on my terms and not have a director in my face, I'd nail any role that involved a mentally unbalanced character that has a freak out or 2. That's me IRL! I would want to display those emotions.

I think that's what makes good acting. You don't just lose yourself in the character, but you lose yourself in the emotions. If your character is happy, you are happy. You want everyone watching to know you are happy.

The art is in the emotions. I can tell a mile away if an actor is faking it. They don't want to show those emotions. They are 'acting'.
This is exactly what I mean. Art is subjective. Its not an objective technical skill. What makes good art is subjective. You may find a particular actor to be great and someone else could hate them. Its not that those two people are right or wrong, its that they are "critiquing" the art they have experienced according to their unique experience of that art. There is no right or wrong.

If this was something a bit more technical, I would have no problem with what Sir-Ex said. If we were discussing theoretical physics and SOK came in and made the equivelent of the above post, i would have no problem with Sir-Ex calling him an idiot. But the fact that SOK can make a post like this being SOK proves my point exactly. Even the dumbest nitwit can reliably discuss art, because there are no right or wrongs. Its just what it means to you.

Then for some guy to come in and dismiss all that because "you guys dont know what you are talking about" to me is extremely rude and condescending and buzz killington. Fuck that, it doesnt matter. Even if everything SOK said in the above post is completely objectively wrong, it doesnt matter because thats SOKs truth and thats his appreciation of the art of acting.

So FUCK YOU Sir ex.

And in closing I remind you all that this discussion doesnt matter and i dont care about any of it and im only being argumentative because its fun to be an asshole and argue with other assholes on the internet. I may or may not even hold these opinions ive said. But they were fun to say so fuck you all.
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Did anyone here ever claim to want to be taken seriously about any of this?

When did this forum become full of stuck up fagholes who refused to engage in basic discussion of acting and art because they "wanted to be taken seriously?"

It doesnt fucking matter if anyone here knows what they are talking about. This is inconsequential forum gibberish. Why the fuck are you guys taking this thread so god damn seriously?
Says the guy who triple posted 3 page long rants.
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Synecdoche, New York is probably the best movie for PSH fans because he literally drives the whole film and it's made by Charlie Kaufman, so you guys should watch it!
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