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Old 04-02-2009, 01:42 AM   #41 (permalink)
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Old 04-02-2009, 07:22 AM   #42 (permalink)
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As some of you already know, I am old. I have a real question, so please go easy on me.....

What is the big deal these days with records? I can understand that if you are doing the rap thing you need to have the ability to do the scratch sound thing, but we gave up records for cassettes. Then we gave those up for CDs. Why? Because they were better.

Better because they were smaller, easier to maintain and lasted longer.

With records, you wouldn't want to take them to a friends to play, unless you knew they had a new needle, because an old/bad one would tear up your records. You also would not let your friends bring over their old records, if you had the new stylus, because you didn't want to tear up your needle.

You can't leave them in your car 'cause they would warp in the heat.

Sound quality.....the first time I heard Pink Floyd's, 'Dark Side of the Moon', I heard things I had never heard before (that could've been the headphones though).

Now the album art is something that was always sorely missed.

If you tell me you collect them for the sake of collecting, I can understand that (I have 2000 comic books that noone can touch without a 2 hour lecture in advance)

So educate me guys......what's the big deal with records?
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As some of you already know, I am old. I have a real question, so please go easy on me.....

What is the big deal these days with records? I can understand that if you are doing the rap thing you need to have the ability to do the scratch sound thing, but we gave up records for cassettes. Then we gave those up for CDs. Why? Because they were better.

Better because they were smaller, easier to maintain and lasted longer.

With records, you wouldn't want to take them to a friends to play, unless you knew they had a new needle, because an old/bad one would tear up your records. You also would not let your friends bring over their old records, if you had the new stylus, because you didn't want to tear up your needle.

You can't leave them in your car 'cause they would warp in the heat.

Sound quality.....the first time I heard Pink Floyd's, 'Dark Side of the Moon', I heard things I had never heard before (that could've been the headphones though).

Now the album art is something that was always sorely missed.

If you tell me you collect them for the sake of collecting, I can understand that (I have 2000 comic books that noone can touch without a 2 hour lecture in advance)

So educate me guys......what's the big deal with records?
i just like the smoothe soothing sound of a vinyl record playing.. i'm also big into listening to certain stuff on cassette [notably Dilla], because that's how he listened to all his stuff and i love having that experience-- almost like sharing the moment with the person that made it. maybe i'm just weird though.
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Old 04-02-2009, 10:48 AM   #44 (permalink)
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As some of you already know, I am old. I have a real question, so please go easy on me.....

What is the big deal these days with records? I can understand that if you are doing the rap thing you need to have the ability to do the scratch sound thing, but we gave up records for cassettes. Then we gave those up for CDs. Why? Because they were better.

Better because they were smaller, easier to maintain and lasted longer.

With records, you wouldn't want to take them to a friends to play, unless you knew they had a new needle, because an old/bad one would tear up your records. You also would not let your friends bring over their old records, if you had the new stylus, because you didn't want to tear up your needle.

You can't leave them in your car 'cause they would warp in the heat.

Sound quality.....the first time I heard Pink Floyd's, 'Dark Side of the Moon', I heard things I had never heard before (that could've been the headphones though).

Now the album art is something that was always sorely missed.

If you tell me you collect them for the sake of collecting, I can understand that (I have 2000 comic books that noone can touch without a 2 hour lecture in advance)

So educate me guys......what's the big deal with records?
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Digital music sounds too mechanical. Which is fine if you listen exclusively to electronic music, but with other music the warmth of the sound and the "realness" of it is a definite bonus.

Plus nostalgia and tradition help. I've been listening to records at my uncle's house since I was 8.
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Old 04-02-2009, 12:30 PM   #46 (permalink)
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Its gotten to be kind of a trend lately I suppose. But for me, it started when I raided my parents vinyl at the age of about 9. I went on to get into dj shit at which point my collection began growing as far as hip-hop and electronic music go. Then i guess my interest in vinyl just kinda stayed and I grew the rest of my collection as well.
For me the benefits are obvious. A good portion of my music is digital, so, as bearsy mentioned the sound quality when compared to analog is just pretty poor. Also, I like to have big ass album art laying around. Digital copies for on the go, bulky vinyl for at home listening pleasure.
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So, back in the day, we had hundreds of dollars (thousands in today's money) invested in equipment to have the ability to change the sound of any record we played. If your record was played on a shitty record player, it sounded shitty. If it was played on a good one, it sounded good.

Just from personal experience, I'm not sure I agree with the sound quality being better (that could also be from too many rock concerts!).

Now nostalgia I can understand. I have records of MY parents for the same reason. (I mean who ever heard of Jim Nabors?)(He was 'Gomer Pyle' on TV, but did you know he could sing???)

So to stay with the thread (sorry), I will say I have:

Jimi Hendrix - Electric Ladyland
Carole King - Tapestries
Pink Floyd - Dark Side of the Moon
Janis Joplin - Cheap Thrills
Simon and Garfunkel - (same one as in above post)
Grateful Dead - (don't know which one because the cover is in 3 pieces and I can't find the right piece)

I have more but these are all originals from the day. All well loved (scratched up).

One last thing....invest in a good record cleaner. Use it each and every time. Keep your records in their sleeves, don't leave them all over the place. Take care of you needle. (Some people had 2 cartridges...1 for their own stuff, 1 for everyone else's.)

I love music, anyway I can get it.

Thanks for the kindness guys....
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So, back in the day, we had hundreds of dollars (thousands in today's money) invested in equipment to have the ability to change the sound of any record we played. If your record was played on a shitty record player, it sounded shitty. If it was played on a good one, it sounded good.

Just from personal experience, I'm not sure I agree with the sound quality being better (that could also be from too many rock concerts!).

Now nostalgia I can understand. I have records of MY parents for the same reason. (I mean who ever heard of Jim Nabors?)(He was 'Gomer Pyle' on TV, but did you know he could sing???)

So to stay with the thread (sorry), I will say I have:

Jimi Hendrix - Electric Ladyland
Carole King - Tapestries
Pink Floyd - Dark Side of the Moon
Janis Joplin - Cheap Thrills
Simon and Garfunkel - (same one as in above post)
Grateful Dead - (don't know which one because the cover is in 3 pieces and I can't find the right piece)

I have more but these are all originals from the day. All well loved (scratched up).

One last thing....invest in a good record cleaner. Use it each and every time. Keep your records in their sleeves, don't leave them all over the place. Take care of you needle. (Some people had 2 cartridges...1 for their own stuff, 1 for everyone else's.)

I love music, anyway I can get it.

Thanks for the kindness guys....
Well I guess sound quality isn't exactly the right word for it. Digital media just doesn't have the warmth and depth of sound that analog does, although it is a "cleaner" sound its just not the same.
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@ Mothernature- I think vinyl vs. cd is a matter of taste, cd is cleaner, vinyl is richer and warmer. The CD format could have done with better sampling rate and bit depth, they set the format standard a bit too low IMO.

In terms of durability- if you look after vinyl it lasts for ever- I`ve got mint records I`ve had for decades and played loads of times.
CDs on the other hand always degenerate and start skipping after a decade or so even if you do look after them. And they`re just as vulnerable to scratching if you leave them out of their case.
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God I love vinyl.

Can't wait till I get two taglbles and a mixer.

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Are there any online record stores that stock a lot of stuff?
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Bearsy it wasn't 6 yet, so it's okay.

Glad I could amuse and you could make heads or tails of it scatter. Long as my meaning wasn't lost I suppose.
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Are there any online record stores that stock a lot of stuff?
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It`s not a store but most of the sellers are legit and there`s some hella good stuff.
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the only vinyl I have is an near-mint original pressing of Neil Young's "Harvest", signed by the man hisself.

It's arguably one of my favourite possessions.
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Digital music sounds too mechanical. Which is fine if you listen exclusively to electronic music, but with other music the warmth of the sound and the "realness" of it is a definite bonus.
i know ya didna' mean no harm bearsy, but this is untrue and unfair to a huge slew of electronic producers who incorporate melodic elements into their music. where it may not matter as much is a DJ spinning in a massive-room setting where the speakers are completely maxed out by bass anyways, but if you're ripping off a bedroom/car mix the difference between the two formats is huge.

if anything it is a lot of the modern pop/rock/r&b that is essentially pre-packaged for distribution on mp4 devices & as ringtones.. you go to some little commercial school for mastering these days and it's all about the radio edit.

so while it's great to source just about anything on vinyl, what is key is seeking out those artists & producers who keep/kept their values raw & pure to begin with.
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also I feel compelled to point out that alot of good electronic music is/was originally released on vinyl.. even current artists like Boards of Canada
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Harvest is the perfect example of an album that is a complete shame to listen to in a compressed format.

Harmonics just go to shit and/or essentially become nonexistent.
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oddly i can't recall ever having actually listened to the record... :\
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