regge/rock/ dub - Page 2

crookedhatinator45 · 05-04-2009, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by HYPERFUKBOT

get dub side of the moon and radiodread if you can. seriously though the commonly held golden era of dub and reggae was 30 years ago.

reggae came from dub.. dub and dancehall's been around since like the 30s mang..

BigLuna · 05-04-2009, 11:33 PM

try skindred for regge/rock

myxomatosis · 05-05-2009, 12:24 AM

Terrible, terrible band.

K10 · 05-05-2009, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by herbinator45

reggae came from dub.. dub and dancehall's been around since like the 30s mang..

wrong....you do realize that dub is just manipulated reggae songs right? Stripped down vocals + extra bass and echo effects. It's a form of remixing.

K10 · 05-05-2009, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Stoney

Well they were on top of their game at Reggae Fest last year and I've caught them a couple of times at the Flamingo Cantina and they were pretty good. Don't know what's gonna happen with the band now that Josh Heinrichs is gone... Guess good music is all a matter of opinion.

I just can't stand white people faking Jamaican accents. They can play pretty good and all but I just can't take that shit.

LOL.....I just watched a video of him talkin about his new solo stuff and he's not doin it now.

crookedhatinator45 · 05-05-2009, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by K10

wrong....you do realize that dub is just manipulated reggae songs right? Stripped down vocals + extra bass and echo effects. It's a form of remixing.

dub is the first form of mixing/turntablism.. to say dub is just manipulated reggae tracks is ridiculous though.. dub pre-dates reggae.. dub and soundsystems have been around since the 20s....

sure, post 50s/60s dub uses a lot of reggaeton tracks to sample, yes,,, because that's why/how reggae came to be..

the soundsystems got all of their music that they'd sample from the US and the UK. in the 50s and 60s, everything coming out of the US and UK was rock and stuffs.. they wanted up-beat shuffles and ballads to sample, so they started making their own music and that's how rocksteady and later on reggae and later soca came about.

Grieves · 05-05-2009, 09:30 PM

it all comes from mo-town and the r&b of that era...

sublimerig · 05-05-2009, 09:58 PM

yeah. they got radio stations from miami in jamaca but the signal was bad. i read thats why the guitar plays that upstroke. they were trying to emulate what they heard on the radio.

BigLuna · 05-05-2009, 10:56 PM

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Terrible, terrible band.

To each his own my friend.

myxomatosis · 05-05-2009, 11:00 PM

This is one of those situations where I'd have to vehemently disagree. However you were polite so I will remain polite as well.

K10 · 05-06-2009, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by herbinator45

dub is the first form of mixing/turntablism.. to say dub is just manipulated reggae tracks is ridiculous though.. dub pre-dates reggae.. dub and soundsystems have been around since the 20s....

sure, post 50s/60s dub uses a lot of reggaeton tracks to sample, yes,,, because that's why/how reggae came to be..

the soundsystems got all of their music that they'd sample from the US and the UK. in the 50s and 60s, everything coming out of the US and UK was rock and stuffs.. they wanted up-beat shuffles and ballads to sample, so they started making their own music and that's how rocksteady and later on reggae and later soca came about.

Dub did not even exist til the 60s. Everyone was still playing jazz and blues in the 20s. Perhaps your confusing DJs with actual dub music, because certainly the format of someone selecting music for an audience has existed much longer in Jamaica than anywhere else. However, they were not making Dub music. The very definition of Dub music is remixing reggae b-sides. The dudes who invented Dub weren't even alive in the 20s. King Tubby who is generally credited with creating Dub, was born in the 1940s. You can attribute his influences to an earlier time but there was no Dub music til the 60s. Do some research, I have several books on the subject and have never found anything to back up what your saying here.

my_scatterheart · 05-06-2009, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by BigLuna

To each his own my friend.

That shit made my ears bleed.
fucks wrong with you

myxomatosis · 05-06-2009, 01:11 PM

Role reversal.

fenderbender · 05-06-2009, 02:03 PM

Tomorrows Bad Seeds - band with only like one album out i think but a bunch of good tracks... kid has a great voice too

Expendables - pretty good shit

Passafire - another similar band

Pepper - same

Slightly Stoopid - i like their acoustic album alot but imo rest of their stuff is repetative, but they are the most popular from the ones ive mentioned probally idk

bunch of other shit out there idk

crookedhatinator45 · 05-06-2009, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by K10

Dub did not even exist til the 60s. Everyone was still playing jazz and blues in the 20s. Perhaps your confusing DJs with actual dub music, because certainly the format of someone selecting music for an audience has existed much longer in Jamaica than anywhere else. However, they were not making Dub music. The very definition of Dub music is remixing reggae b-sides. The dudes who invented Dub weren't even alive in the 20s. King Tubby who is generally credited with creating Dub, was born in the 1940s. You can attribute his influences to an earlier time but there was no Dub music til the 60s. Do some research, I have several books on the subject and have never found anything to back up what your saying here.

dude.. caribbean studies is one of my minors. i don't know what books you're going by, but i can link you some readings and you'll see what i'm talking about..

to say that dub didn't exist until the 60s and that it's simply mashing reggae b-sides is a joke..

sublimerig · 05-06-2009, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by herbinator45

dude.. caribbean studies is one of my minors. i don't know what books you're going by, but i can link you some readings and you'll see what i'm talking about..

to say that dub didn't exist until the 60s and that it's simply mashing reggae b-sides is a joke..

i don't want to mif you man, but where are you studying?

king tubby and scratch perry pretty much started the bulk of it in the 60's like dude said.

but either way, regardless of when it was originated, its good fucking music!

crookedhatinator45 · 05-07-2009, 02:28 PM

coxsone dodd and duke reid were playing dub in the 40s and 50s mang..

K10 · 05-08-2009, 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by herbinator45

coxsone dodd and duke reid were playing dub in the 40s and 50s mang..

Back it up then dude...I know who both of those guys are and mixing records doe not equal dub music. If you have some sort of secret information that no one else has with regards to music history then lets hear it.

I think we're basically arguing semantics here. I can only assume your referring to to "rocksteady".... i mean I know what your talking about but I don't call it dub. It's not what people like King tubby were doing....different process, similar structure. I mean...you could certainly say that these guys pioneered the sound to an extent, but they were not doing dub and 40's and 50's is a bit of an exaggeration.

crookedhatinator45 · 05-08-2009, 10:34 AM

i don't know.. as a musician myself, i think you're getting a little too anal in genre-tizing shiz.

K10 · 05-08-2009, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by herbinator45

i don't know.. as a musician myself, i think you're getting a little too anal in genre-tizing shiz.

Maybe, but Dub in my opinion refers not only to the style of music, but also to the method by which its made. Dub is made mostly from pre-existing material by manipulating tracks with reverb and echo, emphasizing different parts of tracks, stripping original vocals, toasting over it, etc. These elements exemplify Dub and there were certainly precursors to this as far as the overall sound goes. Rocksteady birthed reggae and dub, but dub was taken in a different direction in that it was made by a producer in a studio with little or no new live instrumentation.

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