Fuck Record Companies...

Jonas · 05-08-2009, 11:35 PM

My vision of how music should be ---
Fuck the record companies. All recorded music should be free to the public (in any lossless format)

Bands / Managers / Producers / etc. should put all there energy / time / work into live shows / concerts.
Then they can sell Reasonably priced merch at these live shows, be it shirts, hats, socks, posters, panties, or actual hard copies of there singles, eps, albums, etc. (be it vinyl, cd, cassette..)

I dunno, I is real drunkerd n stoned atm, and don't really know too much about the music industry.. But fuck i hate how much cds cost, even vinyl fuck. 20 bucks for a cd is hway too much. Even fucking vinyl is overpriced as shit. I wanna buy AC's MPP but haven't seen it at any of the record stores for less than 28 bucks. like fuck...

/end rate....

ps sorry for all the 'fucks' and ' / '

pps - i am impressed i can still format a post at this state, be it only font size and bold, go me!

cantSEEme · 05-08-2009, 11:41 PM

eh, they need that chedda.

but i feel you though. i think they should drastically reduce cd prices, all the way from the production of them to the selling price. and the riaa should just fuck right off. fucking two faced pricks. without consumers, who the fuck are they? nothing. i also think .flac should become the standard, and artists should start offering more album sales in flac.

ProfessorMurder · 05-09-2009, 04:40 PM

I remember a well known band, signed and on tour came to McAllen and our friends band opened up for them.

We got to hang out backstage.
The enevitable question from teenagers to Rock Stars: You guys must be rolling in women and money.

Actually they barely broke even on tour and get seasonal jobs cooking and construction work;
saving enough to go on a "Working Vacation" or hobby.

With the digital format's ease of recording quality and flawless reproduction and playback,
the RIAA's days are numbered.

DIY Local Studio and distribution is the way to go.

You don't have to go to your nearest metropolis just to get noticed.

You could just stay in your bedroom and let them come to you.

farmergiles · 05-10-2009, 02:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ProfessorMurder

DIY Local Studio and distribution is the way to go.

You don't have to go to your nearest metropolis just to get noticed.

You could just stay in your bedroom and let them come to you.

You`d still have to promote yourself. Although the nets are a useful tool for sure you`d still have to leave the bedroom at some point to get anywhere.

But you`re right to say recording and distribution can be done at home.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ©antSEEme

.flac should become the standard

- Word, balls to paying for MP3s.

Grieves · 05-10-2009, 03:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jonas

My vision of how music should be ---
Fuck the record companies. All recorded music should be free to the public (in any lossless format)

Bands / Managers / Producers / etc. should put all there energy / time / work into live shows / concerts.
Then they can sell Reasonably priced merch at these live shows, be it shirts, hats, socks, posters, panties, or actual hard copies of there singles, eps, albums, etc. (be it vinyl, cd, cassette..)

I dunno, I is real drunkerd n stoned atm, and don't really know too much about the music industry.. But fuck i hate how much cds cost, even vinyl fuck. 20 bucks for a cd is hway too much. Even fucking vinyl is overpriced as shit. I wanna buy AC's MPP but haven't seen it at any of the record stores for less than 28 bucks. like fuck...

/end rate....

ps sorry for all the 'fucks' and ' / '

pps - i am impressed i can still format a post at this state, be it only font size and bold, go me!

The reason you pay 20 dollars for a cd is the same reason you pay 20 dollars for a pizza when it costs mere cents to make...Every hand involved needs to get payed, for every album made you have at least 30-300 people involved and at 20 bucks a pop it means that some people are getting .01's of a cent...

Live shows and merchandising are how bands re-coup the money borrowed to make the album and promote it...If they are lucky they may take home some for themselves...

Record companies are nothing more than corporate sponsor ship akin to the way skate companies are sponsors for professional skaters..They are essential to foster widespread exposure..

Sounds like someone has gotten too used to downloading free music...

ProfessorMurder · 05-10-2009, 09:13 AM

The thing about the RIAA is that they manufacture or push untalented artist,
and supress the real naturals.

That's why they started the Idol and Britian got talent show; they're desperate.

Did you see britney screaming in her mic when a fan jumped the stage,
but you counldn't hear her sreaming.

Countless others that have no business enternaining or influencing society.

Just because they look good in tight clothes.

The jonas brothers have an ENTIRE BAND behind them playing their music!!!

on the other hand I just recently started listening to SANTOGOLD or SANTIGOLD.

She's on a major label in Britain but a subsidiary in the states.
I heard her songs on commercials and were very catchy.
She was producer and A&R for a label until she started on her own 2008 project.

Dude, she should be eclipsing all the brittneys and ashleys simpsons.

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Where's here radio saturation?!
They only use her songs to sell crap and not her.

Grieves · 05-10-2009, 10:49 AM

They market what sells to teenage girls because they have throughout the last few decades have been primary consumers with the most disposable income...Quality is far from the minds of those playing to fads...

farmergiles · 05-10-2009, 12:28 PM

You`re missing a large part of the point Grieves.

Major record companies havn`t made much money from selling that teeny bopper shite and all the rest of it in the last decade or two, they`ve made it from re-issues of Pink Floyd, The Beatles etc etc.

Often tracks that don`t chart and have no mainstream exposure actually sell more records than the shit that`s rammed down our unfortunate throats.

The major record companies have become fat and stupid. They`re so complacent thinking they`ve sown up the whole game that they don`t mind running the industry into the ground by bad management.

Grieves · 05-10-2009, 12:54 PM

replace record company with any/all industry in america and i would agree...

The quality of the product is secondary if seats are getting filled and records are getting sold...

I don't however agree "Often tracks that don`t chart and have no mainstream exposure actually sell more records than the shit that`s rammed down our unfortunate throats."

Quote:

•Leona Lewis' Bleeding Love was the year's top-selling digital song with 3.42 million downloads. Lil Wayne's Lollipop also topped 3 million, by 160,000. Rest of the top five: Flo Rida's Low, Katy Perry's I Kissed a Girl, Coldplay's Viva la Vida.

Quote:

Lil Wayne's Tha Carter III was the No. 1 album, selling 2.87 million copies. Coldplay's Viva la Vida or Death and All His Friends, Taylor Swift's Fearless and Kid Rock's Rock 'n' Roll Jesus were the only other albums to sell 2 million in 2008, compared with eight in 2007.

Music sales boom, but albums fizzle for '08 - USATODAY.com

Where as the Fleet Foxes - Sun Giant EP/Fleet Foxes, the #1 record(s) on pitchfork and other top ten lists of last year have combined to sell less than 400,000 total...

farmergiles · 05-10-2009, 01:20 PM

Like I was saying though, most quality records (or downloads or whatever) nowadays don`t chart because they arn`t sold in a marketplace where their sales are recorded by whoever makes the chart.

There isn`t any list, especially at present, that provides accurate figures of sales

USATODAY.com have probably never heard of Tresor or Warp or a whole lot of other labels that sell a fuck of a lot of downloads.

Edit and even if they had how would they know how many records(downloads whatever) they had sold?

al-Mu'akhkhir · 05-10-2009, 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by farmergiles

Like I was saying though, most quality records (or downloads or whatever) nowadays don`t chart because they arn`t sold in a marketplace where their sales are recorded by whoever makes the chart.

There isn`t any list, especially at present, that provides accurate figures of sales

USATODAY.com have probably never heard of Tresor or Warp or a whole lot of other labels that sell a fuck of a lot of downloads.

Edit and even if they had how would they know how many records(downloads whatever) they had sold?

it's called "soundscan"

farmergiles · 05-10-2009, 02:44 PM

Where do soundscan get their data?

al-Mu'akhkhir · 05-10-2009, 04:35 PM

think about it brah, it's a barcode that's included on 90% of CDs you will buy, on the packaging, every time one is sold, the soundscan thing is scanned, soundscan gets a +1 for that album. etc.

farmergiles · 05-10-2009, 04:44 PM

Like I`ve said twice now a lot of records and downloads get sold which don`t make it onto soundscan or anyone else`s database.

How are soundscan going to record a sale from a download? The only people who know about it apart from the site and the customer are paypal or visa and they arn`t going to tell top of the pops.

Grieves · 05-10-2009, 11:31 PM

There are records kept for legal downloads and i believe your information to be incorrect...If you are selling millions of records or downloads soundscan will know, they keep tabs on independent music as well..

farmergiles · 05-11-2009, 02:14 AM

Register Product with Nielsen SoundScan

^ According to their website you have to register your tune with them for it to show up, so it is not compulsory in any way. Also it is only used for US and Canadian sales. So that`s that theory blown out of the water.

Grieves · 05-11-2009, 02:23 AM

It's on the retailers end...I'm sure thats par the leasing agreement for the music to be hosted on whatever site/service...Plus it is at a bands disadvantage to not be listed...

It is hard however to see what is popular if unlisted/indie, but all the popular torrent sites and other outlets have ways of listing by seeder and chances are on the ones with the highest traffic, the top 100 downloaded are most likely more than 75% the same and the others are probably on the list of most sales overall...

al-Mu'akhkhir · 05-11-2009, 08:25 AM

industry rule number four thousand and eighty, record company people are shadyyyy so kids watch you back 'cuz I think they smoke crack. (I don't doubt it, lookit how they act)

ProfessorMurder · 05-11-2009, 12:23 PM

You wanna rock and roll?
You do it on your own dime.

Here are some rock stars relaxing by the pool.
From The Decline of Western Civilization:
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Check Out Robo's room/closet at an old church basement @ 2:40

05-09-2009, 04:40 PM	#3 (permalink)
ProfessorMurder Jackal Ghoul Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Rio Grande Valley, Texas Posts: 1,270 Thanks: 31 Thanked 125 Times in 99 Posts	I remember a well known band, signed and on tour came to McAllen and our friends band opened up for them. We got to hang out backstage. The enevitable question from teenagers to Rock Stars: You guys must be rolling in women and money. Actually they barely broke even on tour and get seasonal jobs cooking and construction work; saving enough to go on a "Working Vacation" or hobby. With the digital format's ease of recording quality and flawless reproduction and playback, the RIAA's days are numbered. DIY Local Studio and distribution is the way to go. You don't have to go to your nearest metropolis just to get noticed. You could just stay in your bedroom and let them come to you. __________________ "No contaban con mi astucia!"

05-10-2009, 09:13 AM	#6 (permalink)
ProfessorMurder Jackal Ghoul Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Rio Grande Valley, Texas Posts: 1,270 Thanks: 31 Thanked 125 Times in 99 Posts	The thing about the RIAA is that they manufacture or push untalented artist, and supress the real naturals. That's why they started the Idol and Britian got talent show; they're desperate. Did you see britney screaming in her mic when a fan jumped the stage, but you counldn't hear her sreaming. Countless others that have no business enternaining or influencing society. Just because they look good in tight clothes. The jonas brothers have an ENTIRE BAND behind them playing their music!!! on the other hand I just recently started listening to SANTOGOLD or SANTIGOLD. She's on a major label in Britain but a subsidiary in the states. I heard her songs on commercials and were very catchy. She was producer and A&R for a label until she started on her own 2008 project. Dude, she should be eclipsing all the brittneys and ashleys simpsons. <object width="560" height="340"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/TwNkuw-YTVo&hl=en&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScree n" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptacc ess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/TwNkuw-YTVo&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="a lways" allowfullscreen="tru e" width="560" height="340"></embed></object> Where's here radio saturation?! They only use her songs to sell crap and not her. __________________ "No contaban con mi astucia!"

05-10-2009, 10:49 AM	#7 (permalink)
Grieves The Worst Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Interstate 8 Posts: 12,081 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 2,559 Thanked 3,110 Times in 1,708 Posts	They market what sells to teenage girls because they have throughout the last few decades have been primary consumers with the most disposable income...Quality is far from the minds of those playing to fads... __________________ "And no matter what they said dollar is not your friend and it's the feelings that are hard to know are the feelings that all come slow No matter what they said dollar is not your friend and these feelings that so hard to know are the feelings that wont let go No don't let go, till you find a home World Unite and I'll love you forever"

05-10-2009, 12:28 PM	#8 (permalink)
farmergiles Yahookan Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Sick of the hatred and the lies Posts: 7,796 Thanks: 2,280 Thanked 3,746 Times in 2,551 Posts	You`re missing a large part of the point Grieves. Major record companies havn`t made much money from selling that teeny bopper shite and all the rest of it in the last decade or two, they`ve made it from re-issues of Pink Floyd, The Beatles etc etc. Often tracks that don`t chart and have no mainstream exposure actually sell more records than the shit that`s rammed down our unfortunate throats. The major record companies have become fat and stupid. They`re so complacent thinking they`ve sown up the whole game that they don`t mind running the industry into the ground by bad management. __________________ Cultivate a stoic calmness *Fuck the Monkeys* Every Kind of Vice

05-10-2009, 01:20 PM	#10 (permalink)
farmergiles Yahookan Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Sick of the hatred and the lies Posts: 7,796 Thanks: 2,280 Thanked 3,746 Times in 2,551 Posts	Like I was saying though, most quality records (or downloads or whatever) nowadays don`t chart because they arn`t sold in a marketplace where their sales are recorded by whoever makes the chart. There isn`t any list, especially at present, that provides accurate figures of sales USATODAY.com have probably never heard of Tresor or Warp or a whole lot of other labels that sell a fuck of a lot of downloads. Edit and even if they had how would they know how many records(downloads whatever) they had sold? __________________ Cultivate a stoic calmness *Fuck the Monkeys* Every Kind of Vice

05-08-2009, 11:41 PM	#2 (permalink)
cantSEEme Cold School Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 3,019 Thanks: 152 Thanked 127 Times in 457 Posts	eh, they need that chedda. but i feel you though. i think they should drastically reduce cd prices, all the way from the production of them to the selling price. and the riaa should just fuck right off. fucking two faced pricks. without consumers, who the fuck are they? nothing. i also think .flac should become the standard, and artists should start offering more album sales in flac.

05-10-2009, 02:44 PM	#12 (permalink)
farmergiles Yahookan Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Sick of the hatred and the lies Posts: 7,796 Thanks: 2,280 Thanked 3,746 Times in 2,551 Posts	Where do soundscan get their data? __________________ Cultivate a stoic calmness *Fuck the Monkeys* Every Kind of Vice

05-10-2009, 04:35 PM	#13 (permalink)
al-Mu'akhkhir Vem Para Ficar Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: in some pussy Posts: 3,203 Thanks: 500 Thanked 351 Times in 270 Posts	think about it brah, it's a barcode that's included on 90% of CDs you will buy, on the packaging, every time one is sold, the soundscan thing is scanned, soundscan gets a +1 for that album. etc. __________________

05-10-2009, 04:44 PM	#14 (permalink)
farmergiles Yahookan Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Sick of the hatred and the lies Posts: 7,796 Thanks: 2,280 Thanked 3,746 Times in 2,551 Posts	Like I`ve said twice now a lot of records and downloads get sold which don`t make it onto soundscan or anyone else`s database. How are soundscan going to record a sale from a download? The only people who know about it apart from the site and the customer are paypal or visa and they arn`t going to tell top of the pops. __________________ Cultivate a stoic calmness *Fuck the Monkeys* Every Kind of Vice

05-10-2009, 11:31 PM	#15 (permalink)
Grieves The Worst Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Interstate 8 Posts: 12,081 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 2,559 Thanked 3,110 Times in 1,708 Posts	There are records kept for legal downloads and i believe your information to be incorrect...If you are selling millions of records or downloads soundscan will know, they keep tabs on independent music as well.. __________________ "And no matter what they said dollar is not your friend and it's the feelings that are hard to know are the feelings that all come slow No matter what they said dollar is not your friend and these feelings that so hard to know are the feelings that wont let go No don't let go, till you find a home World Unite and I'll love you forever"

05-11-2009, 02:14 AM	#16 (permalink)
farmergiles Yahookan Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Sick of the hatred and the lies Posts: 7,796 Thanks: 2,280 Thanked 3,746 Times in 2,551 Posts	Register Product with Nielsen SoundScan ^ According to their website you have to register your tune with them for it to show up, so it is not compulsory in any way. Also it is only used for US and Canadian sales. So that`s that theory blown out of the water. __________________ Cultivate a stoic calmness *Fuck the Monkeys* Every Kind of Vice

05-11-2009, 02:23 AM	#17 (permalink)
Grieves The Worst Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Interstate 8 Posts: 12,081 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 2,559 Thanked 3,110 Times in 1,708 Posts	It's on the retailers end...I'm sure thats par the leasing agreement for the music to be hosted on whatever site/service...Plus it is at a bands disadvantage to not be listed... It is hard however to see what is popular if unlisted/indie, but all the popular torrent sites and other outlets have ways of listing by seeder and chances are on the ones with the highest traffic, the top 100 downloaded are most likely more than 75% the same and the others are probably on the list of most sales overall... __________________ "And no matter what they said dollar is not your friend and it's the feelings that are hard to know are the feelings that all come slow No matter what they said dollar is not your friend and these feelings that so hard to know are the feelings that wont let go No don't let go, till you find a home World Unite and I'll love you forever"

05-11-2009, 08:25 AM	#18 (permalink)
al-Mu'akhkhir Vem Para Ficar Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: in some pussy Posts: 3,203 Thanks: 500 Thanked 351 Times in 270 Posts	industry rule number four thousand and eighty, record company people are shadyyyy so kids watch you back 'cuz I think they smoke crack. (I don't doubt it, lookit how they act) __________________

05-11-2009, 12:23 PM	#19 (permalink)
ProfessorMurder Jackal Ghoul Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Rio Grande Valley, Texas Posts: 1,270 Thanks: 31 Thanked 125 Times in 99 Posts	You wanna rock and roll? You do it on your own dime. Here are some rock stars relaxing by the pool. From The Decline of Western Civilization: <object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/uAirCxh3JfY&hl=en&fs =1"></param><param name="allowFullScree n" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptacc ess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/uAirCxh3JfY&hl=en&fs =1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="a lways" allowfullscreen="tru e" width="425" height="344"></embed></object> Check Out Robo's room/closet at an old church basement @ 2:40 __________________ "No contaban con mi astucia!"

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