why is hip hop the best genre of music? - Page 2

Ego Tripping · 08-03-2009, 12:34 PM

And I do agree that Tool is one of those rock bands that I'm referring to. The Flaming Lips are another band that I feel really brings the knowledge down to the fans. Wilco is quickly gaining ground as a band that truly understands our world and educates people about it as well. But as I said, if we're measuring "the best" by the societal, political and educational content of the genres themselves, then yes, hip hop by far reigns supreme.

cantSEEme · 08-03-2009, 12:47 PM

every genre has artists & bands that inspire.

every genre has artists & bands that suck and are all about $$$ & fame.

one is not better than the other, it's all subjective.

that's all i got to say on the matter, you nigs is going a little far, what with the graphs and all that shit. just enjoy the music, whatever genre, and if it inspires you, great.

Jack Straw · 08-03-2009, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Mydriasis

You'd really take ugk's riding dirty over tool's lateralus lyrics-wise?

I agree with you in that UGK never even wades in the shallow end of the pool of Tool's consciousness. Tool's art is amazing. They are truly gifted individuals. I really like Maynard's voice, when he is showing it and it doesn't sound distorted.
I am aware of Tool's lyrical content. I know they speak of sacred geometry and the evolution of mankind. But that doesn't mean I want to hear of these weighty topics in my music. I find Tool's lyrics often inaccessible without much deliberation. They sing of very pensive topics. Do I want to be all meditative and thoughtful all the time? Of course not. I would want to listen to Lateralus maybe twice a year. If they inspired me perhaps, I would read literature about the things brought about in their music. Which seems a much better enterprise to think upon sacred geometry and evolution and such than an at-most 10 minute song.
Anyway, like I said, I would take UGK's Ridin Dirty over Tool's Lateralus any day of the week.

Pimp's voice and Bun's flow combined with their production just does it for me.

Breakin haters off can't be mistaken for fakin
Fools are the ones left shakin, flakin
Marijuana deals with Jamaicans
Bakin up the powder to a fat cake an'
Mashin from the scene almost crashin, flashin
Cop lights keep a player dashin
Cash-in, on the crack buzz, paper stashin
With a passion for high-priced fashion
My dank-n-clothes and my eighty-fo's clanky
God dang he, motherfuckers actin cranky
Stanky, attitudes be janky
I think he, gon' hafta feel the stang from the rang on my panky. - Bun B. Pinky Ring

Being · 08-03-2009, 01:38 PM

Read this, and this is one of the reasons why, In my opinion, hip hop is not the best genre. Nor do i think it is the most influential when it comes to educating, being political, etc.

To me, Tool's Lateralus is the most amazing piece of music ever composed

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Danny Carey's drum beat formed a fibonacci sequence during the song Lateralus. A drummer myself, I decided to get out the graph paper and follow Danny. I can't play like he can, but at least I can hear everything he's doing, and thus was able to construct the drum tabulature. Sure enough, Danny repeats a Fibonacci sequence through the number 13: 1,1,2,3,5,8,13. After 13, he starts again with 1. Bringing in my Algebra 2 knowledge of the Fibonacci sequence, when the equation for the Fibonacci sequence (which I don't actually know) is graphed, it forms a sprial whose vertex depends on the number at which the sequence begins. Coincidence? I began to think not. I had already known of Danny's obsession with sacred geometry and am familiar with Bob Frissell's book, Nothing in This Book Is True, But It's Exactly How Things Are , so the significance of what I had stumbled upon had actually begun to settle in. This is where I just had to play with Lateralus. I had doodled a few spirals in the corners of my graph paper, and in doing so made the first important connection to Lateralus. I knew that if the tracks were in fact intended to be heard in a different order, "Parabol" and "Parabola" would have to go together. In drawing my spirals, I had begun with a vertex and 'spiraled' outwards. After writing the numbers 1 through 13 linearly, I could immediately see that Parabol and Parabola would have to be the middle of my spiral (in that 13 / 2 = 6.5). I drew a simple arrow between 6 and 7 and then pondered the next pair. At first, I actually drew a spiral connecting pairs of numbers whose sum equaled 13 (the number of songs on the album). This, however, left the last track in the same position and without anything to connect to. At this time, I had used my copy of Lateralus and Cool Edit Pro to take out the silences between tracks and put the songs in the following order: 6,7,5,8,4,9,3,10,2,1 1,1,12,13. The transition from Parabola into Schism blew my mind, as the plucks, probably dismissed by listeners as a drawn out rant of an ending, perfectly transition into the beginning of Schism. When you count out beats as the strings are plucked, Schism resumes with the same time signature and tempo - mirroring the progression of notes. The transition from Schism into Ticks & Leeches is equally intriguing. Schism ends with strong double-kick bass and tom smacks, and Ticks & Leeches begins with what many would call a 'tribal' drum beat. The beat at the very start of Ticks & Leeches is slightly different every subsequent time it is repeated - the measures are two beats longer. Yup - you guessed it - those two beats are ACTUALLY the last two beats of Schism.

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Now THATS some thought into an album. YOu can string random thoughts together that ryhme that have some slight relevance.... but nothing near this. At all. Ever.

cantSEEme · 08-03-2009, 01:42 PM

im sorry, but die-hard tool fans are the worst.

and if anyone gets offended @ this, then you are who i speak of.

Jack Straw · 08-03-2009, 01:53 PM

[QUOTE=Being;51797899] Nor do i think it is the most influential when it comes to educating, being political, etc. [QUOTE]

How can you not? When a rapper writes lyrics about current events I am both intrigued and enamored in their perspective. They are great social commentators. When Green Day writes about the same event I'm neither suprised nor entertained. When Mr Lif. drops his 2 cents on the war in Iraq I am all ears. When Bright Eyes whines his protest song out it sounds cliche or at best a tribute to topical songs of the past.

Ego Tripping · 08-03-2009, 03:23 PM

Um, but doesn't it really depend on the artist? When Dredg sings about the mysteries of existence and what happens after we die, I'm riveted. But there's plenty of Mr. Lif songs that fall by the waist side.

I think this topic, while it makes a good point, is a bit too close minded right off the bat. No musical genre is more or less impactful on society because society is composed of so many variations of desires, dislikes, priorities and messages.

Hip Hop is easily one of the most political and actively engaged within the political spectrum (which seems to be the topic paramount to this particular thread), but that doesn't make it the "best musical genre." I don't think you can classify 'best' and 'worst' just by those means alone. I think this thread needs a bit of (re)definition (sorry, Blackstar pun) on what it means to be the 'best' at something.

If the passion, knowledge, message and love is there, it doesn't matter what genre it fits in, it's the "best" music ever made.

Period.

Let me say it again.

Period.

Jack Straw · 08-03-2009, 04:15 PM

The best is very hard to prove when there is no competition to measure the best and worst by. Hence my first post in this thread.

But let me point you to the Billboard charts which are dominated by hip hop artists:

Top 100 Music Hits, Top 100 Music Charts, Top 100 Songs & The Hot 100 | Billboard.com

I don't personally like any of those songs on that chart. But somebody does. In fact a lot of people do. A lot of people who just might be taking our country into the next decade. It does sadden me how much popular hip hop is just club oriented party music. In fact I'd put money on the statement 95% of pop music sucks. Kind of a perpexling idiom. The good music is not popular but the bad is..It makes me think of Idiocracy.. (good movie)

Anyway here is a hip hop song I love off Outkast's 3rd album Aquemini:

YouTube - Outkast - SpottieOttieDopalisc ious

Also, to answer one of your underlying questions yes, I even like T-pain.

Being · 08-03-2009, 04:32 PM

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im sorry, but die-hard tool fans are the worst.

and if anyone gets offended @ this, then you are who i speak of.

I agree. I'm not a die hard tool fan, I don't consider them my favorite band, but I do consider Lateralus one of the most intelligently, perfect CDS, IMO.

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How can you not? When a rapper writes lyrics about current events I am both intrigued and enamored in their perspective. They are great social commentators. When Green Day writes about the same event I'm neither suprised nor entertained. When Mr Lif. drops his 2 cents on the war in Iraq I am all ears. When Bright Eyes whines his protest song out it sounds cliche or at best a tribute to topical songs of the past.

In case you didn't notice, you are arguing hip hop is better at speaking politically because of your opinion. Others would view it the exact opposite of you. I'm not saying I"m one of them, I'm just saying your point is based purely off of your own personal preference.

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But let me point you to the Billboard charts which are dominated by hip hop artists:

That is not a measure of musical talent, or integrity, just a measure of how well you can market your music to the masses, which I know you agree with, as you acknowledge most popular music isn't good music. So therefore, shouldn't really be a measure of how 'good' a genre or artist is at all really.

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Also, to answer one of your underlying questions yes, I even like T-pain.

08-03-2009, 12:34 PM	#21 (permalink)
Ego Tripping Are you in? Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 13,461 Thanks: 229 Thanked 657 Times in 438 Posts	And I do agree that Tool is one of those rock bands that I'm referring to. The Flaming Lips are another band that I feel really brings the knowledge down to the fans. Wilco is quickly gaining ground as a band that truly understands our world and educates people about it as well. But as I said, if we're measuring "the best" by the societal, political and educational content of the genres themselves, then yes, hip hop by far reigns supreme. __________________ God appears, and God is light, To those poor souls who dwell in night; But does a human form display To those who dwell in realms of day.

08-03-2009, 12:47 PM	#22 (permalink)
cantSEEme Cold School Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 3,051 Thanks: 152 Thanked 127 Times in 457 Posts	every genre has artists & bands that inspire. every genre has artists & bands that suck and are all about $$$ & fame. one is not better than the other, it's all subjective. that's all i got to say on the matter, you nigs is going a little far, what with the graphs and all that shit. just enjoy the music, whatever genre, and if it inspires you, great. __________________

08-03-2009, 01:42 PM	#25 (permalink)
cantSEEme Cold School Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 3,051 Thanks: 152 Thanked 127 Times in 457 Posts	im sorry, but die-hard tool fans are the worst. and if anyone gets offended @ this, then you are who i speak of. __________________

08-03-2009, 01:53 PM	#26 (permalink)
Jack Straw wishful thinker Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Utopia Posts: 982 Thanks: 10 Thanked 18 Times in 15 Posts	[QUOTE=Being;51797899] Nor do i think it is the most influential when it comes to educating, being political, etc. [QUOTE] How can you not? When a rapper writes lyrics about current events I am both intrigued and enamored in their perspective. They are great social commentators. When Green Day writes about the same event I'm neither suprised nor entertained. When Mr Lif. drops his 2 cents on the war in Iraq I am all ears. When Bright Eyes whines his protest song out it sounds cliche or at best a tribute to topical songs of the past. __________________ The time you enjoy wasting, was not wasted -John Lennon In every walk with nature one receives far more than he seeks. -John Muir One man gathers what another man spills... Last edited by Jack Straw; 08-03-2009 at 02:09 PM.

08-03-2009, 03:23 PM	#27 (permalink)
Ego Tripping Are you in? Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 13,461 Thanks: 229 Thanked 657 Times in 438 Posts	Um, but doesn't it really depend on the artist? When Dredg sings about the mysteries of existence and what happens after we die, I'm riveted. But there's plenty of Mr. Lif songs that fall by the waist side. I think this topic, while it makes a good point, is a bit too close minded right off the bat. No musical genre is more or less impactful on society because society is composed of so many variations of desires, dislikes, priorities and messages. Hip Hop is easily one of the most political and actively engaged within the political spectrum (which seems to be the topic paramount to this particular thread), but that doesn't make it the "best musical genre." I don't think you can classify 'best' and 'worst' just by those means alone. I think this thread needs a bit of (re)definition (sorry, Blackstar pun) on what it means to be the 'best' at something. If the passion, knowledge, message and love is there, it doesn't matter what genre it fits in, it's the "best" music ever made. Period. Let me say it again. Period. __________________ God appears, and God is light, To those poor souls who dwell in night; But does a human form display To those who dwell in realms of day.

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