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Old 07-08-2011, 02:52 AM   #21 (permalink)
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It's funny that you hate so much yet it seems as though you have copped the style....
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not really, just seems that way in your grumpy little hipster world...
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^lol hipster is such a dirty word.

by the way, best hipster video ever

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Just for you John I'm going to spin 'sound system', which a friend burned for me in 99 when it came out.

It's the only 311 I have.

I uploaded it on the computer, as I did with all my CDs a while back, nice and easy to find.

I'm pretty sure I like it mostly because of the quantity of LSD I consumed during the time this album was popular. Dre's Chronic 2001 album has the same effect of me. As well as a number of other albums.

That is, it can now pretty much take the place of LSD in my neural pathways


They also had a live show out on DVD or VHS back then and one of my buddies, The one who gave me the CD, ALWAYS seemed to put on or sneak in once we were good and trippin'.

And if it wasn't that, he was putting in the 6 hour tape of porn he recorded off Spice.

Yes yes... there are some interesting things floating around in there from that point in my life.

Luckily we spent most of our time outside out of the reach of his influence...

MAY?BE that is WHY we went outside and risked it so much


HEAD FOR THE WOODS JERRY HAS THE 311 TAPE OUT MANG!!!!!!

Heh, it's not all THAT bad... just story story tellin'.
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Sound System is a pretty good album.
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pretty sure I know every word to the album
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****FLASHBACK ALERT!!!!****

How old were you when the rumours of Calvin Klein (CK) and 311 being KKK related were around.


oooooOOOOOOOooooo!!! !!



lame.


**** Now back your regularly scheduled decade****
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Old 07-09-2011, 02:49 PM   #29 (permalink)
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^ I was probably around 13.

Them: It's the 11th letter of the alphabet 3 times dude!

Me: But they're always singing about positivity? That doesn't make much sense.

Never knew about the CK rumor, but did you know the original Hugo Boss did design uniforms for the Nazis?
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i seriously dont get why people who aren't associated with bands take peoples "hate" for said bands personally...
When people find a band that they really connect with, they tend to identify with them; the band becomes somewhat of an extension of themselves.

I mean, you tell me you wouldn't get at least somewhat rattled if someone started calling your favourite band utter shit, for reasons you would surely deem ignorant...

Clearly they don't understand the things that make the band (you) great, right?
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I listened to the new 311 stuff and wasn't all that impressed. However, I downloaded the Sublime with Rome album and was actually quite happy with a lot of it. I do think he talks about love and women far too much in it but it's definately got a sublime feel to it and the new singers voice works really well with the band. thanks for sharing
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When people find a band that they really connect with, they tend to identify with them; the band becomes somewhat of an extension of themselves.

I mean, you tell me you wouldn't get at least somewhat rattled if someone started calling your favourite band utter shit, for reasons you would surely deem ignorant...

Clearly they don't understand the things that make the band (you) great, right?
Honestly?

Me liking any band doesn't do anything to enhance my character, so i don't react as such...

People diluting themselves into thinking that someone else's art enhances their character are delusional and deserve to be made fun of until they shed those delusions...
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herp derp my names grieves I make fun of people for their own benefit because im soooo cool...

go smoke your parliaments and wear your thrift store clothes hipster...
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Honestly?

Me liking any band doesn't do anything to enhance my character, so i don't react as such...

People diluting themselves into thinking that someone else's art enhances their character are delusional and deserve to be made fun of until they shed those delusions...
I don't think CT was talking about a band "enhancing" said person's character.

if I can speak for him, I basically think he was saying, "Doesn't it piss you off when someone shits on your favorite, for stupid reasons, which you strongly fell are incorrect" if you have never felt this way you are either a the Dalai Lama or full of shit.
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I don't think CT was talking about a band "enhancing" said person's character.

if I can speak for him, I basically think he was saying, "Doesn't it piss you off when someone shits on your favorite, for stupid reasons, which you strongly fell are incorrect" if you have never felt this way you are either a the Dalai Lama or full of shit.
That's like working in a store and getting mad when a customer says they hate doritos...

Who the fuck cares, i didn't have anything to do with the manufacture of that product, I just sell the shit, if that guy doesn't like it, then someone else who does will come along and buy the product...

Same goes for art/love/religion whatever, If i dig it, then i dig it, no amount of people who hate it are going to turn me off from it, nor is me liking it going to make it any better for those who don't, cause I had no part in creating it or changing it, i can only experience it and then make a choice of preference, it is my "job,duty whatever" to make a choice but it isn't my "job,duty whatever" to defend it when someone rattles off that they don't like it...

Trust me when I say that I really don't care who shits on what, if anything i prefer people to be honest and express their real feelings and not some cheesy "lets all be nice to not offend anyone hand hold shit" that has saturated the internet as of late...This is the fucking internet folks, you know the final frontier of honesty and all...
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That's like working in a store and getting mad when a customer says they hate doritos...
Not necessarily. It's more like loving Doritos and being confused as to why anyone could say they hate them. I say confused instead of upset, because clearly the amount of emotional/spiritual/psychological enjoyment from a snack food compared to music is astronomically different (imo).

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Who the fuck cares, i didn't have anything to do with the manufacture of that product, I just sell the shit, if that guy doesn't like it, then someone else who does will come along and buy the product...
You didn't have anything to do with the manufacture of the clothes you like to wear, but perhaps there was a time you'd be upset if someone said your favourite shirt looked like threaded dogshit and your favourite hat is goofy as fuck.

It's not so much the process itself that brings people towards music (of course, there is the appreciation for the process), it's the varying messages it sends and feelings it evokes which truly pull people in. Bands and musicians express themselves in their own way, but as the saying goes, art is a reflection of society.

So, is it so crazy to think that some of these expressions can be so incredibly relatable to certain people?? Is it so crazy that these bands can manage to put into lyrics and music the ideals we hold dear, the troubles we face, or the things we love? I don't think so. So then why is it so crazy to believe that perhaps in some unconscious way, people see the music they love as an expression of themselves?

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Same goes for art/love/religion whatever, If i dig it, then i dig it, no amount of people who hate it are going to turn me off from it, nor is me liking it going to make it any better for those who don't, cause I had no part in creating it or changing it, i can only experience it and then make a choice of preference, it is my "job,duty whatever" to make a choice but it isn't my "job,duty whatever" to defend it when someone rattles off that they don't like it...
I don't think people decide it's their "job,duty whatever" to defend, it's an emotional knee-jerk reaction due to the connection I just described. While not everyone can see this clearly, (not) understanding you have an emotional connection is better than not having one at all...

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Trust me when I say that I really don't care who shits on what, if anything i prefer people to be honest and express their real feelings and not some cheesy "lets all be nice to not offend anyone hand hold shit" that has saturated the internet as of late...This is the fucking internet folks, you know the final frontier of honesty and all...
I'm not trying to defend the act of getting angry over someone else's expressed feelings, I'm merely trying to shed some light on why the anger occurs in the first place. However, is there any tactful way of expressing your real feelings on music you think is shit to someone who loves it? No matter what, even if nothing comes to a boil verbally, there will be some simmering inside.

Having an opinion but not identifying with it is something I believe is very important to progressing as a person... it helps you keep things in perspective. It also keeps you out of needless argument, as there is no anger after someone expresses opinions opposite to yours... but you tell me how easy it is to be consummate with such disidentification.
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i cant help but trashtalk you JFK... you make it impossible not to

311 sucks now and so do their live shows. They play some boring ass sets these days man..


and New sublime? wtf...
I must beg to differ..I've never been a big 311 fan but they were my gf at the time's favorite band. we went to see them 2 summers ago and they fucking rocked, one of the best shows I've been to. But then again we had great seats, and Ziggy Marley was there. So where The Expendables.
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Grieves, I think the difference is that a band is expressing real emotions and feelings they go through in the world. And if your a person who relates to those feelings they are expressing through music of course your going to have some kind of emotional attachment to their continued success and music. If you've never felt that you either don't experience emotions as strongly as most people, your disconnected from the world, your lying, or you arn't listening to the right music...

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Not necessarily. It's more like loving Doritos and being confused as to why anyone could say they hate them. I say confused instead of upset, because clearly the amount of emotional/spiritual/psychological enjoyment from a snack food compared to music is astronomically different (imo).



You didn't have anything to do with the manufacture of the clothes you like to wear, but perhaps there was a time you'd be upset if someone said your favourite shirt looked like threaded dogshit and your favourite hat is goofy as fuck.

It's not so much the process itself that brings people towards music (of course, there is the appreciation for the process), it's the varying messages it sends and feelings it evokes which truly pull people in. Bands and musicians express themselves in their own way, but as the saying goes, art is a reflection of society.

So, is it so crazy to think that some of these expressions can be so incredibly relatable to certain people?? Is it so crazy that these bands can manage to put into lyrics and music the ideals we hold dear, the troubles we face, or the things we love? I don't think so. So then why is it so crazy to believe that perhaps in some unconscious way, people see the music they love as an expression of themselves?



I don't think people decide it's their "job,duty whatever" to defend, it's an emotional knee-jerk reaction due to the connection I just described. While not everyone can see this clearly, (not) understanding you have an emotional connection is better than not having one at all...



I'm not trying to defend the act of getting angry over someone else's expressed feelings, I'm merely trying to shed some light on why the anger occurs in the first place. However, is there any tactful way of expressing your real feelings on music you think is shit to someone who loves it? No matter what, even if nothing comes to a boil verbally, there will be some simmering inside.

Having an opinion but not identifying with it is something I believe is very important to progressing as a person... it helps you keep things in perspective. It also keeps you out of needless argument, as there is no anger after someone expresses opinions opposite to yours... but you tell me how easy it is to be consummate with such disidentification.
I'll just put it this way...

I love music...

I have sat beside friends and shown them songs that I thought were the best in the world, heard "that shit is gay you must be a bitch, change it to some Wayne man" and not felt anything more than "bummer, guess it's not his scene", then changed it to some Wayne...

I have been at shows of my favorite artists, only to stand next to the girl who is complaining to her boyfriend about how much "so and so sucks they are the worst ever how can anyone be into this ahhhh" and turned away and started to make my way closer to the band...

You can react about other people's preferences like it is going to matter, and waste energy trying to fake empathy or you can know what you prefer and enjoy the hell out of it when you are afforded the luxury and clown on the rest...

I know this sounds all too hypocritical coming from the biggest "you gotta....." asshole on the board but at the end of the day does anyone really care what anyone else here likes, or are we all just looking for a voice of similarity..?
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Im still scratching my head over the whole Doritos thing....
If you got bummed because someone didn't buy Doritos you are one weird cat.
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