vaporedout

ok so seeing as how my 1st 2 grows went OK i would like to know maybe some pointers off the get go... i will be getting clones, purps family, once i get them what soil should i place them in(brand name), what size... 1 gal pot until ready for up-pot. when should i hit up the nutes(days after clones go into dirt.), i have the option of having a controlled temp room, what should i run it at? and how many fans should i be running in this room to keep air circulation on point?? it is 8x7x8tall. and im running a 1000w light, i only have a hps, which is better for flower but ok for veg, should i add something into the soil/nutes to compensate me using a hps the whole time.
i will be updating the whole grow through this thread so check back.
i would like to run a scrog but think im gonna try to get down the actual grow, before i jump to that step.

Pharm Girl

Check out our Sticky vapo called....."Give us your soil recipe....." There's a few dandy recipes in there....~

Nutes can wait....! I'll look up a few links to a few scrogs mems have posted.....

I'll be back..............if that's ok?

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You can use nutes once the cuttings have developed some decent roots, before that you'll probably burn them. Depending what soil you use (how rich) you probably won't need to give them too much nutes straight away but you might as well acclimatise them.

If you're using hps for veg ideally you want a strain which won't stretch too much.

Stretch may be reduced by going easy on nitrogen before and around the start of flowering. This is a little tricky as this is when the plants will tend to use a lot of nutes as they are growing fastest.

Say a 6" fan pushing around 500 cubic metres/hour (about 300 cfm) should be fine to exhaust 8x7x8' with 1000w.
You could get a smaller fan for the intake if you want to be perfectionist and have the $, if not a passive intake should be ok.

The consensus on temps seems to be about 25C lights on, 15C lights off being ideal.

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vaporedout

nooooo thats not ok, are you kiddin me, you help out so much, take yer time, roll one up, i wont be starting till next week so just prepin here

vaporedout

ive got the height so unless stretching is bad, in bud formation, then ok but if its not to big a deal, is it ok to let em stretch? even though i have a 1000, the 400cfm fan is hooked up to the light and the plants can get pretty close to it, around 9 inches before things start to get warm, will that help with stretching too?

farmergiles

If you have plenty of room it's less of an issue.

Even then, if they stretch right up to the top, the bottom half of the plant won't get enough light to produce any useful bud so lots of the plant's energies will be wasted.
Also you'll end up having to prop them up with canes and stuff.

So I'd avoid anything too sativa.

re soil and cuttings- you don't need anything too hot for cuttings so you could thin the first batch of soil with peat moss and perlite or something if necessary.
What will the cuttings be in when they arrive?

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José

this this this this I once had to "super crop(snap the top and bend it over)" a sativa indoors and even when I did it barely slowed it down.

Pharm Girl

^i ain't goin anywhere....mon-fri~.......we're all like to see a good soil recipe that maximises the yield and some of those recipes posted, are really worthy!!!

you know me, i'm gonna say keep the soil built up and stuff like that!

The nutes will be what??.....were they posted?

and ....you are venting, right?...

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vaporedout

FG, i cant remember if they will be the cubes or in cups of soil, either way they're gonna be oaksterdamn clones so the quality will be good.

PG, my ventilation is as follows, i have a charcoal filter in my attic that runs 8 inch ducting through a hole in my grow room ceiling, attached to a 400cfm inline fan or squirrel, im not sure. then the 8 inch ducting runs to my 1000w hood and the other side of the hood is open, sucking....... ha
my fresh air source is those rectangular openings in your garage by the floor, for ventilation, i covered it with wood and made a para scope effect so no light leaks.

and my nutes will be botanicare. i was impressed with the results of my outdoors(even though they seeded) so im gonna give her a full go from start to finish here. i used cal/mag outside and i read somewhere on here someone talkin bout it..... is it good/bad or should i just stick to epsom.. thanks,

farmergiles

If they're well rooted then yes, pot them straight up into the soil, no need to thin it like I suggested before.

Calmag has calcium and magnesium, epsom salts has magnesium and sulphur. So it depends what's happening with the plants.
Calcium def is maybe more common in hydro setups than soil.
If you just need a source of magnesium epsom salts are cheaper and more readily available.

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vaporedout

dang PG you made one awesome thread..... so ive got a 65 gallon fish tank, that i clean bi-weekly, is the fish water ok for baby clones.... im gonna pick em up today or tomorrow, will get pics once they look like somethin.

Pharm Girl

...i'm not familiar...with that product for outdoor use...someone else does though!

dan or fg will definetly know..i'm real fussy on what i give to newborns...

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vaporedout

wooooohoooooo...... just got home, not empty handed though.... ive been lurking around and i finally found the clones i wanted. some grand daddy purps, and sour grapes.... cant wait, im puttin em in pots tomorrow morn. heres the 1st pic

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vaporedout

so far all is going good, my temps have dipped down to 62 the low and 80 the high. i have a thermostat controlled heater set for 76. its an osculating one so its not that powerful. are those temps ok for the ladies? the outside temp has been an astonishing 29 degrees last night so, hopefully it doesnt get too much colder.

Jenna_Grows

sour grapes.. I can't wait for a smoke report.

It'd be nice if you could narrow that temp range..not easy though.

Good luck with the grow.

vaporedout

yeah its not usually this cold, the temps have been about the same, its weird though, with it being that cold my humidity is 29%. geesh i thought the room would be ok with the cold weather instead of the hot but whatever.......

and im not sure, maybe its me paranoid but i thought i saw PM on a leaf..........
i bombed the room after my last grow so it shouldnt have spoils from last time. works being a bitch so im not tending to them as i want but thats the holidays, happy turkey day, gotta go to work

farmergiles

I'd pot them up with plain water first, after that the fish water should be fine. They're showing roots right?
The sturdier the root system the better they can absorb nutes.

Should be fine, if you can raise the night time temps they will grow a little faster perhaps. What lighting schedule are they on?

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vaporedout

hey FG, i put them in 1 gal pots, fed with water the 1st two feedings and gettin ready to try the fishy water... they were in the big rockwool cubes, and had good roots, very porcupineish........


im gonna go check out the thrift/goodwill store to see if theres any heaters, i have one running but it cant keep up with these 20 degree nights...... the plants are on a 24/0 schedule right now(trying to get as much heat as possible) at least the plants are on a table for now until they go into 3 gal pots. it has been a sturdy 61 low/ 76 high.....

ps humidity is fine now, maybe cuz theres been no rain, bout 29% to 42% depending on time/outside temp.....

vaporedout

a little update. the girls are doin fine. the bushy one is grand daddy, and the taller one is the sour grapes. the spots on the sour grapes were there when the clones were brought home. maybe mg, either way i added some epsom salt with a watering so it looks better.

about the PM, i did see it, only on the SG though. the hydro guy said a sulfur burner/vaporizer would help with pm.... any other ways to deal with the spores??

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farmergiles

Fungicide. Obviously don't use too close to harvest.

You can make a baking soda mix to apply as a spray.
* 1 tablespoon of baking soda
* ½ teaspoon of liquid soap
* 1 gallon of water

Remove any mould that you find- being careful not to spread the spores around.

Low humidity and good air circulation will help.

Try to get rid of it now, the later in the grow the more difficult it is to get rid.

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