Please Diagnose

chefyD · 12-14-2010, 04:35 AM

It struggled as a seedling. It has made it to this point. However the new growth appears to be struggling with something, The new leaves are thin and folded inwards...(see pics) I have corrected a Calcium def, a week ago. Same growing conditions and practices, as my first successful attempt.
Any advice would be helpful.
Most appreciation, chefyD

Dandaweedman · 12-14-2010, 06:06 AM

In a few pics it looks like the start of an Mg def. The middle of the leaves look darker than the outside.

chefyD · 12-14-2010, 06:37 AM

Thanks, Dandy I'm havin' trouble finding that Cal-mag stuff. Which is what I wanted, I do have some Epsom salts though. Do you think that will suffice?
What do you recommend?

farmergiles · 12-14-2010, 10:12 AM

Epsom salts are ideal.

Try about 1/2 teaspoonful per gallon water.

chefyD · 12-14-2010, 11:01 AM

Thanks alot Farmer G....

stoneric · 12-14-2010, 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by farmergiles

Epsom salts are ideal.

Try about 1/2 teaspoonful per gallon water.

I've always been confused on the right dosage. I've read of up to a tablespoon per gallon. Does it depend on the yellowing and can you overdose? What would be the consequences of an overdose?

Not trying to hijack chefyD's thread. I think this applies to his question.

chefyD · 12-14-2010, 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stoneric

I've always been confused on the right dosage. I've read of up to a tablespoon per gallon. Does it depend on the yellowing and can you overdose? What would be the consequences of an overdose?

Not trying to hijack chefyD's thread. I think this applies to his question.

No worries about Hijacking my threads bro' we are all in this together. Happy Growing and thanks for the input. Everyone here has been great!
Thanks 2 All
I would think you would have to give it way more than any sane person would to OD it...LoL I have used it as a foliar spry also. Found some calmag today see how it goes..stick with the Tbs. per try starting w/ 1/2 Tbs. and go from there...Peace

Dandaweedman · 12-14-2010, 02:06 PM

Too much of anything will lock things up and fork up the ladies n gents.
The usual is 1 tsp per gallon.
Mix it in a little bit of hot water till the epsom granules disappear and then add it to the rest of the gallon of water.

I find myself using anywhere from 1/2 - 1 full tsp. per gallon.

vaporedout · 12-14-2010, 04:33 PM

cal mag is good but be careful you dont burn your plants with it, i also hear that cal mag is a hydro product, also theres something in the cal mag plus that makes some growers head for ze hills, lets see ill look at the back, its iron EDT. i dont know why but i just remember some organic growers not liking it. but i havent had any probs. good luck.

chefyD · 12-14-2010, 05:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vaporedout

cal mag is good but be careful you dont burn your plants with it, i also hear that cal mag is a hydro product, also theres something in the cal mag plus that makes some growers head for ze hills, lets see ill look at the back, its iron EDT. i dont know why but i just remember some organic growers not liking it. but i havent had any probs. good luck.

Thanks for the post, hey ya gotta be careful, less is more. However I have heard only good things about cal mag, even in the Grow Bible or what not...
Anything in moderation...but thanks for forewarning me...

Dandaweedman · 12-14-2010, 07:07 PM

Is cal mag even organic? I know cal max isn't

vaporedout · 12-14-2010, 08:26 PM

i dont think so, because i like to grow organic and when i looked at the bottle (after) i used it, I couldnt find anything saying organic..... but i was told botanicare is organic so who knows..... my ash burns white

chefyD · 12-15-2010, 02:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dandaweedman

Is cal mag even organic? I know cal max isn't

The label states "for use with organics"

???? I dunno...

farmergiles · 12-15-2010, 03:21 AM

Calcium and magnesium are minerals. They could be part of an organic compound but I don't think that's the case with the stuff people usually use.

farmergiles · 12-15-2010, 04:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stoneric

I've always been confused on the right dosage. I've read of up to a tablespoon per gallon.

Sure it wasn't a typo by me

?

Dandaweedman · 12-15-2010, 04:47 AM

Could have been a typo by me

I mighta been stoned

stoneric · 12-15-2010, 01:00 PM

So is it a teaspoon or tablespoon?

farmergiles · 12-15-2010, 01:20 PM

Teaspoon best for a gallon, you could go higher in soil for a one off dose but be careful of lock out.

Dandaweedman · 12-15-2010, 06:14 PM

I second FG

Jenna_Grows · 12-15-2010, 07:11 PM

oy... when I mix it, I use a TBSP per gallon...(Medium- a lovely soilless mix of peat, perlite and molasses water...sometimes kelp, sometimes castings, sometimes lime.. depends on what's on hand.)

Course...I can burn them with that mix too if I overdo

What did you fix the cal def last week with ChefyD?

12-14-2010, 04:35 AM	#1 (permalink)
chefyD YaHookan Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Southern Coastal Carolina Posts: 200 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 29 Thanked 68 Times in 41 Posts	Please Diagnose It struggled as a seedling. It has made it to this point. However the new growth appears to be struggling with something, The new leaves are thin and folded inwards...(see pics) I have corrected a Calcium def, a week ago. Same growing conditions and practices, as my first successful attempt. Any advice would be helpful. Most appreciation, chefyD Attached Images

12-14-2010, 06:06 AM	#2 (permalink)
Dandaweedman Old School Join Date: May 2004 Location: At the Cabana Posts: 7,407 Thanks: 699 Thanked 760 Times in 613 Posts	In a few pics it looks like the start of an Mg def. The middle of the leaves look darker than the outside. __________________ Hanging in the Cabana

12-14-2010, 06:37 AM	#3 (permalink)
chefyD YaHookan Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Southern Coastal Carolina Posts: 200 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 29 Thanked 68 Times in 41 Posts	Thanks, Dandy I'm havin' trouble finding that Cal-mag stuff. Which is what I wanted, I do have some Epsom salts though. Do you think that will suffice? What do you recommend? Last edited by chefyD; 12-14-2010 at 01:57 PM.

12-14-2010, 10:12 AM	#4 (permalink)
farmergiles Yahookan Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Sick of the hatred and the lies Posts: 7,807 Thanks: 2,285 Thanked 3,750 Times in 2,554 Posts	Epsom salts are ideal. Try about 1/2 teaspoonful per gallon water. __________________ Cultivate a stoic calmness *Fuck the Monkeys* Every Kind of Vice

12-14-2010, 02:06 PM	#8 (permalink)
Dandaweedman Old School Join Date: May 2004 Location: At the Cabana Posts: 7,407 Thanks: 699 Thanked 760 Times in 613 Posts	Too much of anything will lock things up and fork up the ladies n gents. The usual is 1 tsp per gallon. Mix it in a little bit of hot water till the epsom granules disappear and then add it to the rest of the gallon of water. I find myself using anywhere from 1/2 - 1 full tsp. per gallon. __________________ Hanging in the Cabana

12-14-2010, 11:01 AM	#5 (permalink)
chefyD YaHookan Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Southern Coastal Carolina Posts: 200 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 29 Thanked 68 Times in 41 Posts	Thanks alot Farmer G....

12-14-2010, 04:33 PM	#9 (permalink)
vaporedout " U have 2 be some1" Join Date: May 2009 Location: In a Free Nation Posts: 278 Thanks: 56 Thanked 117 Times in 83 Posts	cal mag is good but be careful you dont burn your plants with it, i also hear that cal mag is a hydro product, also theres something in the cal mag plus that makes some growers head for ze hills, lets see ill look at the back, its iron EDT. i dont know why but i just remember some organic growers not liking it. but i havent had any probs. good luck.

12-14-2010, 07:07 PM	#11 (permalink)
Dandaweedman Old School Join Date: May 2004 Location: At the Cabana Posts: 7,407 Thanks: 699 Thanked 760 Times in 613 Posts	Is cal mag even organic? I know cal max isn't __________________ Hanging in the Cabana

12-14-2010, 08:26 PM	#12 (permalink)
vaporedout " U have 2 be some1" Join Date: May 2009 Location: In a Free Nation Posts: 278 Thanks: 56 Thanked 117 Times in 83 Posts	i dont think so, because i like to grow organic and when i looked at the bottle (after) i used it, I couldnt find anything saying organic..... but i was told botanicare is organic so who knows..... my ash burns white

12-15-2010, 03:21 AM	#14 (permalink)
farmergiles Yahookan Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Sick of the hatred and the lies Posts: 7,807 Thanks: 2,285 Thanked 3,750 Times in 2,554 Posts	Calcium and magnesium are minerals. They could be part of an organic compound but I don't think that's the case with the stuff people usually use. __________________ Cultivate a stoic calmness *Fuck the Monkeys* Every Kind of Vice

12-15-2010, 04:47 AM	#16 (permalink)
Dandaweedman Old School Join Date: May 2004 Location: At the Cabana Posts: 7,407 Thanks: 699 Thanked 760 Times in 613 Posts	Could have been a typo by me I mighta been stoned __________________ Hanging in the Cabana

12-15-2010, 01:00 PM	#17 (permalink)
stoneric bougeman Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 5,646 Thanks: 704 Thanked 1,512 Times in 1,067 Posts	So is it a teaspoon or tablespoon?

12-15-2010, 01:20 PM	#18 (permalink)
farmergiles Yahookan Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Sick of the hatred and the lies Posts: 7,807 Thanks: 2,285 Thanked 3,750 Times in 2,554 Posts	Teaspoon best for a gallon, you could go higher in soil for a one off dose but be careful of lock out. __________________ Cultivate a stoic calmness *Fuck the Monkeys* Every Kind of Vice

12-15-2010, 06:14 PM	#19 (permalink)
Dandaweedman Old School Join Date: May 2004 Location: At the Cabana Posts: 7,407 Thanks: 699 Thanked 760 Times in 613 Posts	I second FG __________________ Hanging in the Cabana

12-15-2010, 07:11 PM	#20 (permalink)
Jenna_Grows Old School Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 946 Thanks: 311 Thanked 315 Times in 191 Posts	oy... when I mix it, I use a TBSP per gallon...(Medium- a lovely soilless mix of peat, perlite and molasses water...sometimes kelp, sometimes castings, sometimes lime.. depends on what's on hand.) Course...I can burn them with that mix too if I overdo What did you fix the cal def last week with ChefyD?

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