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Old 04-08-2011, 12:06 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Question Noobie Needing some help with lights and hydroponic kit

Ok sorry for my noobness but im planning on starting a hydro system in a
closet that is 8 feet long 2 feet wide and about 9 feet tall. Im looking at growing Hybrid Indica/Sativia 60/40 And im trying to find a good Hydroponic Kit w/o light and was wondering if anyone could recommenced one to me. I will be growing only 3 plants And I plan on buying one of these lights
Amazon.com: 1000 watt Switchable MH/HPS Bat Wing Grow Light System: Patio, Lawn & Garden
Amazon.com: New 1000 Watt HPS + MH Digital Grow Light System W/ Air Cooled Tube 1000W Sun Lamp Plant Growing Light: Patio, Lawn & Garden
which one is better?
I have searched for a Hydroponic Kit but I dont wanna buy one that is garbage any info would help TY much!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!::confuse d:
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This is similar to what I built years ago.

Hydroponics Online: DIY Hydro-garden : TreeHugger

It's easy to build and can be designed to fit pretty much any space available.
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You could try Hempy Buckets.
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well I was looking at some setups on youtube Like maybe this one

But I would add a water pump to it instead of the air pump and drill a hole in the top of the tub and bring my water hoses out thru it and then run feeders to 3 plants. I was thinking 1 plant in each of the one side corners then one in the middle side on the opposite side. Well there be enough room and will this work?
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You might still want an air pump to help aerate the water for the roots.
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drill a hole in the top of the tub and bring my water hoses out thru it and then run feeders to 3 plants.
here is something to think about with this idea- if your water hose is clear or translucent, light going into the tube will allow algae to start growing and will eventually block the tube.
if you use black pvc irrigation drip hose, the problem then is that it is fairly stiff, so that any curves or bends in the hose have to be fairly gentle otherwise it will kink, and it might be more difficult to keep it exactly where you want it.
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here is something to think about with this idea- if your water hose is clear or translucent, light going into the tube will allow algae to start growing and will eventually block the tube.
if you use black pvc irrigation drip hose, the problem then is that it is fairly stiff, so that any curves or bends in the hose have to be fairly gentle otherwise it will kink, and it might be more difficult to keep it exactly where you want it.
well It will be a gentle curver and I got a question does anyone know what the name for the part that the hose goes into and splits it into 3-6 drippers? Im trying to find it
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You might still want an air pump to help aerate the water for the roots.
I was thinking the same thing.
Now the roots are going to get long enough to be in the nutrient solution and at that time should i cut off the water pump since the roots are in the water? And keep the air pump going at all times...? Also When the roots get long enough to hit the water Should I still change the water every 2 weeks are will having a air stone in the water void the need to change the water?
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Manifold.

And yes you need to change the water more than once every two weeks.
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Manifold.

And yes you need to change the water more than once every two weeks.
and we you change the water and there are root masses in the water how do u avoid shocking them? not electrical shock lol
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How do you not damage your roots?

Its going to be like this
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But I was wondering How do you drain the water out of sumthing like this to put new water in with out damaging the roots?

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not to rain on this, but doesn't that system seem about the size for 1 maybe 2 plants.

unless you're growing strawberries in it.

my outdoor grow last year, every plant literally filled a 5 gallon bucket with roots.

As you might guess I'm no hydro guy.

But my plants averaged 5 to 6 feet tall, in soil with no particular measure of nutrients or ph testing, just good clean potting soil.

Looking at the video...I'd probably choose (for my own design) , (6) 5 gallon buckets

pipe everything into them, and have them drain back into the blue tub for "bubbles".

and like you said, lifting your plants to change water is a problem. You would need to add a "fill and drain" pump somewhere along the system as it is.

by week 10 or 12 you wont want to be lifting and holding 2 ? plants even, while you change water.

If this is your first grow...I say start with soil. (the 1000w lights are overkill for 2 plants.) hps 250 would suffice.

It's difficult enough first learning about the plant, skilled hydro ...more so.

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It doesn't seem like there is a way to change the water easily in that system. Also, I don't like the thought of the roots growing into the sump pump.

Well, I suppose you could get a 2nd sump pump, with a hose to the drain. Then a 3rd hose to refill...

I'd also consider soil for my first grow, for the reasons Roach said.

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not to rain on this, but doesn't that system seem about the size for 1 maybe 2 plants.

unless you're growing strawberries in it.

my outdoor grow last year, every plant literally filled a 5 gallon bucket with roots.

As you might guess I'm no hydro guy.

But my plants averaged 5 to 6 feet tall, in soil with no particular measure of nutrients or ph testing, just good clean potting soil.

Looking at the video...I'd probably choose (for my own design) , (6) 5 gallon buckets

pipe everything into them, and have them drain back into the blue tub for "bubbles".

and like you said, lifting your plants to change water is a problem. You would need to add a "fill and drain" pump somewhere along the system as it is.

by week 10 or 12 you wont want to be lifting and holding 2 ? plants even, while you change water.

If this is your first grow...I say start with soil. (the 1000w lights are overkill for 2 plants.) hps 250 would suffice.

It's difficult enough first learning about the plant, skilled hydro ...more so.

imho.
See I was going to use a 30 gallon tote tub and was thinking of drilling a hole in the side of it Like You know on water coolers they have the side plug that u push down on and it drains? But I Was going to put something like that in there with some aquarium silicone and run a hose off it to a another 30 gallon tote and when it needed to be drained open the valve up and let it drain.
Also about the roots going into the pump I was planning on putting a screen on both the pump and the exit system to avoid pulling the roots in.
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I'd look for a simpler method.

Hempy buckets are a technique with no moving parts- you do the watering by hand but apart from that it's like hydro. It's very simple.
The only thing I can think of against hempy buckets for just 2 plants is if you will be away from the plants longer than 3 days (you need to water them at least that often).

Bubbler systems work well and are easy to make/run.

Having one reservoir with the plants sitting in the top is problematic if you need to move the plants or drain the tank. A lot of systems have a separate reservoir for this reason.
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I'd look for a simpler method.

Hempy buckets are a technique with no moving parts- you do the watering by hand but apart from that it's like hydro. It's very simple.
The only thing I can think of against hempy buckets for just 2 plants is if you will be away from the plants longer than 3 days (you need to water them at least that often).

Bubbler systems work well and are easy to make/run.

Having one reservoir with the plants sitting in the top is problematic if you need to move the plants or drain the tank. A lot of systems have a separate reservoir for this reason.
Ok.
I just watched the Mr Green Video on youtube.... WoW...... I like his setup and thats prob how Im going to do it. Plant Tray filled with clay pebbles and have the plants in big rock wool cubes. See I Want a Automatic Hydro System and I like the way Mr Green Has his setup
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I just watched the Mr Green Video on youtube.... WoW...... I like his setup and thats prob how Im going to do it.
That's the guy who has coloured his skin green?

If it's the same vid I've seen that should work.

There's a fair bit of diy involved.
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That's the guy who has coloured his skin green?

If it's the same vid I've seen that should work.

There's a fair bit of diy involved.
yea me n my father are good at DIY projects and before u say FATHER???? Im 23 and he is going on 58 He is a old ass hippy lol and he has grown weed before.
But Thank You all for your help and One more question for u mr farmer dude lol.
I saw that setup and the Plant tray he uses is only like 5 inches deep well it still grow huge roots masses? And will it affect how big the buds would be? Because I herd a rumor were more roots=bigger and more buds Is that true?
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One more question for u mr farmer dude lol.
I saw that setup and the Plant tray he uses is only like 5 inches deep well it still grow huge roots masses? And will it affect how big the buds would be? Because I herd a rumor were more roots=bigger and more buds Is that true?
I can't remember how he has his plants set up exactly but you have to experiment a little to find the optimum plant size in a given set up.

More roots is better for sure.
But they are only one among a number of factors that determine ideal plant size.
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