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Old 06-24-2011, 04:31 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Red face Ja Wanna make your own Feminized Seeds?? (Colloidal Silver)

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Why do you want feminized seeds?


When growing regular cannabis and trying to produce seeds, the resulting seedlings end up being about 50% male and 50% female. This can be a big disadvantage for the cannabis grower because male marijuana plants do not produce very much THC or other psychoactive cannabinoids. Therefore, when growing cannabis indoors, most growers will throw away all male cannabis plants as soon as they're discovered.

Another problem with male cannabis plants is that they can accidentally pollinate your female cannabis plants which will cause them to concentrate on making seeds instead of making sinsemilla. Sinsemilla is the term for cannabis flowers/buds that doesn't contain seeds. Dried sinsemilla is what most growers are trying to produce when growing cannabis.

Identifying and removing male cannabis plants can be a bit of a pain and male plants also take up precious space in the grow room until their gender becomes apparent when they are forced to start flowering. So what can you do? If you create feminized cannabis seeds, then all the resulting plants will be female and you never have to worry about males again.


How it Works


The main method used to create feminized seeds is to take a known female cannabis plant and force her to grow male pollen sacs and produce pollen. You can then take this all-female pollen and use it to fertilize other females. Because all the genetic material comes from females, you will end up with seeds that are at 99% female. So far for me it's worked 100% of the time. Any male plants that do result when growing feminized seeds are probably genetic females that are growing with male characteristics.

There are several processes by which female plants will grow male characteristics. Some female cannabis plants will start growing male organs if they are left in flowering for too long, as a last ditch attempt to pollinate themselves since they were not pollinated by any male plants. Some female plants will also show male characteristics as a result of heat and light stress. But for the grower, the most convenient way to get a female cannabis plant to make pollen is to treat her with a solution known as colloidal silver.

Below I will first explain how to make feminized Cannabis Seeds using colloidal silver, then I'll briefly explain the all-natural rodelization method, which is an all natural though less reliable way to get feminized seeds.
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Use Colloidal Silver Spray to Make Feminized Cannabis Seeds Like the Seed Banks Do


Pros:

You're able to produce feminized seeds using any two female cannabis planst (even clone-only strains!)
You can produce seeds consistently
You can control how many seeds produced
Easy to make hundreds of feminized seeds if needed
Cons:

You will need to find a source of colloidal silver which well be used to soray the cannabis plants as they start flowering. Your main options are: buying colloidal silver directly, buying a colloidal silver generator, or making your own simple colloidall silver generator yourself (instructions below)
It is not safe to directly use/consume any cannabis which has come into contact with colloidal silver, though any seeds produced by a treated plant's pollen are 100% safe. Some space-starved pot farmers will use the colloidal silver to spray just the bottom branch of a cannabis plant so they can still smoke/use the rest of the cannabis buds. You can definitely do this, just be extremely careful not to get any colloidal silver spray on any part of the cannabis that you will be consuming.
When a female cannabis plant is treated with a solution of tiny silver particles suspended in distilled water, the plant will start to exhibit male characteristics. This solution of silver in water is called colloidal silver and can be purchased from a pharmacy/online or easily made at home. Some people drink colloidal silver for its health benefits and others use it occasionally on plants to help control bacteria, insect, and fungus growth on the leaves.

However, if you thoroughly mist a female cannabis plant with colloidal silver every day for 10-14 days around the same time that she enters the flowering stage, the concentration of silver ions in the water actually act as an ethylene inhibitor/antagonist on the plant, which forces the plant to create male pollen sacs instead of female buds. The safest way to ensure that your plants will actually turn into males is to keep misting the plants until you see the beginning of male pollen sacs forming. If growing indoors, you start misting the cannabis with colloidal silver when you first change the lights to 12-12, and keep misting her daily until the treated parts start showing male pollen sacs.

You need to let the sacs swell like a big empty balloon. You will be able to tell when they are about to open because the leaf section protecting the pollen starts to crack. At this point, simply take the pollen sacs off and place them in a cool dry place for a week and let them start to dry. The pollen will come out if you shake them about a little, or you can also cut open the sacs to get to the pollen inside. Use this pollen to pollinate female plants and you will get all-female seeds that are a mix of both their mothers.

This method is great because it will force almost any cannabis plant to show male characteristics. Unlike the rodelization method described below, you are not selecting for plants that show hermaphrodite traits. The genes of the plant are completely unaffected. This method will also produce a lot of pollen consistently compared to the rodelization method.

The one downside to this method is that it is not safe to use any cannabis that has come into direct contact with colloidal silver. You should therefore destroy the plant after the pollen has been collected. You will also want to ensure that you clean off any remaining traces of silver off your equipment in case you accidentally contaminate another cannabis plant with silver.
Here are the main things to keep in mind when using colloidal silver spray method:

Make sure you spray the cannabis with a strong enough colloidal silver solution (at least 30 PPM of silver)
Spray the cannabis thoroughly to almost drench all the parts you want to turn into pollen sacs
Spray the cannabis regularly, at least once a day for 10-14 days, starting when you change the lights to 12-12
Spray the cannabis with colloidal silver every day until you see signs of male pollen sacs forming. Some hardy strains may need over 2-3 weeks spraying before they 'turn'.
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How to Make Feminized Cannabis Seeds Using Rodelization


Pros:

All-Natural
Very Simple

Cons:

Unreliable
May not produce many feminized seeds
The Rodelization method is all-natural and is the simplest method to create feminized seeds, but it is also unreliable and may not produce much pollen. Basically, the premise is that some female marijuana plants will start growing male pollen sacs / sex organs if they've been left in flowering too long (past the peak point of harvest). This is a last-ditch attempt by the marijuana plant to pollinate itself so that it at least produces a few seeds. You can collect these male pods and use the pollen inside them to pollinate other female plants. You pollinate female plants by evenly covering their buds with the pollen after they've been in flowering for 2-3 weeks. Females that are pollinated in this way will start growing all-female marijuana seeds. If you're very careful, you can pollinate only some of the buds on a plant which will produce seeds, and leave other buds alone so they can still be used for consumption.

This issue with this method is that some strains of plants never seem to grow male characteristics naturally. Additionally, with this method, you're selecting for plants that have a natural genetic tendency to show male characteristics. This can possibly produce offspring that are more likely to show male characteristics themselves which may or may not be what you're going for. Lastly, even when you do get male pollen sacs from a marijuana plant in this way, there tends to be a lot less pollen than from a typical male plant.

The one great thing about this method is it's completely all-natural so you can implement this strategy with an organic grow.
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How to produce feminized marijuana seeds (“Rodelization”)

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Creating feminized marijuana seeds is an art, there are a few different methods of application. I have written about some of my different methods of making cannabis seeds in previous HIGH TIMES articles. I have use gibberellic acid, light stress, ph stress, and fertilizer stress to force my plants to make marijuana seeds. All these methods are harsh on the plants, and some like the gibbrellic acid, are not organic. In my search for cleaner more earth-friendly ways of working with the cannabis plant, I have found a new way to make feminized cannabis seeds.

Feminized seeds occur as a result of stress, other than genetics. All cannabis plants can and will make male flowers under stress. Certain strains like a higher PH, some like a lower one. Some like a lot of food, some like a lot less. There is quite a lot of variety in marijuana genetics, and you can’t treat every plant the same way.

It takes many harvests before you really get to know a particular strain. Just like getting to know human friends, it takes time. I have grown strains for a decade and am truly getting to know every nuance the different plants exhibit. I can recognize them from a distance. I must say that I get a lot of help from my friends, both in making marijuana seeds and learning new and better ways of working with this sacred plant.

I named this new method “Rodelization” after a friend who helped me realize and make use of this way of creating female cannabis seeds. After growing crop after crop of the same plant in the same conditions, I noticed that if I flowered the plants 10-14 days longer than usual, they would develop male “bananas”. A male banana is a very slight male flower on a female marijuana plant that is formed because of stress. Usually they do not let out any pollen early enough to make marijuana seeds, but they sometimes do. They are a built in safety factor so in case of sever conditions, the plant can make sure that the species is furthered.

To me a male banana is quite a beautiful thing. It has the potential of making all female pot seeds. Many growers out there have male banana phobia. They see one and have heart palpitations, they want to cut down the entire crop or at least take tweezers and pluck the little yellow emerging devices out. I call them “Emergency Devices” because they emerge at times of stress.

In the Rodelization method, the male banana is very valuable. After growing your female plant 10-14 days longer than usual, hang them up to dry, then carefully take them off the drying lines and inspect for bananas. Each and every banana should be removed and placed in a small bag labeled very accurately. These sealed bags can be placed in the fridge for one to two months and still remain potent.

For the second phase you need to already have a crop that’s already 2 ½ weeks into flowering. Take your sealed bag of pollen out of the fridge, and proceed to impregnate your new crop of females. To do this, you must first match the female plant and the pollen from the same strain in the previous crop. Shut down all the fans in the grow room. Then take a very fine paint brush, dip it in the bag of pollen, and paint it on the female flower. Do this to each different strain you have growing together. I have done it with ten different kinds in the same room with great success.

I use the lower flowers to make weed seeds, leaving the top colas seedless for smoking. This method takes time(two crops), but is completely organic and lets you have great quality smoke at the same time you make your female cannabis seeds. If you’re one of those growers that has never grown marijuana seeds for fear of not having something good to smoke, you will love this method.

You can also use this pollen to make new female crosses by cross pollinating. The older females with the bananas can be brought into the room with the younger, un-pollinated females when they are three weeks into flowering. Turn all of the circulation fans on high, and the little bits of pollen will proceed to make it around the room. Do this for several days. Six to seven weeks later you will have ripe 100% female seeds; not nearly as many as a male plant would make, but enough to start over somewhere else with the same genetics.
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That's wicked cool, thanks for the info. I've been officially retired for quite a while but this is a serious temptation. My friend will hopefully have a fair amount of small outdoor plants this year (just planted), so maybe we'll try this on one!
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If I take one of my outdoor plants right when she starts flowering and use the colloidal silver spray, will I have pollen ready to use on another female from the same outdoor crop, or will I be too late in the flowering?
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will I have pollen ready to use on another female from the same outdoor crop,
that's the real question for growing outdoors and using the silver magic....indoors the grower doesn't have this 'problem'...but say you've started spraying an early variety..and she's already started flowering....and yer planning on pollenating ...something that flowers a tad later...then it'll work...i've got some pics to show as an example...but we'll hafta wait till we get the new server up and running properly.

then there's the question of how long the pollen stays viable...
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I've read that you can get colloidal silver just by putting a strand of jeweler's wire in water, I'm pretty sure its in the cannabis grow bible
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then there's the question of how long the pollen stays viable...
Storing it dry is very important (esp when freezing)- rice can be used in the container for this.

Seems no one can keep it viable for more than a few months, even with freezing. Would be very cool if it was possible to keep it for a year.

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I've read that you can get colloidal silver just by putting a strand of jeweler's wire in water, I'm pretty sure its in the cannabis grow bible
You need electrical current between two pieces of silver in water.
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I imagine measuring the concentration of home-made colloidal silver is no simple task, is there any damage done by over-spraying the silver solution?

Also, isn't finding a XX female an important part of femenization? I thought you needed a XX to do it right

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I imagine measuring the concentration of home-made colloidal silver is no simple task, is there any damage done by over-spraying the silver solution?
I imagine as the concentration of silver in the water increases the rate of uptake drops off. So you might have to exponentiate the time to double the concentration. I haven't heard there is any hideous effect from high dosing colloidal silver, it is hazardous anyway so you should be taking proper precautions anyway.

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Also, isn't finding a XX female an important part of femenization? I thought you needed a XX to do it right
True females, if they exist, are very few and far between.
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* note to self----

Boy...oh Boy! Is that pollen ever...'Silky' to the touch....
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