Learning247

Hello everyone,

I am new here, learning, obviously I had a quick question. Can I take a clone and make that clone the "Mommy" plant? Any help is much appreciated.

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Learning247

farmergiles

Yes.

You can do this pretty much indefinitely.

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Learning247

Farmergiles,

Thanks for the quick reply. I heard cloning, clones is a bad idea. I just wanted to make sure what I was planning on doing wouldn't cause any "genetic drift" and form mutations and undesirable growth.

I am just taking a clone and then using it as the mommy so I guess in my case it's all good.

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Mafoo

as long as you arent trying to breed succesive generations from the same mother, you probably wont run into any problems. genetic drift for a breeder can actually be a good thing, so long as you arent losing valuable traits like potency or yeild.

another problem with creating a clonal population is susceptiblity to diseases and pests. again, i dont think this would become a problem unless you are running a large breeding operation.

correct me if im wrong FG

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farmergiles

Cloning clones is fine IMO, probably a better idea than keeping a mother plant for a long time- new growth is good.

Genetic drift is just as likely either way, I wouldn't worry about it too much unless you're planning on keeping a plant for tens of years...

I think nobody at present understands the exact mechanism of how the phenotype and genotype of cannabis changes if plants are kept alive for long periods of time.

If you did want to keep a plant for decades then genetic drift is a concern but no one is really sure how to prevent it or if it can be prevented.
In any case, try not to neglect mother plants, if they are stressed or if they contract pests or disease this can cause permanent damage.

There is no more likelihood of disease with a rooted clone than a seed plant as far as I am aware.
Fresh cuttings are fairly weakly but this isn't too much of a problem if you have a good cloning technique.

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mothernature

There is a phenomena in nature where a branch mutates into a different form than the rest of the plant. It's called a 'sport'. If cuttings or clones are taken from the sport, they will be like the sport, not like the rest of the plant. I think this is considered a mutation.

I've only heard of this happening in trees though, and never in canna, so I think you're safe there.

I also agree with FG, that the clones would not be more susceptible to disease and pests, after all, they are exact duplicates.

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Mafoo

thats sort of what im saying, you have identical clones with the same genome and therefore same level of susceptibility to the same factors. meaning if you have 1xxxx plants, you could lose them all if your space gets infected by mites or w/e factor the clones genes make them weak at defending against.

i think that would only really be a problem in a large scale grow where its harder to give each plant alot of attention when needed.

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Learning247

Wow, thanks alot for your input guys, I really appricate it!

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msicidron

i like ur name bro

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THANKS!

slunt

Growers in BC use two different cloning methods to sustain their crop schedules.
One way is to have one or two or more, very large mother plants of which 1/4 to 1/3 of the plant is used to make clones for a crop. Over cloning the mother(Chopping off branches) causes huge stress and takes a long time to recover or can kill the mother.Therefore 1/4 to 1/3 of the plant is utilized at one time and the rest is used next time and the time after. Follow me?
These mothers must be kept in a separate room as their light schedule is different than that of flowering plants. Generally 24 hour light is kept on the mothers to encourage constant growth. You will need a dedicated 400,600 or even 1000 watt bulb for proper lumen penetration (Lumen=light energy). Sea of green growers use this method to have a constant supply of clones.
The second way is that a week before the vegetative plants have their light reduced, all are topped and cloned. They are given a week to recover and the top middle shoot now branches into two shoots.(reduces height and increases width). These new "babies" can be put in a tray and placed under cfl"s while they develop roots.
Much less room is needed and much less power,and far cheaper lights are required.People who have one room, and use crop rotation cycles, use this method.
Of course extra clones can be made and offered for sale to friends. Many people now specialize in clones and plant types and can offer a wide variety of brand names for sale.With a decent barn or large garage they can put out 30,000 clones per month with a very low energy bill, reduced heat signature and no smell. Far safer and easier to establish than a full grow op.
Hope this helps
slunt

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