Ph and Secondary Minerals

Forestnorthwest · 11-04-2011, 08:49 PM

I am a newer grower and would like some advise from someone who has been growing for a long time. If you are not an experienced grower please DO NOT post.

I have a plant that is 4 weeks old as of 11/5/11 from seed.
I believe I have discovered 2 pistils on the lower legs showing me her gender.
I Then decided to transplant her into a larger pot. This went horribly bad, I flipped the 1gal pot upside down, gave it a small tap and slid the pot off of the soil. It crumbled! I immediately flipped it over and gently tucked her into the new pot. and filled the new potting soil around her and made sure she had lots of stem support, but she was leaning just a bit because of the insta-transplant. I am not sure if her root system was disturbed but I think it was.

I checked on her 12 hours later, she was fine, again 12 hours later and she is straightening herself back vertical

I am thinking happy thoughts but will she be ok?

PH
The new soil I am using is a bit more acidic then the soil she was in. The soil she WAS in read in at a PH of 6.5 to 6.75. The potting soil read in at 5 while in the bag. When I tested the soil today in the new pot it tested 6.5 in 3 different locations. Here are my PH questions:

1) Could the soil from the transplant change the new soil's PH?
2) With no problems so far, should I try to raise the PH if it is that close to 7 already?
3) I am using 16oz bottles for mixing solutions. How much lime should I use to raise the PH of my 3gal pot of soil that is testing at 6 to 6.5 PH?

Secondary Minerals
I am using the Marijuana Growers Bible. In there it says that secondary nutrients are important and that Mg is the usual suspect of deficiency. It says to use Epsom Salt 1 rounded spoonful in 3gal of water so I put 1/4 teaspoon in a 16oz bottle and mixed it but I have not added it yet. I am using Alaska 5-1-1 fish fertilizer.

Here are my Secondary Mineral questions:

1) I have two leaves with on tiny spot of yellow on each. They are the first spade leaves the plant produced. Is that a sign of a nutrient deficiency?
2) Should I add the Epsom Salt Solution to my soil and when?

Thank you in advance for your expert growing advice.

**SageTree** · 11-04-2011, 08:55 PM

Welcome to Yahooka, you came to the right spot.

Forestnorthwest · 11-04-2011, 08:59 PM

Thank you. I am hoping to make some knowledgeable friends here

fenderbender · 11-05-2011, 01:04 AM

you sound like you worry too much.

It is a very hardy plant. Chances are you will fuck it up more by trying to "fix" it than just letting it be.

Dont over react and give your plant a bunch of nutes just because of two little spots.
Im sure your plant will be fine from a slightly rough transfer.

Give her enough light, good air circulation, and just enough nutes and youre golden.

TBH tho no one will really be able to tell you anything about nute deficiency without pics

**mothernature** · 11-05-2011, 04:02 AM

Hi there. Welcome!!!

Those little pistil like things you see are most likely not pistils. Honestly, I forgot the name of them. Some type of leaves. Pics would be helpful.

When transplanting, it's a good idea to water first. It helps hold everything together.

Water has a PH level of it's own, so it can alter the PH of your grow medium (soil).

Don't mess with the PH or secondary nutrients at this time. The PH is fine and using soil, you probably already have all the secondary nutrients needed. You can easily overdose it with too much.

I have to agree with bendy, I think you're worrying a tad too much. Don't love her to death!

farmergiles · 11-05-2011, 04:45 AM

1- Depends on the pH of the old and new soils
2- pH 6.5 is good, I wouldn't mess with that.
3- Depends on your water and the lime you are using.
TBH your pH in the soil sounds like it is fine, as long as you keep feeding them water/nutes/whatever around pH 6.5 then things should be A OK for pH.

About the Epsom Salts- probably not totally necessary just yet but there is no harm in giving them a little taste early. Pics would help us identify any deficiencies..

1/4 of a teaspoon in 16 oz of water is a little too strong, there are 128 US oz in a US gallon (I think

) so 1/4 tsp per 16 oz is 2 tsp per gallon. Check this calculation for yourself.
So dilute the epsom salts with another 1/3 gallon of water or something.

Bobbito Blaze · 11-05-2011, 06:44 AM

Yea don't worry about the transplant you need to be carefully not to dEsteoy or really injur any thing but the plant is fine your ph of 6.5 is great if its a little low first check the ph of your water that will fluctuate your ph more so then soil also you don't need trace minerals all they time they go in maybe two to three time threw the grOw depends on strain also if your using tap wAter you may have trace minerals there more for water lacking those minerals or if you use RO. The biggest problem pepole with no exp. With hydro is they buy random nutes and don't know how to dose or qhen that's why you need to go with Fox farm or botanicare or something similar that has a complete cycle schedule from seed to harvest it tells you how much and when of what to dose the grow solution hast a higher N bloom has more p and pre harvest has more k so the Plant gets exact what when it needs also to raise or lower Ph I use the little bottles of ph up or down you can get at any pet store by the fish section works great and fast few drops in water done deal much safer then lime also you can use lemon jive rain water both better then lime

Forestnorthwest · 11-05-2011, 10:20 AM

I might have sounded a bit worried because I was, after reading your posts I feel much better now

Thank you all very much.

Here is a pic. The yellow spot is on the leaf pointing up at the top of the page (the only one with glare lol). The spot is not visible but this will give you an idea of what the plant looks like right now.

fenderbender · 11-07-2011, 06:39 AM

HOLY SHIT! SHE IS GONNA DIE ANY MOMENT! WHAT DID YOU DO?!?!?

lol j/king, lookin just fine man.

farmergiles · 11-07-2011, 08:25 AM

Yeah, looks healthy to me.

11-04-2011, 08:49 PM	#1 (permalink)
Forestnorthwest NW Grower Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: WA, USA Posts: 5 Thanks: 8 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Ph and Secondary Minerals I am a newer grower and would like some advise from someone who has been growing for a long time. If you are not an experienced grower please DO NOT post. I have a plant that is 4 weeks old as of 11/5/11 from seed. I believe I have discovered 2 pistils on the lower legs showing me her gender. I Then decided to transplant her into a larger pot. This went horribly bad, I flipped the 1gal pot upside down, gave it a small tap and slid the pot off of the soil. It crumbled! I immediately flipped it over and gently tucked her into the new pot. and filled the new potting soil around her and made sure she had lots of stem support, but she was leaning just a bit because of the insta-transplant. I am not sure if her root system was disturbed but I think it was. I checked on her 12 hours later, she was fine, again 12 hours later and she is straightening herself back vertical I am thinking happy thoughts but will she be ok? PH The new soil I am using is a bit more acidic then the soil she was in. The soil she WAS in read in at a PH of 6.5 to 6.75. The potting soil read in at 5 while in the bag. When I tested the soil today in the new pot it tested 6.5 in 3 different locations. Here are my PH questions: 1) Could the soil from the transplant change the new soil's PH? 2) With no problems so far, should I try to raise the PH if it is that close to 7 already? 3) I am using 16oz bottles for mixing solutions. How much lime should I use to raise the PH of my 3gal pot of soil that is testing at 6 to 6.5 PH? Secondary Minerals I am using the Marijuana Growers Bible. In there it says that secondary nutrients are important and that Mg is the usual suspect of deficiency. It says to use Epsom Salt 1 rounded spoonful in 3gal of water so I put 1/4 teaspoon in a 16oz bottle and mixed it but I have not added it yet. I am using Alaska 5-1-1 fish fertilizer. Here are my Secondary Mineral questions: 1) I have two leaves with on tiny spot of yellow on each. They are the first spade leaves the plant produced. Is that a sign of a nutrient deficiency? 2) Should I add the Epsom Salt Solution to my soil and when? Thank you in advance for your expert growing advice. Last edited by Forestnorthwest; 11-04-2011 at 08:55 PM.

11-04-2011, 08:55 PM	#2 (permalink)
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11-05-2011, 04:02 AM	#5 (permalink)
mothernature ancientbongmaster Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Kentucky Posts: 1,232 Thanks: 1,201 Thanked 809 Times in 487 Posts	Hi there. Welcome!!! Those little pistil like things you see are most likely not pistils. Honestly, I forgot the name of them. Some type of leaves. Pics would be helpful. When transplanting, it's a good idea to water first. It helps hold everything together. Water has a PH level of it's own, so it can alter the PH of your grow medium (soil). Don't mess with the PH or secondary nutrients at this time. The PH is fine and using soil, you probably already have all the secondary nutrients needed. You can easily overdose it with too much. I have to agree with bendy, I think you're worrying a tad too much. Don't love her to death! __________________ Sometimes sleep is the best revenge- Luke

11-05-2011, 04:45 AM	#6 (permalink)
farmergiles Yahookan Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Sick of the hatred and the lies Posts: 7,807 Thanks: 2,285 Thanked 3,750 Times in 2,554 Posts	1- Depends on the pH of the old and new soils 2- pH 6.5 is good, I wouldn't mess with that. 3- Depends on your water and the lime you are using. TBH your pH in the soil sounds like it is fine, as long as you keep feeding them water/nutes/whatever around pH 6.5 then things should be A OK for pH. About the Epsom Salts- probably not totally necessary just yet but there is no harm in giving them a little taste early. Pics would help us identify any deficiencies.. 1/4 of a teaspoon in 16 oz of water is a little too strong, there are 128 US oz in a US gallon (I think ) so 1/4 tsp per 16 oz is 2 tsp per gallon. Check this calculation for yourself. So dilute the epsom salts with another 1/3 gallon of water or something. __________________ Cultivate a stoic calmness *Fuck the Monkeys* Every Kind of Vice

11-05-2011, 10:20 AM	#8 (permalink)
Forestnorthwest NW Grower Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: WA, USA Posts: 5 Thanks: 8 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	I might have sounded a bit worried because I was, after reading your posts I feel much better now Thank you all very much. Here is a pic. The yellow spot is on the leaf pointing up at the top of the page (the only one with glare lol). The spot is not visible but this will give you an idea of what the plant looks like right now. Last edited by Forestnorthwest; 11-05-2011 at 03:21 PM.

11-04-2011, 08:59 PM	#3 (permalink)
Forestnorthwest NW Grower Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: WA, USA Posts: 5 Thanks: 8 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Thank you. I am hoping to make some knowledgeable friends here

11-05-2011, 06:44 AM	#7 (permalink)
Bobbito Blaze YaHookan Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 166 Thanks: 2 Thanked 62 Times in 51 Posts	Yea don't worry about the transplant you need to be carefully not to dEsteoy or really injur any thing but the plant is fine your ph of 6.5 is great if its a little low first check the ph of your water that will fluctuate your ph more so then soil also you don't need trace minerals all they time they go in maybe two to three time threw the grOw depends on strain also if your using tap wAter you may have trace minerals there more for water lacking those minerals or if you use RO. The biggest problem pepole with no exp. With hydro is they buy random nutes and don't know how to dose or qhen that's why you need to go with Fox farm or botanicare or something similar that has a complete cycle schedule from seed to harvest it tells you how much and when of what to dose the grow solution hast a higher N bloom has more p and pre harvest has more k so the Plant gets exact what when it needs also to raise or lower Ph I use the little bottles of ph up or down you can get at any pet store by the fish section works great and fast few drops in water done deal much safer then lime also you can use lemon jive rain water both better then lime

11-07-2011, 08:25 AM	#10 (permalink)
farmergiles Yahookan Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Sick of the hatred and the lies Posts: 7,807 Thanks: 2,285 Thanked 3,750 Times in 2,554 Posts	Yeah, looks healthy to me. __________________ Cultivate a stoic calmness *Fuck the Monkeys* Every Kind of Vice

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