tidbit about auto-flowerers

profit · 12-10-2011, 03:29 AM

when planting your bean, do so once.

meaning-
plant the seed in the container in which it will live its entire life.
do not transplant auto-flower beans.

auto-flowering beans will grow in size according to the potential of their medium.

so-
if you plant the bean in a small cup enjoy the 1/8 that comes out of it. lol.
as opposed to a proper yield from a 5gal bucket or a hydro setup.

live and learn

then tell others so they dont fuck it up too.

headsrnice · 12-10-2011, 05:42 AM

I'm in the process of working on some Double Diesel Ryders. Are you saying not to germinate them in paper towels and to just sow them directly into the their final pot and medium?

profit · 12-10-2011, 06:52 AM

No, germination can be done however you want just make sure you plant them in their final destination right off the bat.

headsrnice · 12-10-2011, 08:58 AM

Gotya, I totally have to agree with you. Did a couple in tiny buckets which turned out barely anything (6-7 inches tall, 3-5 grams/plant) and proved to be a complete waste of time. It is amazing how bigger they get and faster they grow. You can def increase your yield 5 or 10 fold with auto's by starting em off right.. I wouldn't reccomend growing 'em in small pots. Not even close to worth it!

profit · 12-10-2011, 09:46 AM

yeah i planted mine in a party cup...

needless to say it turned out to be a pathetic midget excuse of a ruderalis.

it was a freebee but still.. feels bad man, it was an auto ak, i wanted the bud. f.

headsrnice · 12-10-2011, 12:50 PM

I know man I was disappointed after doing them in bigger pots and seeing what could have been. Was yours a Lowryder #2 cross by chance?

Mine seems to be taking is sweet ole time gettin down to budding up after the pistils appeared. First experience with the Lowryder #2.

profit · 12-10-2011, 09:31 PM

yeah mine took a week or so from seeing pistils to the start of bud formation.

it was an auto ak.
G13 Labs Auto AK Feminized

Roach · 12-10-2011, 09:51 PM

many autoflower are a cross with lowryder.

profit · 12-11-2011, 02:58 AM

oh i didn't see that, im not sure if it is a cross but it is not lowryder#2.

still kind of pissed about it. party cup? ffs what was i thinking..

headsrnice · 12-11-2011, 02:52 PM

The lesson I also have learned from this experience is not to flower them with CFL's. Even allowing them to get huge, there is very little bud formation. The preflowers at the node and main stem came at 5-6 weeks after veg, more pistils emerging for the last about 2 weeks, not a large amount, but some. Very disapointing.

Have 2 200 watt/equiv 45-55 watt 2700k CFL's - hung with the buld sideways across the top

Have 1 200 watt/equiv 45-55 watt 5700k? CFL and 1 100 watt equiv/26 watt. Both placed on the inside between each.

Thinking of adding 3 more of the large CFL's around it? Eventually a 150 watt HPS and the CFL's as supplemental lighting. Anyone else done anything with these amount of watts (150-175 actual watts for a 2*2 space maybe 2.5*2.5)?

profit · 12-11-2011, 06:43 PM

head, i think it's going to be worthwhile to go right for the nuts and get the HPS for flowering.

mine was under a 240w blackstar led half the time and a 1000w hps the rest of the time. i speak of it in the past tense because it is already in the past for me because im not going to get jack shit off it. however- it is still growing lol it has a few weeks to go but i am sure the yeild will be 4g or less..

pretty much the only way i would flower under floro is if i had spare lights and spare room. t5 for mothers and clones and HID for everything else. jump on it.

Roach · 12-11-2011, 06:56 PM

low yields were common among early autoflowering strains.

there are so many cross strains/hybrids now, I'm not sure if it's still true.

but it used to be.

headsrnice · 12-12-2011, 02:40 PM

Yeah the flowering period has been a complete dissapointment. What I heard before purchasing the beans was that the Lowryder #2 was supposed to have better yields, etc than the original Lowryder. Not seeing it AT ALL. Def thinking a quick maturing under HID would be just about as quick with better yield and potency.

Did it seem the transition from veg to flowering went quickly? I started mine on 24/0 but have switched down to 18/6.

farmergiles · 12-12-2011, 03:07 PM

The light schedule almost certainly will affect the finishing time..

Roach · 12-12-2011, 03:54 PM

^ please explain again when and why dark times are important, If you would...(I'm on my way out the door.)

tia

headsrnice · 12-18-2011, 03:49 PM

The Double Diesel Ryders are now on 12/12. Went from 18/6 to 24/0 back to 18/6. Am wondering if these are totally autoflower? Been 7 weeks from seed already and while they are big for ruderalis-cross standards, flowering has came to a complete stop it seems. Wonder how much of a difference this will make?

12-10-2011, 03:29 AM	#1 (permalink)
profit restore the republic Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 1,255 Thanks: 818 Thanked 357 Times in 237 Posts	tidbit about auto-flowerers when planting your bean, do so once. meaning- plant the seed in the container in which it will live its entire life. do not transplant auto-flower beans. auto-flowering beans will grow in size according to the potential of their medium. so- if you plant the bean in a small cup enjoy the 1/8 that comes out of it. lol. as opposed to a proper yield from a 5gal bucket or a hydro setup. live and learn then tell others so they dont fuck it up too. __________________ Cowardice asks the question - is it safe? Expediency asks the question - is it politic? Vanity asks the question - is it popular? But conscience asks the question - is it right? And there comes a time when one must take a position that is neither safe, nor politic, nor popular; but one must take it because it is right. - Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. follow https://twitter.com/#!/curtiswm - sub http://www.youtube.com/user/66sicksfishstix

12-10-2011, 06:52 AM	#3 (permalink)
profit restore the republic Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 1,255 Thanks: 818 Thanked 357 Times in 237 Posts	No, germination can be done however you want just make sure you plant them in their final destination right off the bat. __________________ Cowardice asks the question - is it safe? Expediency asks the question - is it politic? Vanity asks the question - is it popular? But conscience asks the question - is it right? And there comes a time when one must take a position that is neither safe, nor politic, nor popular; but one must take it because it is right. - Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. follow https://twitter.com/#!/curtiswm - sub http://www.youtube.com/user/66sicksfishstix

12-10-2011, 09:46 AM	#5 (permalink)
profit restore the republic Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 1,255 Thanks: 818 Thanked 357 Times in 237 Posts	yeah i planted mine in a party cup... needless to say it turned out to be a pathetic midget excuse of a ruderalis. it was a freebee but still.. feels bad man, it was an auto ak, i wanted the bud. f. __________________ Cowardice asks the question - is it safe? Expediency asks the question - is it politic? Vanity asks the question - is it popular? But conscience asks the question - is it right? And there comes a time when one must take a position that is neither safe, nor politic, nor popular; but one must take it because it is right. - Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. follow https://twitter.com/#!/curtiswm - sub http://www.youtube.com/user/66sicksfishstix

12-10-2011, 09:31 PM	#7 (permalink)
profit restore the republic Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 1,255 Thanks: 818 Thanked 357 Times in 237 Posts	yeah mine took a week or so from seeing pistils to the start of bud formation. it was an auto ak. G13 Labs Auto AK Feminized __________________ Cowardice asks the question - is it safe? Expediency asks the question - is it politic? Vanity asks the question - is it popular? But conscience asks the question - is it right? And there comes a time when one must take a position that is neither safe, nor politic, nor popular; but one must take it because it is right. - Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. follow https://twitter.com/#!/curtiswm - sub http://www.youtube.com/user/66sicksfishstix

12-10-2011, 09:51 PM	#8 (permalink)
Roach Victoria Aut Mors Join Date: Dec 1999 Posts: 7,184 Thanks: 2,372 Thanked 1,987 Times in 1,509 Posts	many autoflower are a cross with lowryder. __________________ לזיין את הקופים

12-10-2011, 05:42 AM	#2 (permalink)
headsrnice YaHookan Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 323 Thanks: 274 Thanked 61 Times in 46 Posts	I'm in the process of working on some Double Diesel Ryders. Are you saying not to germinate them in paper towels and to just sow them directly into the their final pot and medium?

12-10-2011, 08:58 AM	#4 (permalink)
headsrnice YaHookan Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 323 Thanks: 274 Thanked 61 Times in 46 Posts	Gotya, I totally have to agree with you. Did a couple in tiny buckets which turned out barely anything (6-7 inches tall, 3-5 grams/plant) and proved to be a complete waste of time. It is amazing how bigger they get and faster they grow. You can def increase your yield 5 or 10 fold with auto's by starting em off right.. I wouldn't reccomend growing 'em in small pots. Not even close to worth it!

12-10-2011, 12:50 PM	#6 (permalink)
headsrnice YaHookan Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 323 Thanks: 274 Thanked 61 Times in 46 Posts	I know man I was disappointed after doing them in bigger pots and seeing what could have been. Was yours a Lowryder #2 cross by chance? Mine seems to be taking is sweet ole time gettin down to budding up after the pistils appeared. First experience with the Lowryder #2.

12-11-2011, 02:58 AM	#9 (permalink)
profit restore the republic Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 1,255 Thanks: 818 Thanked 357 Times in 237 Posts	oh i didn't see that, im not sure if it is a cross but it is not lowryder#2. still kind of pissed about it. party cup? ffs what was i thinking.. __________________ Cowardice asks the question - is it safe? Expediency asks the question - is it politic? Vanity asks the question - is it popular? But conscience asks the question - is it right? And there comes a time when one must take a position that is neither safe, nor politic, nor popular; but one must take it because it is right. - Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. follow https://twitter.com/#!/curtiswm - sub http://www.youtube.com/user/66sicksfishstix

12-11-2011, 02:52 PM	#10 (permalink)
headsrnice YaHookan Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 323 Thanks: 274 Thanked 61 Times in 46 Posts	The lesson I also have learned from this experience is not to flower them with CFL's. Even allowing them to get huge, there is very little bud formation. The preflowers at the node and main stem came at 5-6 weeks after veg, more pistils emerging for the last about 2 weeks, not a large amount, but some. Very disapointing. Have 2 200 watt/equiv 45-55 watt 2700k CFL's - hung with the buld sideways across the top Have 1 200 watt/equiv 45-55 watt 5700k? CFL and 1 100 watt equiv/26 watt. Both placed on the inside between each. Thinking of adding 3 more of the large CFL's around it? Eventually a 150 watt HPS and the CFL's as supplemental lighting. Anyone else done anything with these amount of watts (150-175 actual watts for a 22 space maybe 2.52.5)?

12-11-2011, 06:43 PM	#11 (permalink)
profit restore the republic Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 1,255 Thanks: 818 Thanked 357 Times in 237 Posts	head, i think it's going to be worthwhile to go right for the nuts and get the HPS for flowering. mine was under a 240w blackstar led half the time and a 1000w hps the rest of the time. i speak of it in the past tense because it is already in the past for me because im not going to get jack shit off it. however- it is still growing lol it has a few weeks to go but i am sure the yeild will be 4g or less.. pretty much the only way i would flower under floro is if i had spare lights and spare room. t5 for mothers and clones and HID for everything else. jump on it. __________________ Cowardice asks the question - is it safe? Expediency asks the question - is it politic? Vanity asks the question - is it popular? But conscience asks the question - is it right? And there comes a time when one must take a position that is neither safe, nor politic, nor popular; but one must take it because it is right. - Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. follow https://twitter.com/#!/curtiswm - sub http://www.youtube.com/user/66sicksfishstix

12-11-2011, 06:56 PM	#12 (permalink)
Roach Victoria Aut Mors Join Date: Dec 1999 Posts: 7,184 Thanks: 2,372 Thanked 1,987 Times in 1,509 Posts	low yields were common among early autoflowering strains. there are so many cross strains/hybrids now, I'm not sure if it's still true. but it used to be. __________________ לזיין את הקופים

12-12-2011, 02:40 PM	#13 (permalink)
headsrnice YaHookan Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 323 Thanks: 274 Thanked 61 Times in 46 Posts	Yeah the flowering period has been a complete dissapointment. What I heard before purchasing the beans was that the Lowryder #2 was supposed to have better yields, etc than the original Lowryder. Not seeing it AT ALL. Def thinking a quick maturing under HID would be just about as quick with better yield and potency. Did it seem the transition from veg to flowering went quickly? I started mine on 24/0 but have switched down to 18/6.

12-12-2011, 03:07 PM	#14 (permalink)
farmergiles Yahookan Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Sick of the hatred and the lies Posts: 7,807 Thanks: 2,285 Thanked 3,750 Times in 2,554 Posts	The light schedule almost certainly will affect the finishing time.. __________________ Cultivate a stoic calmness *Fuck the Monkeys* Every Kind of Vice

12-12-2011, 03:54 PM	#15 (permalink)
Roach Victoria Aut Mors Join Date: Dec 1999 Posts: 7,184 Thanks: 2,372 Thanked 1,987 Times in 1,509 Posts	^ please explain again when and why dark times are important, If you would...(I'm on my way out the door.) tia __________________ לזיין את הקופים

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12-18-2011, 03:49 PM	#16 (permalink)
headsrnice YaHookan Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 323 Thanks: 274 Thanked 61 Times in 46 Posts	The Double Diesel Ryders are now on 12/12. Went from 18/6 to 24/0 back to 18/6. Am wondering if these are totally autoflower? Been 7 weeks from seed already and while they are big for ruderalis-cross standards, flowering has came to a complete stop it seems. Wonder how much of a difference this will make?

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