Purchasing lights

headsrnice · 12-12-2011, 06:49 AM

Looking for a 150 or 250 watt HPS complete system. Don't really want to fuss around with wiring one up myself right now. If it was a HPS/MH system that would be a def plus. Also looking for a site with reliable/discreet shipping. I have found this

150 HPS Sun System COMPLETE KIT | HID Hut Inc.

That may be my price range for a bit. Anyone had or know of anyone with experience with this system? Even seen it for $80. Seems alright for the price?

headsrnice · 12-12-2011, 07:00 AM

Free or cheap shipping options also would be a plus

farmergiles · 12-12-2011, 09:22 AM

Ideally the ballast would be remote so you can position it outside of the growspace. This way the heat from the ballast is not cooking the plants.

Having said that, a 150w isn't going to give off that much heat.

Like you said HM, a ballast which can run sodium and metal halide would be ideal.

It's worth looking at hardware outlets as well as hydro shops, you might find a better price on something just as good.

Roach · 12-12-2011, 12:16 PM

ebay

stoneric · 12-12-2011, 02:01 PM

Sun System is usually good quality. I've bought multiple units from them and never had a stich of a problem. I don't think a 150W system comes with a remote ballast, but I could be wrong. The price isn't bad.

But if possible, go with a 250W. The difference is significant. You can grow much better smoke with a 250W.

Roach · 12-12-2011, 02:04 PM

150 watt hps | eBay

150 watt Sodium GROW LIGHT Ballast Bulb w Hood 150w HPS | eBay

Roach · 12-12-2011, 02:16 PM

ULTIMATE 250 watt HPS & MH GROW LIGHT SYSTEM 250w w sun | eBay

headsrnice · 12-12-2011, 02:33 PM

That 250 watt looks nice. I may be goin with something similar to that. I like the fact that it's switchable. Would help me save money in the long run. The whole purpose of this is so I can grow my medicine quicker, and with better yield and potency. The CFL's have greatly sucked for this. Would have saved money, time, and frustration just getting some HID lighting to start.

Any thoughts on how much a 150 or 250 watt would affect the temp of a 6*6*3 space and how much distance would needed to put between lights and plant tops?

Wouldn't be able to put an air intake system in at this point but while the lights are running the door the the closet will be open or at least partially cracked a foot or so. With the room I would be venting into I could use the window to create and outtake and intake exhaust using window fans. Have two small clamp fans at the moment to use. As it is, it stays about 60-70 degrees.

Also to my understanding HPS bulbs create less heat than MH. Not sure if this is a significant amount or not?

profit · 12-12-2011, 02:40 PM

depending on where you live or if you're ordering online i can speak to this shop they are legit and carry quality.
Indoor Garden Depot - Indoor Gardening and Hydroponic Shop

newegg.com > search "vminnovations" and "hydrofarm"
- cheap as fuck GH nutes
- cheap as fuck 600w digital lumitek HID (mh&hps) ballast 170.00$
- cheap as fuck t5 'easy panels'

craigslist.org < garden section fans filters general/whatever you can find

this is just my opinion but, fuck ebay.

Roach · 12-12-2011, 02:41 PM

A 250 watt anything will heat up a bit more than cfl's.

The option of adding a larger fan and using the hps/mh option would greatly increase your growth.

Light is such a major part of plant health/growth/potentcy.

And (2) lamps plus timer plus remote ballast...win win win.

now you just need to find the price that suites you.

farmergiles · 12-12-2011, 03:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by headsrnice

how much distance would needed to put between lights and plant tops?

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stoneric · 12-12-2011, 03:07 PM

You get what you pay for. I paid $275 for a 250 watt system. But it came with a high quality reflector with tempered glass and a swtchable digital ballast. Plus it came with fittings for air cooling. Eventually you want good shit and it cost a little more.

deadhead94 · 12-13-2011, 04:56 AM

I wouldn't go cheap on something that gets hot and is left on for hours every day.

Definitely stay away from cheap Chinese shit unless you really like fire fighters.

**~~janelyliu~~** · 12-13-2011, 05:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Roach

ULTIMATE 250 watt HPS & MH GROW LIGHT SYSTEM 250w w sun | eBay

hi buddy,sounds great.
LED lights have many cost saving advantages and are an extremely efficient way to grow indoors, but you have to get the right ones. Costs should be $2-3/watt and you should have a total of 300watts or more with either 1 light assembly or a combination of 90watt, 120watt and so on. If you get about 300-400watts of LED lighting, you can replace a 1000watt HPS or MH system. You will not need a ballast and you will not need to vent the heat from the light as LEDs emit a near zero heat signature. maybe it can help you!

farmergiles · 12-13-2011, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by janelyliu

LED lights have many cost saving advantages and are an extremely efficient way to grow indoors, but you have to get the right ones.

Which ones are the right ones?

Are there any documented grows to back up your claims?

headsrnice · 12-13-2011, 11:38 AM

Decided to go with a 150 watt HPS and a 250 watt HPS/MH. Both will be supplemented with approx. 175 actual watts of CFL for lower branch/side lighting. Hopefully it will be here sometime this week!!!

..also saw models with a water cooled option.. any better than air cooled?

headsrnice · 12-13-2011, 11:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by janelyliu

hi buddy,sounds great.
LED lights have many cost saving advantages and are an extremely efficient way to grow indoors, but you have to get the right ones. Costs should be $2-3/watt and you should have a total of 300watts or more with either 1 light assembly or a combination of 90watt, 120watt and so on. If you get about 300-400watts of LED lighting, you can replace a 1000watt HPS or MH system. You will not need a ballast and you will not need to vent the heat from the light as LEDs emit a near zero heat signature. maybe it can help you!

Before deciding on the HID lighting I took a long look at LED's. I've seen grows done with LED lighting with decent-to-good results. My main issues with them is the light penetration and initial cost at this point. I think they could be useful as supplemental lighting. Looks to be more efficient than CFL's, but again the cost is extremely high for a decent model.

I've also seen very poorly constructed models that claim to be grow lights but don't have the correct color spectrum.

Roach · 12-13-2011, 11:49 AM

Quote:

Which ones are the right ones?

Are there any documented grows to back up your claims?

the proof is in the actual grow results.
Which to date I have not seen, other than in ads and videos from the led manufacturers/vendors on you tube.
I haven't yet seen a successful grow setup using strictly light emitting diode arrays.

stoneric · 12-13-2011, 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by janelyliu

If you get about 300-400watts of LED lighting, you can replace a 1000watt HPS or MH system.

It'd be nice to see some proof. I keep hearing or reading about LEDs but I never see the actual pictures of any side by side comparison grows. Fuck, I'd love to go with LEDs but I need to see plants grown under them that look better than mine.

farmergiles · 12-13-2011, 10:37 PM

I've seen some successful LED grows.

But mostly small ones. A lot of the brightest LEDs have issues with cooling. Even with an ideal set up the penetration is not remotely comparable to HIDs.

So I'd be interested to see a grow with 400w of LEDs yielding like a 1k HID. Though for sure it is theoretically possible, maybe with a light mover and lots of very short plants or something.

Bear in mind that HID tech is improving too, some of the new digi ballasts are producing good PAR now, ceramic halide bulbs are being used to good advantage by growers now and Phillips are selling a new type of double ended HID bulb which is very efficient..

Also plasma induction lights..

So while LEDs have come on a bit recently I'm still not sure that they are necessarily the future of indoor lighting.

12-12-2011, 06:49 AM	#1 (permalink)
headsrnice YaHookan Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 323 Thanks: 274 Thanked 61 Times in 46 Posts	Purchasing lights Looking for a 150 or 250 watt HPS complete system. Don't really want to fuss around with wiring one up myself right now. If it was a HPS/MH system that would be a def plus. Also looking for a site with reliable/discreet shipping. I have found this 150 HPS Sun System COMPLETE KIT \| HID Hut Inc. That may be my price range for a bit. Anyone had or know of anyone with experience with this system? Even seen it for $80. Seems alright for the price?

12-12-2011, 09:22 AM	#3 (permalink)
farmergiles Yahookan Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Sick of the hatred and the lies Posts: 7,807 Thanks: 2,285 Thanked 3,750 Times in 2,554 Posts	Ideally the ballast would be remote so you can position it outside of the growspace. This way the heat from the ballast is not cooking the plants. Having said that, a 150w isn't going to give off that much heat. Like you said HM, a ballast which can run sodium and metal halide would be ideal. It's worth looking at hardware outlets as well as hydro shops, you might find a better price on something just as good. __________________ Cultivate a stoic calmness *Fuck the Monkeys* Every Kind of Vice

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12-12-2011, 07:00 AM	#2 (permalink)
headsrnice YaHookan Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 323 Thanks: 274 Thanked 61 Times in 46 Posts	Free or cheap shipping options also would be a plus

12-12-2011, 02:01 PM	#5 (permalink)
stoneric bougeman Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 5,646 Thanks: 704 Thanked 1,512 Times in 1,067 Posts	Sun System is usually good quality. I've bought multiple units from them and never had a stich of a problem. I don't think a 150W system comes with a remote ballast, but I could be wrong. The price isn't bad. But if possible, go with a 250W. The difference is significant. You can grow much better smoke with a 250W.

12-12-2011, 02:33 PM	#8 (permalink)
headsrnice YaHookan Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 323 Thanks: 274 Thanked 61 Times in 46 Posts	That 250 watt looks nice. I may be goin with something similar to that. I like the fact that it's switchable. Would help me save money in the long run. The whole purpose of this is so I can grow my medicine quicker, and with better yield and potency. The CFL's have greatly sucked for this. Would have saved money, time, and frustration just getting some HID lighting to start. Any thoughts on how much a 150 or 250 watt would affect the temp of a 663 space and how much distance would needed to put between lights and plant tops? Wouldn't be able to put an air intake system in at this point but while the lights are running the door the the closet will be open or at least partially cracked a foot or so. With the room I would be venting into I could use the window to create and outtake and intake exhaust using window fans. Have two small clamp fans at the moment to use. As it is, it stays about 60-70 degrees. Also to my understanding HPS bulbs create less heat than MH. Not sure if this is a significant amount or not?

12-12-2011, 02:40 PM	#9 (permalink)
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12-12-2011, 02:41 PM	#10 (permalink)
Roach Victoria Aut Mors Join Date: Dec 1999 Posts: 7,184 Thanks: 2,372 Thanked 1,987 Times in 1,509 Posts	A 250 watt anything will heat up a bit more than cfl's. The option of adding a larger fan and using the hps/mh option would greatly increase your growth. Light is such a major part of plant health/growth/potentcy. And (2) lamps plus timer plus remote ballast...win win win. now you just need to find the price that suites you. __________________ לזיין את הקופים

12-12-2011, 03:07 PM	#12 (permalink)
stoneric bougeman Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 5,646 Thanks: 704 Thanked 1,512 Times in 1,067 Posts	You get what you pay for. I paid $275 for a 250 watt system. But it came with a high quality reflector with tempered glass and a swtchable digital ballast. Plus it came with fittings for air cooling. Eventually you want good shit and it cost a little more.

12-13-2011, 11:38 AM	#16 (permalink)
headsrnice YaHookan Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 323 Thanks: 274 Thanked 61 Times in 46 Posts	Decided to go with a 150 watt HPS and a 250 watt HPS/MH. Both will be supplemented with approx. 175 actual watts of CFL for lower branch/side lighting. Hopefully it will be here sometime this week!!! ..also saw models with a water cooled option.. any better than air cooled? Last edited by headsrnice; 12-13-2011 at 11:45 AM. Reason: added ?

12-13-2011, 10:37 PM	#20 (permalink)
farmergiles Yahookan Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Sick of the hatred and the lies Posts: 7,807 Thanks: 2,285 Thanked 3,750 Times in 2,554 Posts	I've seen some successful LED grows. But mostly small ones. A lot of the brightest LEDs have issues with cooling. Even with an ideal set up the penetration is not remotely comparable to HIDs. So I'd be interested to see a grow with 400w of LEDs yielding like a 1k HID. Though for sure it is theoretically possible, maybe with a light mover and lots of very short plants or something. Bear in mind that HID tech is improving too, some of the new digi ballasts are producing good PAR now, ceramic halide bulbs are being used to good advantage by growers now and Phillips are selling a new type of double ended HID bulb which is very efficient.. Also plasma induction lights.. So while LEDs have come on a bit recently I'm still not sure that they are necessarily the future of indoor lighting. __________________ Cultivate a stoic calmness *Fuck the Monkeys* Every Kind of Vice

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