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Although the pH seems to be bouncing all around, your plants look great man. The pH problem is probably related to the buffering agent in the Coco getting screwed up somewhere down the line, and it could be due to many different things. If you are putting the nutrient solution in at between 5.8-6.2, you should be okay. Have you been monitoring the amount of runoff? It should be relatively substantial. You want a really good drain when you feed them, to flush all those salts out. Maybe their was excess salt build up that screwed up the runoff on the pH? But either way, it is still looking good.

Regarding the PK: What day of flower are your plants currently in? Like I said before, the PK should be added when flowering actually starts and proceeds to making buds. When you switch the light to 12/12, this doesn't mean that flowering has initiated. Therefore the PK should be added when the pistils are abundant and the flower itself is roughly the size of a dime. Then you should hit it with the Boost around the same time, and continue the Boost throughout. This has given me the best results and it is also what is recommended by Canna.

When it comes to bending, supercropping, trimming, etc: If done right, it can be extremely beneficial. Ideally it is better to do all of this before flowering is initiated, but can still of course be done during the flower period. You can, however, tie down/up branches into the places you want them without much stress to the plant, as long as it is not drastic. When it comes to trimming certain leaves to allow light to hit essential areas, I am all for it. Granted, the fan leaves are very important, but so are the buds. And with a plant that has an abundance of fan leaves, it can afford to have certain fan leaves cut out in order to produce proper flowers. I would not, however, trim the smaller leaves around the buds, as this is unnecessary.

And Boost is awesome, btw. Much better than plain molasses. It's not even comparable. I downplayed the significance of it for a long time, simply because of my money situation. But when I used it properly, the result was much, much better. I was just in denial due to the price of a liter, haha.


Here is a quick overview about CannaBoost: http://www.cannagardening.ca/cannabo...boost?page=0,1

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Regarding the PK: What day of flower are your plants currently in? Like I said before, the PK should be added when flowering actually starts and proceeds to making buds. When you switch the light to 12/12, this doesn't mean that flowering has initiated. [/QUOTE]

its day 35 12/12 today, but i started to use it around day 25 and there was some little bud about when i started. i was a bit scared that i would miss the correct time and seen other people had started early so put it in early.. they are the size of a dime now and starting to meet up the stem on the main cola. i was going to run right through this week and then maybe give them a good flush with quarter nutes and and put the feed back to normal.
i was thinking about the PH last night and the last few days i have had a fan heater which blows right down the middle of the plants when lights are out and it is the back most plants that are catching a bit of the heat and these ones seem to have gone up to 6.9 and 7 with the ph so maybe that is causing the issue. its a bit difficult to direct the heat anywhere else, but it is not a great heat that is catching the back plants but maybe drying the pots slightly over night and i am a bit unsure about giving a feed before lights out.

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hi guys looking for a quick answer, just went to put lights on and my 6oo watt hps will not come on, i can see the eelictric going through the bulb but it just want come on full, bit stressed here as i haven't got a spare.

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well managed to get them on after 3 hours of ranting and raving, (stressed as)
don't know how much harm this as caused them as the light was flickering and not coming plus i had a lamp up there which i had to use to see what i was doing, also the light on my phone at times. this was not continuous but more of here and there as i couldn't see what i was doing. Don't know what is wrong with the light but it did take 3 goes yesturday and a hell of a lot of attempts today. In the end i just kept shaking the bulb gently and it came on as i could see the electric going up and down the bulb but it seemed it just didn't have quite enough power to fully spark it up. the light is fairly new as this is the first grow so its def not the bulb. Any info would be great as i am dreading getting it back on tomorrow. On the up its gone from not putting lights on at 9 up to 12 so may do as i planned now and add the extra hour a day to get them running back through the night again to save on using the heater
ps my mate may have a spare light i can borrow just in case it happens again. was thinking would i be able to use the 2 in there or would it be to much 1200 watt in a 1.2 1.2 by 2 tent. also my lights are pretty close now as i have the fan blowing across the light taking the heat away. the back plants are about 12 " away to to the back of the light, although its close they is not getting a direct light, its more like 6" down from the plant but 12" away on an angle. may question is would this be bad for them but there is no leaf burn and the plants seem to be happy (the leaves pointing upwards) when ive seem them this way it seems they are happy to me.
i have taken the odd leaf of but only one or 2 a day and it doesn't seem to cause any stress on them at all but still most of them get bent down on a daily basis to let light in and they do come back up but are starting to stay down now
ps.i have also noticed something really odd which hasn't happened before, my water from tap ph is roughly 7.4 after putting the nutes in it comes down to 6.2 but lately when i get some bottles of feed ot go and feed them, for example the next day it may read 5.9 so i haven't really got to lower the ph and then the next day i open more bottles to feed it has dropped down to 5.4. this has never happened before and i always mix up about 5 or 6 days worth at a time. i don't know what is causing this but it has only seemed to be happening since i have been adding the pk and the molasses. I never noticed this before adding these and it was quite the opposite before as i would add the nute and it would bring the PH down and then the next day it would go back up but rather than go back up now it just keeps going down so i am not sure whether it is the molasses or the pk causing this

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the leaves i was thinking about are the leaves that come from the stems (sub colas) where the bud sites are, but have grown out about 4 or 5 inches from the stem not the little tiny ones which have the bud all around them. I have removed quite a few of them over the last few days and when removing i cut the leaf about an inch from where igt comes off the main stem.
i started the boost about 10 days into 12/12 i think, but wish i had started a bit later like you said as it is pretty expensive and that way i could have used at a fuller strength and i may not have enough towards the end after starting to early. Plus i really don't want to get anymore as ive spent £40 ish on 500 ml, wish i had bought the litre now for the same price, if i do get more it will be the litre and have some for the next grow at least

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jed

lookin gud mate theyre thriving
i had my bulb do that once-it was where the kettle plug enters the ballast from the 3 pin socket-the kettle plug wasnt plugged in properly-hope its that simple for u
it cud b a dodgy bulb-it was new when u started ur grow?bulbs are only gud for 1 grow due to it losing lumens over time?
if push cums to shove ull ave to cough for another unfortunately mate
all the best
jed

seansplace

Well they came on the yesturday after about 2 flickers, just hope they come on today. i got a spare just in case buts it may only be a 400, i am not sure. so if i get any more problems i may have to get a new one
thanks mate.

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stoneric

I use my bulbs for more than 1 grow. If you have a continuous grow you'll only put 4380 hours on your bulb in one year at 12 hours a day. That's less than half of how long they're supposed to last. Unless you're buying cheap ass bulbs, I'd use them for more than 1 grow.

seansplace

Thanks, to be honest i haven't got a clue what bulb is in there, just know it a HPS as it came with the ballast ans reflector and wasn't to expensive. What would be the best bulbs to buy as i am also thinking of getting a new hood ready for the summer months as it will get pretty hot up there.

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stoneric

I use Hortilux bulbs. There's a wide range of prices. I use the more expensive ones, I believe I paid around $80 for a 400W bulb. They have them for as cheap as $15.

farmergiles

I use Sylvania bulbs for hps and some cheap arse Chinese bulbs for MH.

Different bulbs work better with different ballasts.

Phillips make pretty good bulbs though they are more pricey.

You should get at least a couple of grows out of a bulb. If a bulb shows visible degredation (like burnt bits) best replace it.

There is an argument to buy cheap bulbs and replace them more often..

In any case bulbs will start to degrade after about a year if used for flower or less than a year if used for vegging.

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Hi guys, was just after a bit of info on when to start the flush. i have read that this strain goes for ten weeks, so does that mean i use nutes for the ten weeks then flush for another two weeks or stop feeding at 8 and flush for 2??

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farmergiles

Stop feeding at 8, flush for two then harvest is how I'd read it. You can do it gradually rather than all at once.

Though the finishing times quoted by seed manufacturers are often a little optimistic..

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Thanks FG, they haven't really fattened up yet although they are getting there it seems to be slow. I will try to get some pics up later for you to take a look. they may have been slow joining up to each node due to me taking a few leaves off on a daily basis. I done it this way not to put to much stress on them, but all in all they have had loads taken off them now and still it is a struggle to get light through lol, God there was loads of leaves on there. the big fan leaves on the main stem are still there except for the lower ones that where getting feed and the fan heater blowing them they turned colour.
it seems now that a lot of the sub colas, the top buds are starting to join up with the next ones down (about 4") but haven't joined with the lower ones yet. As for the main colas two have joined all the way and starting to fatten a bit. one is almost there and one not far behind. The other that i always said was more airy (light getting through) hasn't really got a main cola but the sub coals seem to be a lot bigger (longer) so lets hope they all join up and fatten up, this is the tallest plant by the way that seemed to really stretch when switched to 12/12.
Its been six weeks now and i am not sure when they are really meant to fatten up but they are joining slowly. So this means they only have two weeks of nutes left and then the flush which i did read somewhere a good while back that you can flush with coco for a week rather than two, do they fatten up more in the flush? if so i may as well go the two weeks to get as much as i can.

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few pics as promised

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will try to get some more pics up shortly of sub colas

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jed

alrite mate the gardens fillin out-an under statement really!
im impressed-still mulling over whether to do a coco grow
seems a bit labour intensive to me-but they luk amazing mate so gotta try

seansplace

thanks mate its getting there slowly, should be starting the flush in 2 weeks, so 4 weeks and they will be done hopefully.
yes growing in coco is good mate, apart from the labour as you say, but if you got easy access and a bit of time it will be a doddle mate and you can get away with leaving them for the odd day without a feed as long as it doesn't dry out on you as it will cause you some issues. You can also reuse the coco a few times over with better results second and third time as it builds up some good micro something lol, but if you do use again i read to use cannazymme right through the flush also. Give it a shot see what you think, i will sure try soil one day to see the difference

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few more pics, dont know if they do much justice really, this is not the best plant, when i move them around i will try and get the others out and take some pics

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TheGodDegree

Sean, just to be clear, it is actually advised to use Cannazym during the flush to prevent certain problems with the buds, due to the possible poor health of the roots. And it is advised to use double the amount of Cannazym during that period if you intend to reuse the Coco or CoGr. Initially, I was skeptical about using Cannazym during the flush because I thought it would effect the flavor of the smoke or it would be harsh. But there is no difference in taste or smoothness. The main difference is in the quality of the buds at the end. Without the Cannazym in those last two weeks, something can happen to the buds (I think it's called soft rot or something) and they become wicked fluffy and almost start to flare out. They lose their density, essentially. Cannazym seems to prevent this well.

Also, I think you were referring to the sudden availability of micronutrients. By re-using Coco or CoGr, it can be better the second or third time around. When you break down those dead roots it apparently has a beneficial effect on the new root system. I have reused Coco and CoGr both and it is always better the second or third time, assuming it was buffered properly.

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