zpolishman

Hey I'm new to the forum and I have a few questions about starting a guerilla grow. I plan on first germinating and growing the plants in a cube and then a pot to a foot or two and finally transferring to the ground. What seed strains are beginner friendly, grow well in the north texas outdoors, and optionally, produce a high yield? I'll welcome suggestions for both indica and sativa, but I would really prefer a pure sativa or mostly sativa cross. Thanks for the help!

farmergiles

How early is the first frost where you are? Is there much rain in autumn?

I'd have thought you would be ok with most strains being quite far south, even pure sativas.

However, late finishing plants are more likely to be spotted by rippers or law, or struck down by mould so even if you could grow pure sats, something that finishes earlier may work out better for guerrilla growing..

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zpolishman

I'll definitely take what I can get and if pure sativas are a problem then I can grow something else. Could you give me any particular strains to start with? Texas climate is horrible, during the winter the temperature fluctuates from freezing one day, to mid 70's or 80's the next. As far as rain goes, we are just getting out of a big drought where we had very little rain. It's not uncommon for there to be no rain during the summer until late August. Last summer we had almost 100 days of summer over 100 degrees. Autumn can be rainy, or very dry. Texas climate is wack. One other thing, is growing next to a creek a good idea?

Suliman

next to a water source is a great idea, if its stealth. Hiking water out is no fun

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Galt

I've never had use for them except when transplanting trees, but there are water holding polymers available that might help lessen the water complications. Ask around to see who here has tried them. I'm sure somebody has.

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zpolishman

Thanks Galt I'll look into that. One more thing, I really need help picking an appropriate strain. I can get almost any seed but there are so many and quite costly with pretty similar descriptions so I don't want to make an expensive mistake. Any ideas? I would greatly appreciate any suggestions..

Galt

Sorry bro'... I'm not the guy to talk strains with. Farmergiles, Dandtheweedman, come immediately to mind. Actually, I see FG was here, so I'd start with what he's alreqady suggested and explore from there. Good luck whatever you choose.

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Pharm Girl

Of all your questions...this one is key!

How deep is the creek?...just wondering if the water level fluctuates...how fast the current is and the likes....water quality is also important...one way to determine water quality is by the plants/trees/vegetation that grows there...they will have a story to tell...soil ph is worthy of checking...personall y, i bring in my own soil recipe...have u got critters to deal with?...we've got organic critter deterrant recipes posted somewheres...

what seeds are u choosing from?...

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zpolishman

the creek is anywhere from a few inches to well over a foot. Maybe deeper in some places. As far as seeds I can get all kinds of kush, haze, and durban, kali mist, g13, trainwreck, white widow... just listing some of the more popular ones I saw. The biggest thing for me is beginner friendly. As someone totally new to the growing scene I know I'll mess up. I'd just prefer a strain that's a little more forgiving.

Suliman

Those moisture bead things are kinda gimicky, in my experience. Not very cheap eaither

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mothernature

I would seriously consider just using some good bag seed for my first crop. That way, any mess ups won't be as costly.

Nextly, stream banks are the first place thieves look, when looking for crops to steal. Doesn't make it a bad spot, just a riskier one.

Those moisture beads do work, but as Suli said, they are quite expensive.

If you are gonna buy seeds at this point, go with something that's tried and true. An older variety. I don't know what to recommend, as I would only grow indoors (I live in the city).

Good luck to ya!

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Galt

I'm not suggesting that they are appropriate for a budget grow, but I have used them when transplanting trees and ornamentals in the dead of summer with very good results - so I wouldn't necessarily consider them a "gimmick" unless you have had experience to that effect. If you end up in a manual watering scenario, every little bit helps.

Something else to consider about the stream-side location. While it's true that that is obviously where the most lush growth concentrates in any forest, and it would likely be easier to blend in from an airborne perspective, on the ground it enhances other potential problems. Most of the indigenous critters will find their way down to the water after dusk, so take note of any sign or game trails that you encounter. Nothing says eat me like a grower setting plants in the middle of the path that the animals take to get a drink every night. If you have the means, one of the available trail cameras might be a worthwhile investment. The fancier ones allow you to view streaming video day or night. I'm still amazed at the traffic that just my back yard gets after dark.

Also, I haven't perused all of the suggested varmint controls, but we have a serious deer raiding issue in our area, and they are persistent. I use everything from hair clippings from the local barber, to deodorant soap hung in old panty hose, to copious amounts of ground hot peppers scattered regularly, and the truth is, if the animals are hungry, they will eat. Watching them on camera is a real education.

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Pharm Girl

We speak the same language....deterran ts come dirt cheap! Many advantages to growing with easy access to water...believe you me. The reason I'm asking about the creek is because I see possibilities to McGyver an outdoor 'thing a ma jigger....'outdoor hydro.....don't quote me just quite yet....but the wheels are turning!!

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Galt

May have been there. done that, if I'm feelin' yer vibe. My only issue is the excess nutes that you end up pumpin' back into the stream. Aside from the ecological hypocrisy, there is also the issue of the stream pollutants creating a red flag for others to investigate further(obviously dependent upon the size of the grow, the stream size and flow, and the amount of nutrients being flushed relative to each other).

Just an example, and I'm not suggesting I know anything of the floral and fauna in the area in question, but as oxygen levels are depleted, like say from excess nitrogen or phosphorous in the water, certain species like members of the salmoninae family (trout), will diminish. Out East, these are typically supplanted by populations of Carp and white suckers that don't mind the befouled water as much and who can survive on a less diverse food source. I'm not suggesting that DEA is taking water samples and doing double duty as stream police, but it only takes one curious ecologist or trout fisherman to track back up stream. We had a Boy Scout Troop around here discover a big VOC polluter around here that way. Changes in the water's nutrient base will change the flora that will thrive, like certain algae's for example. This changes the available oxygen as well as effecting the varieties of insect larvae that will populate, and so on up the food chain it will go - and often quite rapidly.

As for the source water, I have built trout runs that used a simple series of upstream pipes that decreased in diameter as they flowed water from the stream, further down grade to lower elevations. The existing slope will obviously effect the viability of this approach, but it does allow for a much more stealthy build, a good distance from the water source if you have enough tubing. The black poly tubing used in the WalMart yard irrigation systems works great for this (cheap, light weight, readily available) and you can buy 250' to 1,000' rolls from many gardening and landscape supply dealers. Start with as large a pipe as you can reliably hide under some large rocks in the stream bed, bury the exit point well where the pipe leaves the stream, and keep the rest under ground for the remaining run and it's virtually undetectable.

The tell tale would be the discharge. Since there will be excess nutrients in the discharge solution, and of course more than normal moisture where ever it does run off, the difference between that area and other surrounding vegetation will be rather stark and fairly easily noticed from the air - depending on the over story.

One of the tools that they use now for spotting remote grows is software that allows them to let the computer interpolate vegetation growth and canopy changes from year to year. Anomalies are noted and a perspective list of potential grow sites to be further investigated can be generated. This is not what the software was developed for, but they have found it somewhat useful for their dastardly ends.

If you attempt to partially translocate any amount of stream flow, I would try to do so with the discharge signature in mind as well. Look for possibly an existing dry bed that emptied into what is still a waterway, and spread your discharge around there accordingly. Think of how it might appear from the air as vegetation again begins to take hold where there had previously been little of none. Creeping back up the bed from an existing water source would not look nearly as strange as a lush spot of forestation amongst acres that differ, especially if you run into a drought. Your shit becomes more noticeable every day. Not good.

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Pharm Girl

Commonly referred to as 'The Light in the Sky'...if I'm not mistaken...~
And when 'they come 'in...they make a whole lotta rukkas and contaminate everything forever!! If ya know what I mean...stealth is definetly the key...i've seen myself tie on small red balls to give the look of 'Sumac.

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Galt

I have a really good friend who is an amazing home brewer - truly nectar of the Gods kind'a stuff. Anyway he grows his own hops at his home and at another friend's vineyard. Both were spotted by one of the National Guard's new spy choppers and he was raided... at both locations (only a mile apart). It would appear that their high tech wizard gear doesn't actually include any brain cells, so the fact that hops are merely cousins to the evil weed was lost on the maroons.

BTW, the Feral mandate that funds military shit being used against us, is all part of that lovely HLS/Patriot Act ass fucking. The Feds pay for a pile of hi-tech spy choppers for the State Militias, but - they also get to say how they are used, allowing them to completely subvert the intentions of Posse Comitatus, and providing yet even greater resources for the DEA, since that is where these helicopters are principally dedicated. In other words, the Feral government has found a way to use our State Militia's against us along with all of the other torments that they make us pay for.

I haven't read up on it yet but I heard someone else suggest adding some sort of dye to the plant's water to help it blend in.

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Pharm Girl

wonder if they got the idea from the hydrangeas (sp?)..hmmmmm

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Galt

It works on ornamental fish and flowers, I don't know that it would be impossible, but it would be nice to be able to breed in a color gene that allowed it to blend in with the surrounding veg better. That bright verdant kind'a green is the only reason they find as much as they do (hence the Great Hop Bust - since those buds are about the same color). That's a curious thing. As much effort and attention as genetics has received over the years, I don't recall ever hearing a discussion about breeding in better self camouflage strain. Can you imagine...
How about dandelion genetics with a touch of nut sedge physiology (that shit is straight up impossible to kill). Oh wouldn't that just fuck their little drug war all up. Genetically modified weed with that evil fuck B/T character that they bred into the corn so that Round-Up wouldn't hurt it. Why have we done this already???

MJ plants filling the median strips of our Interstate Hwy. system from sea to shining sea. Maybe stash it in their hydro-seed mix that they spray all over the banks and open spaces for erosion control.
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