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Old 01-31-2015, 07:25 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Just looked at that goddamn picture again. Fuck this... I'm sellin' everything in the Spring, buyin' a new camper and movin' to BC.
Fishing in BC is sometimes harder than you might think. I like when the big fish surface and you can pet them.
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How big you want? You prefer a long St. Lawrence pike or a short fat mountain pike from Lake Placid area. I'll be fishing both locations in the next month.. I will have some walleye too, if them bones and heads will also work. Hopefully the border Nazis will allow you to cross back with them.


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Me, will need a week to prepare tradsie and pg ain't worried bout search at border, I have an excuse for every stick, stone and bone in my car.
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There's a 5 ft beast here in our river too..he's a legend though.. Haven't seen him around for awhile.. People usually throw him back.. I believe some cidiot caught him and must have kept him.

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Me, will need a week to prepare tradsie and pg ain't worried bout search at border, I have an excuse for every stick, stone and bone in my car.
Two guys that used to work for me had to wait in my truck while I tended some business Later, after I dropped them off, a city cop hassled me for drinking a root beer in front of a 7-11, said it looked like I was drinkin' a beer so he tapped on my window with his club, to which I responded something laid back like "what the fuck's you're problem Adolf!". Mind you, no key in the ignition and I'm not drunk or have even had anything to drink, but I don't give a fuck for assholes wrappin' on my glass with a stick. He takes offense, demands that I roll down window, I says fuck off, he jerks door open and says get out, I repeat fuck off. He and partner now "assist me in comlying" whilst I yell "help fag rape!" or something alongthose lines. They - being apparently more than a bit homophobic respond by trying to show me my truck's engine without opening the hood. Meanwhile folks are gathering and I'm doing my best to educate them about the Constitution, but they just keep slipping and banging my head into the truck 'cuz I won't follow their "lawful order" to shut up and just let them have their way with me. They don't ask but now search the truck. I'm all like "fuck you you ignorant pig fucks, etc.". In the middle of my ninth or tenth reminder that "I don't consent to ANY searches" mouth breeder #1 comes out'a the back seat (big ol' crew cab) with a piece of foil sayin' it smells of marijuana. Long story short, I get dropped on my face a couple ten twelve times and go to jail for the weekend 'cuz my boys had left a hash wrapper in the ash tray. Nothing there to test for the court, but that was the basis for their big bust. This was probably 25 years ago or a little more, but da wife was already wise to my big mouth so she calls my lawyer and so forth, but they still manage to keep me from seeing a magistrate 'til the following Monday just to prove they smoke cocks I guess. No moral except that is not how you decline a search, and never, ever get cocky thinkin' that you're completely sanitized... ya never know.

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I have a question? Not a greenhouse question but a question...

I have little space to grow a veggie garden and cannot damage the property so my solution is a portable garden. I want to use tupperwear bins.. The super large ones on wheels. I know how to set it all up.. Question is.. Do you think the plastic is damaging to the growing plant.. Like the chemicals from the plastic when it heats up in the sun can go into the growing plant through the root system?
Therefor going into human when eaten?

I have a huge full sun deck.. Going to grow a shit load.

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Lots has been written on plastic off-gassing and breaking down, and without getting into a blow by blow of each type I would stay away, particularly in a high heat situation. The article that you proffered is a fair generalization of the situation, but if you read between the lines its most salient point is that the FDA got scared enough to issue a warning. The FDA is controlled quite thoroughly by the people who make all of these wonderous chemical compounds, so for a warning to escape their whorish grasp I would suggest their findings are a fuck of a lot worse than they are letting on. Remember, these are the assholes that not long ago approved milk with Bovine Growth Hormone, they concur with the manufacturers' lobbyists that GMO's shouldn't be labeled - 'cuz it would needlessly get us worked up?, along with a host of other fucked up endocrine disruptors that are now becoming ubiquitous in major metropolitan water systems nation wide. The fucktards that approve the plastics for food contact are the same ones that have approved every drug that you see the lawyers advertising their class action law suits against, every ten minutes on TV. I equate it to their history of established "Acceptable Levels" that they've established for everything from radioactive isotopes to heavy metals. Every couple of years or so they quietly come back and say "oops, we fucked up". Truth is they don't actually test much of anything, they rely on what's ironically called the W.O.E. system, and that is a fucking joke!

W.O.E. stands for "Weight Of Evidence", and essentially it's a statistical analysis where the standard deviation is meaningless because the "Evidence" being considered is almost exclusively edited selections and ass fucked data that the manufacturers very helpfully provide. If you're a "scientist" working at a land grant university, your research is more than likely grant funded, so you and your grad students are pretty much devoted to doing the devils' work - meaning your money depends upon you coming to the correct conclusions... or else. A quick look at how far companies like Monsanto have gone to discredit, de-fund, and even fuck the tenure of folks that didn't play nice with their GMO scam is pretty frightening. They claim that their genetically mutant crap is "among the most studied products in history". What they don't say is that they outright deny access to their products for any kind of objective, third party, double blind types of inquiries that had always been the cornerstone of what we used to call science. Just as the practice of medicine has devolved into a ridiculous cycle of prescription writing to address a symptom, followed by more drugs to try and address the side effects of the first drugs, the name of the game is to keep selling product... at any cost, and at any harm. Recent decisions by the Supreme Court that limit the long term liability of these scoundrels has pretty much taken off the governor of their new product creation since it doesn't really matter if it's toxic, 'cuz they'll never bear the real cost of any problems, we will. A little common sense along with a quick look at who runs the FDA should help to clarify just what I mean. The system is rigged, and it ain't to help protect us. There are quarterly profits to consider above all else.

Here's a previous post where I was ranting about most of what's involved. Couple of graphics and article links that you might find helpful.
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Particular to what you want to do the problems is exacerbated by the high heat potential. Baking out in the hot sun all day is sure to give you plastic temps that rival what happens when you microzap food in plastic containers. Seems like bad mojo to me.

Although they are damned convenient, and they certainly are everywhere and in all things, the petrol-chem industry has everything riding on keeping us in the dark, and for the most part we are.

I may have mentioned this here before but I was accidentally, but seriously poisoned by a veritable cesspool of chemicals that I was unknowingly exposed to while consulting for a client who fabricated all sorts of exhibits and specialty casework. One of the most serious constituents were the chemicals and heavy metals that are used to stabilized and/or superplasticize some very common plastics. In my case I was exposed to "unacceptable levels" of cadmium, lead, mercury, chromium, and arsenic, along with a bunch of VOC's and other crap. The way that it happened was innocent enough, we used a lot of sheet goods that contained those elements to help the plastic remain rigid and resist UV damage, among other things. We would regularly grind, cut, sand, and otherwise abrade pallets of the stuff every week, right outside of my office door. This stuff was mainly PVC and various densities of PE (polyethylene)... the latter being the bulk of the plastics used in the storage container industry.

RubberMaid and others make a very subtle distinction in their claims of "No BPA" in their Food Storage containers that used to have it. The point being that where it has been removed from epoxy and polycarbonate products, it was done so if and when they were designed for food contact. One could and should infer from that that if it isn't claimed by them to be specifically suited for food contact, then there is a good chance that there's something in the plastic that they used that shouldn't be touching your food... or the plants that you intend to make food. They are a scurvy lot, and they do what they can to keep the dangers of their crap as hidden as possible, so I would urge that you always be suspicious and err on behalf of caution.

There is one last consideration with all of these petroleum by-products. Most of this crap is made up of fairly complex chains of hydrocarbons. The processes required to create these chains, as with the polyethylene used in the storage totes, is made either with a chlorinate or a chromium based catalyst. Oft times the quality control involved during the process can be responsible for bits of the catalyst carrying through in the product. Another processing danger can be seen with the lax practices of the Chinese in particular. One of the petrol-chem darlings is the herbicide 2-4,D, a component of Agent Orange that is now about the most widely used commercial herbicide on the planet. Well, if you don't maintain a very precise temperature control on the processing of that crap dioxin is formed, a very efficient carcinogen that I'm sure everyone is familiar with. These kinds of manufacturing realities are every day risks that are worsened by this globalized bullshit where everything gets made elsewhere by the lowest bidder and we buy it. I used to buy container loads of a special type of PE foam for use as a filter medium. Some was to spec, and some wasn't. Same plant, same formula, but if I used it as received for filtering water for example, some of it was potentially lethal and some completely benign. So at this end of the consumer pipeline you are completely dependent upon everything being done correctly in a Third World manufacturing environment that still mines coal using picks and shovels... and coincidentally kills over 6,000 of their own people doing it.

Point being, it's dicey even when the shit is made here. It's not as if the petroleum industry has a long and glorious history of acting responsibly, so there ya go. Take the easy/lazy way out and trust them... or not. I'd go with raw lumber wood boxes and either a metal screen or spun olefin (the heavy duty weed block geo-textile, which is also made using a metal catalysis process) across the bottom. By keeping it there you minimize the risk of shit migrating into your food chain. If you have to sit it on a patio and you're worried about soil leachates staining the concrete you can always cut a piece of PE film to lay down under the boxes first.

Not a chemist, just somebody who knows he feels a lot better now that he has eliminated as much of that crap as possible from his life, but to each his own.
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Yeah Galt is dead on about the wood box, if you make it out of pallets it'll be cheap and if you make it with bolts you'll be able to take it apart easily for the winter. You can also make a cold frame for it pretty easily. I'm sure you're crafty enough to make an 8'x2' box in an afternoon. Put some gravel at the bottom and soil on top you should be good.

One of the big issues with plastics is that they degrade into chemicals very similar to hormones. There's been cases where scientists studied ponds contaminated with plastics and all of the male fish and frogs were hermaphroditic.

All that said I grow stuff in plastic buckets every year, they are just so damn convenient. It might also be hard to figure out if your lumber has been treated with any chemicals.

Galt I may have asked you this before but what's you're take on thorium reactors?
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Yeah Galt is dead on about the wood box, if you make it out of pallets it'll be cheap and if you make it with bolts you'll be able to take it apart easily for the winter. You can also make a cold frame for it pretty easily. I'm sure you're crafty enough to make an 8'x2' box in an afternoon. Put some gravel at the bottom and soil on top you should be good.

One of the big issues with plastics is that they degrade into chemicals very similar to hormones. There's been cases where scientists studied ponds contaminated with plastics and all of the male fish and frogs were hermaphroditic.

All that said I grow stuff in plastic buckets every year, they are just so damn convenient. It might also be hard to figure out if your lumber has been treated with any chemicals.

Galt I may have asked you this before but what's you're take on thorium reactors?
Careful with recycling pallets these days. The white oak are the easiest to pick out before they grey, and for fuel they're tough to beat in terms of Btu's per ton, etc. Unfortunately our current globalized economy, and a penchant for chemical abuse, have rendered a great number of these useless in my world. The two worst problems are the flame retardant chemicals, and the pesticides. Overseas pallets are usually treated with some sort of petrol-chemical pesticide to assure us that the next bark boring beetle will never visit us. So far nature has won every round of that fight, but they keep trying and spraying anyway. The sprays BTW, are first cousins to the nerve gases that we have continued to develop since WW I, in spite of and in direct conflict with the many international treaties and agreements that have been signed. Lucky for us we're hypocrites I guess?

The flame retardants are all carcinogens, and are typically found on the domestic pallets. Some are visible and some are not, and I've not found a reliable way to tell so I just avoid them altogether now, which is a real shame since they are so prevalent. The import pallets are often made from swamp tree material that contains a lot of mineralization such as you might see in black locust nearer its root mass. This plays hell on cutting edges and dulls whatever touches it as though you dipped a running chain saw blade in dirt. Very, very, dense, naturally rot resistant woods usually, but again, before they got here they've usually been sprayed with shit that you don't want anywhere near your food or plants. These woods also usually contain tannins and leachates that can seriously effect some people's health, although there are numerous domestic species of which this can also be said (oak for example can and does irritate a lot of people's skin and or lungs if they are exposed to the fine dusts produced by modern power sanders). Old timers used planes, draw knives, rasps, and scrapers to smooth wood before the advent of disposable sand paper, but as always, I digress.

Cheapest alternative source of lumber for this sort of project is typically going to be a small band saw mill operator, or even some of the old circular saw mills. When lumber prices fall these small operators are usually caught sitting on wood that they may have had in their kilns, or simple over production, that they are often quite willing to part with at bargain prices. Kooky friend of ours built an entire 3/4 scale, Old West town from rough sawn board and batten yellow pine that he found at an over stocked mill for $50 a truck load, and I'm tellin' you he left each trip with the bumper of his one ton pick-up draggin', so there are other options.
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Your reference to the sex organ mutations reflects the same effect realized by the endocrine disruptors accumulating in our waterways from the flushing and excretion of left over modern day "time release buffered" pharmaceutical compounds. We are the most "legally" drugged up nation on the planet... and relative to the inverse of our spending on health care, the sickest for every dollar spent... go figure. Some of those plastics were found to produce an estrogen emulating compound. Of course we also now have GMO corn that was found to be producing, unintentionally mind you, it's very own low dose of tetracycline. Ask your doctor sometime what kind of hell a continual low dose of any antibiotic WILL have with your immune system, and the bugs that are constantly evolving to attack it. Score another one for Nature... it always wins the race. Gene stacking, slicing, and blasting will no doubt figure prominently in our epitaph.

Of course the REALLY great thing about the unintended corn mutation that unexplicably began to produce its own antibiotics is that we don't use corn in every single thing that we eat... yet. There's still about 30% of our processed food that doesn't have it. That's the 30% that uses GMO soy, but who's counting? We obviously can't since we're not allowed to have labels to clue us in... it might unnecessarily worry us... and then we'd need more anti-anxiety medication, so you'd think they'd get Big Pharma on board with this Right to kNOw GMO's battle.

Did I wander away from the original point again? Sorry... I sometimes go to the store in my boxers too for no reason other than no one tried to stop me.
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Re: the fluoride reactors, I'd certainly prefer them to our current approach, and I think this next part is what we may have discussed before and where we likely parted ways, 'cuz I'm not a nuclear power fan. Maybe once we grow up and learn how to act, or more importantly - develop a responsible, adult, plan for dealing with the waste stream before we create mountains of it. "Hey, how about the oceans... yeah that's cool" ... 'til Green Peace, et al, shows up. "Okay, so let's use the old salt mines... nobody will ever bother them there, and besides, plate tectonics are just another problem we haven't quite developed a pill for is all.... what are the odds we'll ever have a quake out there?"
The idiocy of the hubris convinced me that the special ed bus picks up and drops off at Oak Ridge daily. Drunk, high, and trippin' balls I'm pretty sure I could'a come up with a better idea than what they have.

The salts as a heat storage device is pretty promising though. I think if we'd devoted the trillions that our nukes have cost on something more constructive like developing Rankine cycles from solar thermal energy stored in salt, we wouldn't be watching the dumb fuck Republitards and the idiot fuck Demoncraps agreeing to crap like the Keystone pipeline and more extensive fracking, while they pat each other on the ass for being so bi-partisan. My post hole auger should ream those asses every time they utter that fucking bullshit phrase, but I digress. Always thought Yobo was a fuckwad maroon 'cuz of his convoluted Keynesian economic beliefs, but when he actually suggested that natural gas fracking was his energy plan, well all bets are off honey, the retarded children are definitely running the circus and we're all fucked.

Reflective parabolic solar concentrators, Fresnel lenses, and a host of similarly scary "death ray" type technologies have shown great promise, except for the age old hassle of that damnable sun always disappearing right when ya need it the most... at night when it gets cold. Funny how that works, huh? Anyway the biggest problem was always the efficient storage of enough thermal energy to be of any real value through the night. This is where the old/new technology of exploiting various salts' thermal characteristics has been a big help, and a lot of the research in that area seems to trace back to the thorium reactors. At 700-1,000 degrees C., or whatever crazy range they work, it shouldn't be too long before some smart college kid figures out a way to store that energy for continuous Rankine cycling even after several over cast days. The really cool part of that process is that it's a whole lot cheaper initially and long term than implementing PV arrays. Plus, where the PV panels have a somewhat limited useful lifetime, the reflective surfaces and storage mediums used should last many, many times longer, and with considerably less maintenance. Of course it's not as simple to weaponize, so naturally it receives no serious funding. It's simplicity is its Achilles heal in a consumerist bent society that focuses on either the next American Idol, or our next great invention for blowing people into tiny little pieces. How fucked are we?

Still and all, an interesting concept. Don't be put off by my generally negative attitudes about mainstream science and change. I'm still obsessing over how to refill my whale oil lamps.
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That's ok, according to some accounts whale oil is still used by NASA on the Hubble telescope. It's probably not true but it's fun. I used to spend a week on Nantucket every year and the amount of sperm oil candles and skrimshaw still there is astounding.

Honestly, from a rational ecological perspective we should allow, if not encourage Minke whale hunting. They're not the great whales most people think of but they've moved in to fill the niche once occupied by greys and sperms and rights. They outcompete the larger whales for food supplies and limit the rate at which they can repopulate. When you consider that baby great whales can put on 100 pounds a day, you need huge amounts of krill to bring populations back. The big problem with Japanese whaling as such is that it's massively subsidized.
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That's ok, according to some accounts whale oil is still used by NASA on the Hubble telescope. It's probably not true but it's fun. I used to spend a week on Nantucket every year and the amount of sperm oil candles and skrimshaw still there is astounding.

Honestly, from a rational ecological perspective we should allow, if not encourage Minke whale hunting. They're not the great whales most people think of but they've moved in to fill the niche once occupied by greys and sperms and rights. They outcompete the larger whales for food supplies and limit the rate at which they can repopulate. When you consider that baby great whales can put on 100 pounds a day, you need huge amounts of krill to bring populations back. The big problem with Japanese whaling as such is that it's massively subsidized.
... and incredibly, scarily, efficient. Their fleet moves through the ocean waters like a giant fucking vacuum cleaner.

They need to either change their diet or we need to re-evaluate that whole Treaty thing.

I'm turning into one of those "environmental whacko's" that Rush Dimbulb was always ranting about... the ones that see people as a problem and think the world would be better off without them. Well yeah... duh! I mean I wouldn't wanna get rid of everybody
. Just the Republicans... and Democrats... and Christians... and Jews...and Muslims... and socialists... and fascists... and communists. Yeah well pretty much everybody except the Buddhists and Hindus I suppose, but the jury's still out on the Hindu's.

Not sure about the Scientologists though. What exactly are they... other than shithouse rat nuts.
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I had actually read an article quite a while ago about scientists trying to design a symbol for danger that would be recognizable to nonhuman civilizations, the intention was to warn of radiation in the very salt mines you were talking about where we dump old reactor fuel. I don't know whether it's more scary or cool that we're trying to look out for whatever intelligent life ends up finding those mines after we wipe ourselves out.
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I had actually read an article quite a while ago about scientists trying to design a symbol for danger that would be recognizable to nonhuman civilizations, the intention was to warn of radiation in the very salt mines you were talking about where we dump old reactor fuel. I don't know whether it's more scary or cool that we're trying to look out for whatever intelligent life ends up finding those mines after we wipe ourselves out.
That's just fucking stupid!
So they would presumably possess the knowledge to allow intergalactic travel, but they might not realize that the gagillion curie's of decay emanating from the tunnel are a bad thing. Sounds like something George Bush and Yobama's baby would say.
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If I recall correctly the idea was that a 100 million years after humans ae extinct and the Earth manages to repair itself, another animal may well evolve sentience and need to be warned. The idea is kind of cool to me in a fatalistic kind of way, like yeah humans might all be gone but who's to say there won't be hyper intelligent mantis shrimp that build little spacesuit things filled with water and begin to explore land? We at least owe it to the plucky little fellers to let em know that our legacy of environmental destruction is still toxic.
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If I recall correctly the idea was that a 100 million years after humans ae extinct and the Earth manages to repair itself, another animal may well evolve sentience and need to be warned. The idea is kind of cool to me in a fatalistic kind of way, like yeah humans might all be gone but who's to say there won't be hyper intelligent mantis shrimp that build little spacesuit things filled with water and begin to explore land? We at least owe it to the plucky little fellers to let em know that our legacy of environmental destruction is still toxic.
Mantis shrimp FTW. That there is some seriously bad little fucker. I wanna gene blast one of them with my ant based super warrior to begin cloning my army of world domination.

Of course Monsanto probably already has a patent on that.
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